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On March 04 2019 19:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 19:37 Acrofales wrote:
And @iamp: I'm getting to you. I need a PC tho, so hold on. But I don't think you'll like that I haven't come to a conclusion on your alignment. You're null. Iamp looks pretty town and has a case out on you, you need to work your ass off to stay alive if you're town.
I'm at about max work on this thread that I plan to do this game, so if that isn't enough, I die. I flip green and you lynch the shit out of Oats, Mocsta and all the other opportunistic scumshits who hopped on my wagon with little/no reasoning.
Maybe you lynch Iamp too, because 90% of the reason he looks so town to people is because of his case on me and his push for it. Anyway, at a PC, so I'll post my thoughts on Iamp, and then I'll get to work writing the paper that I need to finish today.
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My defense, and the case on a completely null Lamperfection.
Pregame banter, but why are we not doing this?
On February 27 2019 10:18 iamperfection wrote:
we are lynching onegu day 1 for killing tl mafia just so everyone is aware.
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On March 04 2019 06:41 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:40 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:38 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 06:36 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. i dont think ive ever made a case on you what are you talking about lol Maybe not a case, but you always call me scum. what do you think of holyflare Probably town. give a real read on me filter dive me
Your wish is my command, my dear luminary.
The ugly:
On March 02 2019 12:45 iamperfection wrote:
the only thing i gathered of note from the first few pages is that holyflare had the same reaction as me to them.
which was:
On March 02 2019 11:28 Holyflare wrote:
Jesus christ what a boring couple of pages you guys came up with. Just circles.
But for some reason, when I have the same sentiment a few pages later (but a different response to it), my post is godawful terrible. For no apparent reason. The only real difference is that I make it clear I don't want to deal with that shit for the rest of the game, whereas HF just calls it boring (and reading between the lines: pointless).
You know what else is pointless? Namecalling:
+ Show Spoiler [petty shit] +On March 02 2019 14:56 iamperfection wrote:
i dont know about Meapork its possible i guess. On March 02 2019 16:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 15:56 Tictock wrote:On March 02 2019 14:57 iamperfection wrote:
like if he is mafia he did make a mess of those first few pages
Awkward Mafia is awkward? I see where you are coming from, but personally he is still my strongest scum read. What do you make of ppl like Jock, Grack, and Mr Wiggles? 2 havent really posted might as well ask me about someone who hasnt posted yet. Jockstrap had a post i didnt like
Lamp is antagonizing people by instead of abbreviating their names, just changing them to something vaguely derogatory for no apparent reason? I think I will keep calling him Lamp after all, because perfect he is not. Petty? Yes.
The bad:
The case on me is utter shit. And the way he pushes it doesn't feel like he's interested at all. Basically, it feels like he latched onto *someone* and didn't care who, made a case and then pushed it for the sake of pushing it. Not for the sake of actually finding a scummer and lynching mafia, but for the sake of gaining standing with town and pushing a lynch. The case is just really bad, so I'll go through it point by point to show you all how dumb you are for sheeping it. He is very explicitly cherrypicking posts, pulling them out of context and placing them in a bad light:
+ Show Spoiler [details] +On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote:
Acrofails is mafia.
Haha, namecalling again. You so funny. Nobody has ever called me that before. But usually when I actually fail. I have mentioned his first post but i will mention it again because it makes my case longer and you guys like cases longer so it is easier for you to sheep Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote:
I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie. Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum. 1) Mafia don't suddenly lose their sense of humor, and a scum me would be far less triggered by such a shitty start to the thread: town shitting up the thread would suit me just fine. And if it were my scummates, I'd happily bus them later. You yourself called it boring. What is it? Funny joke hijoles? Or boring? Also, what does my 50-page filter in Chrono trigger have to do with anything? I very very rarely post non-game content, including that 50-page filter you are accusing me of. I also haven't posted drivel. What crack are you smoking? This entire blurb is disingenuous nonsense. But hey, Lamp being bad wouldn't surprise me, I did have him eating out of my hand as a dark red mafioso in GoT mafia, so he has no idea how to read me.
He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.
It's D1. Nobody except scum is sure about alignments. So yes, I have soft reads. They change a lot as I make up my mind. And on top that, it's a big game, so I don't keep track of exactly what everybody said when. So when HF got in a fight with Oats and then wanted to lynch him, I seriously had forgotten all about that. I only remembered reading the interaction and finding it not terribly convincing on HF's side, despite agreeing on the end conclusion that Oats is scum, his reasons seemed silly. Anyway, I digress, back on point. I have mostly soft reads: On March 03 2019 06:30 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 03:06 Tictock wrote:On March 02 2019 19:54 rsoultin wrote:
Also, even though I'm using the mayor slot to demonstrate where my townreads are, it's pretty irrelevant. Regardless of who we pick they should just be held accountable for lynching who town wants to lynch -shrugs-
Or are you suggesting rayn that we just leave that to the mayor and not simply use it as a second lynch mechanic? 100% agree with this. Going off this logic Rsoul would be my vote for Mayor. Also, just enjoying this interaction between Rayn and Rsoul. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. Pretty sure that's me, and I don't give a shit kus you always seem to hate the way I interact with the game. I also strongly disagree about Rayn, I see him pushing his own thoughts and thinking and explaining why, nothing circular at all. HF seems to be posting to post and I don't like it, but it's not really a scum read right now. It's just him coasting. + Show Spoiler +On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:
You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.
And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree. Rsoul is starting to convince me... Idk. I don't particularly want to lynch Chez myself but I get where her read is coming from, and I am not opposed to a Chez lynch. #540Bloody's entry doesn't jive well with me, but mostly due to their reads being pretty opposite to my own. I can sorta see the logic in Bloody's reads, but it's very much in a scum-range of what to post to enter the game. Gut read leans scum, but I think deserves more to be on my watch list.
Speaking of my Watch List, I think it's something like this right now: Meap Grack Jock Mr. Wiggles Acro Bloddy HF (just not comfortable with him just floating around the game making no impact, yet being relatively present) Rels is also close to being on this list for "playing" but only making a "Hi" post then laughing at something rayn did. He only escapes this list because I know he has actively avoided playing D1 as town in recent games. It's the fact that he tried to play a little but didn't actually that almost has him on it. I don't agree with much of this, but I do like the post. 1) Rsoultin is posting easy reads and not actually doing much poking. I don't know how she'd go on anybody's town reads so far, and definitely nowhere near mayor material. 2) Cobbler posted some reads and something provocative, and gave time for them to answer. I liked his first post and will wait for more. The fact that he's aggressive seems fine. Not going to do anything meta with it, because the last time I played mafia is probably 4 years ago or so and while I remember playing with Cobbler I can't for the life of me remember his alignment. I do remember him being aggressive tho, but not abusive. 3) Everybody should be on your watch list. We are not even halfway though D1... but if I take it to mean a list of people who are posting suspiciously, the only ones I agree with is Grack. I don't understand the list anyway without justifications. Grack made a useless list post as first entry and then fucked off again. It seemed quite a lot like scum doing stuff to "seem active". And I remember Grack being quite a useful player, so I agree with you there. The rest? Haven't even seen a post by Wiggles, Meepack seems no worse than most people, and Jock I'd say more clueless town than anything else. Cobbler see above, and HF actually seems to be trying some things too. Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read. I wasn't reacting with reads on rsoultin, I was reacting to ticktock wanting her for mayor, which I thought was premature. I didn't have a strong read on rsoultin either way. So... you're right, I guess? I couldn't tell if rsoultin was mafia. Well done! I was mostly just disagreeing with ticktock wanting her for mayor. I didn't think her reads were particularly good at the time, and her pushes seemed tepid. This was a real read, it just wasn't a very decisive one, because I simply hadn't made up my mind. Cobbler's one (or two?) posts at the time seemed solidly townie, but there just wasn't enough content. How is this a problem?
He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.
Yeah, I've done some coaching. I'd rather coach people I think are town, but wrong than nail them to the cross as you'd apparently prefer? What is your problem with coaching? And as for that last line, I clearly do what to convince people of some things: I wanted people to look into Grack, as I thought he had a really bad thread presence at the time. I wanted Sentinel dead because of his dumbass shit. I think I made both those viewpoints very clear, yet you omit this completely from your "case". It just hangs together from cherrypicked posts that you then gave the worst possible interpretation to. Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 16:48 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 16:28 rsoultin wrote:On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar zzz this is why the sent push is pointless Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders. And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town. 36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy. And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit? Though props for not being that guy at least. People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO. Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information. Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above. Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1. This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is. No. You're wrong. not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for. I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro. Since when is low-hanging fruit bad? The fact that we agree that they are low-hanging fruit should make you ecstatic. These guys are playing a scummy game and we agree on it! Low-hanging fruit needs to be lynched immediately! Yet somehow agreeing that these guys looked like utter scummy trash was a bad thing? This doesn't make sense. Iamp is either really bad or I stumbled upon a nest of his scumbuddies. Why the hell would anybody want to go after high profile players D1 unless they had some really serious ironclad suspicions of their scumminess. None of them had, including Lamp himself. Since then, I'm getting a bit less optimistic on some. BH for instance can go DIAF as far as I'm concerned after doing nothing useful all weekend. But at the time, I explicitly excluded anybody with an excessively low postcount, because I don't want to lynch into an unknown. I want to lynch scum. I also excluded anybody whose filter I read and came with at least something of a townie vibe. And I didn't have time to justify this list, but figured filters would allow inquisitive townies to at least dive in and see if they agreed. I posted my reasoning when I got back and was asked for it.
Then his follow-up isn't interested in a discussion. It's only interested in getting sheep on the wagon. He's not trying to investigate whether I'm scum, but trying to crucify me on the cross:
rsoultin was sorta convinced but not completely, so iamp says:
On March 04 2019 04:04 iamperfection wrote:
i dont like your reaction to my case it struck me as fake
Note the lack of questioning: just instead shade.
On March 04 2019 04:05 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 04:04 Damdred wrote:
I like your case and it seems you believe it after all... is that a vote?
Aka: "don't talk. just hop on the wagon and don't think too hard about it".
And a bunch more of such posts. There is no drive for conversation. It's a great play to stop scumhunting and start piling on a wagon... over 30 hours before day ends. Why stop conversation and start whipping. It's not even majority vote, it's plurality lynch so you literally don't have to whip everybody into shape early out of risk of a no-lynch. Someone is gonna get dedded. So why stifle conversation and start the whipping so early, unless it's to literally control the conversation and stop the scumhunting.
The good:
These posts seem like instinctively right reactions from someone who wants to figure out people's alignments. It's the easiest type of play to fake as scum, but they come off as genuine, which does make it a lot harder as scum. They also mostly echo my own reactions when I read the posts in question for the first time:
+ Show Spoiler [Good posts] +On March 02 2019 14:41 iamperfection wrote:
ticktock posts seem real to me On March 04 2019 04:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 04:19 Damdred wrote:
I have no pew pew left in my gun right now.
Truthfully I am sort of playing on feels right now, perfections case feels right, in that it makes sense and it seems he believes it enough to push it.
I think his approach right now is townie at least. oh dude your scum arent you lol. On March 04 2019 05:48 iamperfection wrote:
feel free to vig blazinghand btw On March 04 2019 05:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:49 LightningStrike wrote:
I calmed down enough to just switching my mayor vote to iamp his case seems solid enough. Wont post for the rest of the day phase/night phase
Bye your so full of shit. You really raged from like the softest pressure ever?? bs On March 04 2019 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
cant tell if exo being ultra bad or ultra scum
The unanswered:
Couldn't find the context for this. Who are you talking about?
On March 03 2019 02:09 iamperfection wrote:
his posting is completely different than his last game where he was town.
Maybe we should try to make him cry again and see if he posts his role pm.
The conclusion:
I know, after all this you all really want me to come out and say Lamp is scum, but I don't feel at all confident that that is the case, and am definitely not pushing a Lamp lynch today. His case and the push is really bad. But it could be just that. A confused, bad, townie that thought he had caught a big fish. I thought Lamp was better than that, but going after my games with him showed me he really isn't that good. It's possible he got excited, started his "wagon of justice" prematurely based on an excessively bad, cherrypicked, case. Or it's possible he did so as scum with the sole purpose of having something to do. I'm not seeing why Palmar has a strong townread on him. But there's enough good in his filter to not have a strong scumread either. All I can say is I wish that, if Lamp is town, he was less bad.
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On March 04 2019 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp please tell these idiots what's right and what's wrong. I gotta work in like well.. now, and i wont be home until after deadline. Unfortunately my work is actual work and not one where you can play mafia like half of the time.
You have your vote parked on me, you derp.
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The case against Oatsmaster
Exhibit A: the lack of effort
Firstly, he has been utterly useless and all over the place with his reads. Without any justification he just randomly threw out names of 11 people in a "look at me, I'm playing the game" fashion in the span of about 10 minutes.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 03 2019 05:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 04:31 Alakaslam wrote:
##Mayor: HolyFlare
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet all not town On March 03 2019 05:55 Oatsmaster wrote:not town On March 03 2019 05:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote:
I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.
Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.
Thanks.
Acrofales, the townie. 10/10 mafIA On March 03 2019 05:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. MAFIA lifes tough hf On March 03 2019 06:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 05:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'd like to survive long enough to figure out my role so I'm going to disagree with the Sentinel Policy Lynch 3rd part=y
When asked to back it up, he didn't really do that, confused himself about why he had called people scum in the voting thread and just really couldn't justify calling anybody scum at all other than this:
On March 03 2019 06:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
mocsta posted one post and peaced ~~ possibly town,
iamp is putting in way too much effort to be town
tictock is reaching real far for their reads
Acro actually is a lawyer and lawyers should be lynched cause they are bad men
HF too serious to be town
Ace actually posted the worst idea ive ever seen what was that nonsense
Everthing there is nonsense. They are literally made up reasons. He's not putting any effort into the game.
Exhibit B: the flailing
This entire post is terrible:
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong. Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong. It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here. Show nested quote +It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads.
In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town? So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion. The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town. SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
He started off thinking HF was scum for "putting in too much effort"? Now is trying to back out while trying to rationalize how and why he is not convinced of his case, but it doesn't look sincere. Doesn't pass the smell test, and feels like he is just trying to get off HF's radar. Especially as he just drops HF entirely the moment HF drops him. If this is some big "logical inconsistency" that got him all riled up about HF's play, then why is he not following up? HF kept posting and playing in a similar manner, yet Oats never mentioned him again. What changed? Nothing in particular, except that HF went from thinking Oats was scum to voting alongside him:
On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me?
On March 04 2019 06:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. 3. I trust Palmer to find mafia a lot more than Holyflare. 4. Let's lynch the wagon Holyflare started. Ok Acro. Have my vote.
So HF is off his back and voting for me, so not worth the effort anymore. In fact, he doesn't even appear to notice HF is now voting alongside him.
Because one of the advantages of flinging "reads" everywhere is one of them is bound to stick. And that one was me. Why does Oats think I'm scum? I still don't really know. I'm not a lawyer. That's for damn sure.
All I got from him is a bunch of post-hoc rationalization about why some of the stuff other people (Palmar, Grack) said look townie are not townie. But he has not once made sense of why I'm scum. It's almost like all his reads are just picked at random and he'll run with whatever works.
He's not even trying to understand what's happening. Just trying to spin:
On March 04 2019 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 07:14 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 07:11 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 06:35 Acrofales wrote:On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? Yes, they are... you'll note that you weren't on there either. Although I'm not entirely sure anymore why not. Palmar isn't on there because I was (and am) voting for him for mayor. So no, I don't think he's scum BH falls in the Koshi, Mocsta, Pandain, Rels, Onegu list of people who hadn't posted at all, and thus I couldn't make my mind up either way. DarthFoley doesn't seem too scummy and had been posting. Sentinel was the only guy there who was mostly policy, and only partially because he was doing nothing of value. The rest were all there because I read their filter and found nothing much to believe they're town: Oats posted a craptastic bunch of "reads" and then went away again without adding anything to the thread except for a bunch of troll posts. Lets get this show on the road. Kill Oats for justiceFF wants to be mayor, but a town FF would know he stands no chance with HF, Palmar, Cobbler, Ace, rayn, BH and iamp. Yet that is literally the only thing he has posted about all thread. Other than that he's thrown some shade around without any conviction. WoS, ExO_. Entered, trolled, fucked off. Basically did nothing beyond phone in their presence, promise better and fuck off. sicklucker: I'll call him "Oats light". Wiggles: don't really want to lynch him anymore, but he was there in the WoS, ExO_ list. Other people aren't on there because I think they're probably town or there simply isn't enough information to figure it out yet. On March 04 2019 06:17 Acrofales wrote:
I'm here and caught up. There's a few posts in specific that I want to respond to, but in general:
1. Iamp is an idiot. He makes a case on me every game and it's always really bad. I will respond in more detail when I get to it, but his whole case is dumb. For starters, neither sicklucker nor oats are lurkers. Moreover, I quite obviously excluded the real lurkers. I want to kill the people who are popping into the thread, not contributing and fucking off. Not the people who weren't here at all. Iamp wanting to lynch me for dumb shit isn't new, and he's always wrong. He eats out of my hand when I'm scum and wants to lynch me when I'm town. And this is all I remember about him from 5 years ago. It's always fun. I'll decide later whether this was a scummy push, though. He hasn't done much of use other than his "case" on me, whcih he started before I had even gotten into this thread proper. Anyway, I don't think he is a good lynch target for D1. He usually starts to see the light eventually when he's town, and if he isn't, we can kill him tomorrow. Better stuff to do today.
2. No longer want to kill Sent. But the reason Palmar gets the votes is because he was clear and concise about his aims, whereas HF had many different goals. Now that sent claims he read his PM, and has actually started playing a bit, I don't think he's a good kill anymore. @Palmar: do you still plan on murdering sent?
3. I'm still quite happy with Palmar for mayor, his posts have been townie enough for me and I trust him to find scum a lot more than I do HF.
4. Lets lynch Oats. I'm on board with damdred, but he promised to contribute in 10 mins, so I'll give him until then. Oats has given no sign he has read the thread beyond looking for stuff to troll and throw out random names. Grackaroni has managed to look a bt more townie in his posts today. He pulled himself together and he is totally buddying me and I'm falling for it. Deal with it. On March 04 2019 06:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 06:19 rsoultin wrote:
Eew.
Acro: "Palmar wanting to lynch sent is more likely to find scum than HF who wants to lynch Oats who I want to lynch."
rofl >< Given that I want to lynch Oats, I don't want to vote HF to mayor kill him. It defeats the purpose. On March 04 2019 06:52 Acrofales wrote:
EBWOP: also, HF's case on Oats was based on some nonsense that made no sense. Not on the reasons that Oats is actually scummy (although it did start that way). It was about Oats changing his mind when Oats never changed his mind (just threw out an unsubstantiated read and never commented on it again). On March 03 2019 06:25 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 06:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 03 2019 06:20 Holyflare wrote:
Only oatmaster could simultaneously call the guy I scum read mafia and then think that I'm mafia in the space of a post. Funny guy. only hf can assume theres one mafia team in a game with 30 players No, it just makes it obvious you haven't read the thread carefully enough to piece together coherent reads and are just throwing whatever you can in the open in the hopes something sticks. Pretty scummy oats tactic. On March 03 2019 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
No, it's that. That's quite a common oats mafia play. Throw darts blindfolded and be controversial and hope something sticks. On March 03 2019 18:56 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote:
If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote:
Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. I don't think he's any different from his scum or town game that I remember. It seems to be a scum team strat to push me though because I don't think I've done anything underhanded or misguided this entire game. Just been honest and forthcoming yet have two people with somehow overwhelmingly strong scum reads on me. Seems majorly fabricated. Oats had x amount of scum reads based on people that voted other people for mayor (which I didn't!) yet have you heard anything in depth about anyone other than me? To me, Acro, it looks like you're really not paying attention at all. You should be happy that you have exactly the same points as I've already stated and should be happy to vote me as mayor. Instead you're not even interested in someone who shares the exact same read as you. You didn't even know the reasons I actually voted oats and you voted on the wagon scum found it opportune to be on. Not looking good for you I'm afraid. Really, not paying attention? In a 65 page day 1 i was mostly afk for? You're obviously right there. nice boiling down his points into a singular answer that actually confirms what hes saying Acro
Indeed. I was agreeing with him. I wasn't paying close attention. Yet somehow me agreeing with HF about my own playstyle is bad. Scummy? I dunno. But definitely worth throwing shade at in a drive-by sniping.
Oats just doesn't engage. He takes potshots as if they are gotchas, because his mind is already made up: as long as a townie gets lynched it's a great D1. And right now, I'm the most likely to be lynched, so non-committal snipes on me is the way to go.
There isn't much more in his filter. He enters the conversation and leaves before getting anything done. Asks pointless questions, and generally just floats around the surface looking "busy" without putting any effort at all into the game. Most notably not into his mafia cases against HF or me (the only two he has followed up on beyond a list post).
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On March 04 2019 22:11 Palmar wrote:
I'm also interested in people who do not want to lynch Conversion and why.
Two reasons:
I don't think a scumversion would be bold enough to come into the thread and be the second guy to claim mafia. But I don't really know him and I did find it a shitty entrance to the thread. But useless townies being bad is not scum. It just seems too brazen for scum. I don't know conversion and maybe he does play this kind of game as scum where he drops in and claims scum, but it seems like he is drawing attention for no reason except to be an idiot. Which is, unfortunately, far more likely for town.
Being excessively lazy just seems to be his thing:
On March 03 2019 23:52 Conversion wrote:
someone xplain to me where mayors get a vig lynch basically? can’t find the info
Regardless of town or scum, this is just being lazy. It is 2 clicks to open the OP and click on "Day 1" (okay, 3, because it's spoilered), where you can read all about the mayor election. Instead, he wants someone else to do it for him. That makes the post you tripped over far less telling. He's just being lazy, again.
He is completely useless and might be scum. But I don't think he's a good lynch today.
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On March 04 2019 23:21 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 23:20 Vivax wrote:
To me it just looks like you're beating around the bush with a claim up your sleeve.
Claim it and be done with it. wut. I'm literally VT in my role PM why would you want to lynch me
Right. Then tell us why you could find the time to ask other people whether MZ had responded to you, but didn't bother clicking his filter, which probably takes less time, to find the answer to this question you found urgent enough to post about.
Or, in other words, explain why Palmar's case is wrong. You have a few hours. Also, do some scumhunting.
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On March 04 2019 23:29 iamperfection wrote:
Who are the scum on your wagon acro has to be one or two at least no?
Oats, duh.
Not a big fan of mocsta, damdred or rayn either, and FF is meh. In fact, you are in general not in good company, because it is literally you, Tumblewood (haven't filtered enough to have an opinion on, but didn't find much worth commenting on last time I looked) and a bunch of scummy fucks right now. If we are to judge one by the company he keeps, you're in real trouble.
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On March 04 2019 23:37 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On March 04 2019 23:29 iamperfection wrote:
Who are the scum on your wagon acro has to be one or two at least no? Oats, duh. Not a big fan of mocsta, damdred or rayn either, and FF is meh. In fact, you are in general not in good company, because it is literally you, Tumblewood (haven't filtered enough to have an opinion on, but didn't find much worth commenting on last time I looked) and a bunch of scummy fucks right now. If we are to judge one by the company he keeps, you're in real trouble. So the whole wagon is basically scum. are you even trying to think?
Not scum. Just scummy. It's ok. We can only lynch one person today, and that person probably isn't even on my wagon, because nobody wants to lynch Oats 
Anyway, you're right. But I don't know how you think that makes Oats look better. He has been taking potshots at me all day in the thread, but hasn't put his vote where his mouth is. Because people actually look at the vote switching later in the game.
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On March 04 2019 23:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 23:44 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2019 23:41 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2019 23:28 Vivax wrote:
If you're town here's what you're going to do:
You accept your swift merciful death and thank us for relieving you from your duties in a busy week irl.
You try to find oddities in the peeps pushing for your lynch and/or summarize for us why MZ should be the next lynch, cause that seems to be your only scumread atm.
I'll honor your contributions, take them into consideration and if found worthy carry on your will throughout the game. Very town. I also always say these things when I am town and convinced. Cool stuff. Koshi how do you feel about rolling town? Very good thank you for asking. Being mafia is always a burden on my life. I eat, sleep and live less happy when I am still alive in a game as mafia. But now I am happy and I can do my thing. Life is good. Side story. I had soccer yesterday and I went to the MacDo drive in after with gf and asked for a cheeseburger, paid the 1.5 euro for the cheeseburger, but instead got a double cheeseburger. And I told my gf that this was the sign of a good week. And today I rolled town. Coincidence? I think not.
I think we should lynch you because you think McD cheeseburgers are worth eating. So much so that you're happy when you get a double cheeseburger for free.
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On March 05 2019 00:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Palmar gonna get mayor lynched  For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever. Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic? I think he's mafia. I also think that's exactly the reason his mayoral wagon gained any traction whatsoever. Why would I not want to lynch my mafia read and give the most information to the game possible? Before I said anything he hadn't even had a real scum read.
Don't be an idiot.
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On March 05 2019 01:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 01:46 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2019 01:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Managed to skim the thread before work. I like the Conversion case better than Acro and Oats right now for a D1 lynch. Missed the asking for permission angle the first time through, but even the recent stuff is weirdly fixated on MZ. Tunnel tunnel tunnel
No one else seems to give a crap about Tubesock. I'd be happier if people came out and argued I'm wrong for whatever reason, but instead Tube's being ignored by my town reads.
Will try to catch you again over lunch if possible, but otherwise won't be active until after lynch Why are you voting for a HF mayor? On March 04 2019 02:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
HF came up with the idea first, but I'm not sure whether I trust HF more to follow through compared to Palmar, especially if HF starts coming up with more cases. Might be the case that they deviate at the last minute and cause a bunch of chaos. In that sense, I like Palmar for mayor because he's colder. I've got a decent town read on HF and we're not policy lynching Sent
So you want HF to shank Palmar? So far that is his only plan on what to do as mayor...
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Vote me for mayor. I'll shank Blazinghand.
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I might secretly shank oats if we don't lynch him. But I'm running on the campaign that I'll shank blazinghand.
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On March 05 2019 02:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 18:24 Acrofales wrote:Regarding iamp and my history. I guess I'm misremembering things. Could've sworn we played a game together where I was town and he just what on me all D1 until he came down and we win. Turns out we never played a town game together. The only game in the database that seems even remotely similar is DotA mafia, but maybe I was just oversensitive to shade being thrown at me as a survivor? Chrono Trigger doesn't count. Was our first game together, and I still think it is the best game I ever played. I was given a 3rd party town aligned role and had to deal with a fake cop check all game long. Claim my entire role despite it being very much against my win on to do so and still won. Anyway, I got read as town by the entire town on D1, including Iamp. GoT mafia I was scum and had him eating out of the palm of my hand all game. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liarsDotA mafia I was a survivor, but mostly just played along with town. Iamp as a townie threw shade my way all through D1, although he did eventually calm down and waffled on my alignment a bit. https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/514644-dota-2-mafiaThis doesn't change that he's wrong now as I'm neither scum not third party this game. I'm a townie townie. Can you actually respond to what he’s said about you other than saying that he’s right and you are wrong?
Keep reading, scumface.
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On March 05 2019 02:25 Tictock wrote:Sorry guys, haven’t had any time. Went out for drinks with a girl I work with last night and am working up to deadline today. My plan to sheep Rsoul is bunk kus she isn’t voting. So I think I am leaving my mayor vote with Palmar kus supposedly he and HF have the same goal and I have no confidence in HF being town yet, plus my other issues with him. Will consolidate on Acro as he seemed like a decent Lynch from what I have read.
Boy, are you gonna be sad when I flip green.
Although this post is superduper scummy, so maybe you'll be high fiving your buddies.
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On March 05 2019 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ehh I’m not gonna respond to acros case because it’s not gonna convince anyone who’s currently voting me
You could try to actually play the game, instead of not giving a shit?
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On March 05 2019 02:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 02:43 Acrofales wrote:On March 05 2019 02:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ehh I’m not gonna respond to acros case because it’s not gonna convince anyone who’s currently voting me You could try to actually play the game, instead of not giving a shit? For the purposes of this conversation, I’m gonna assume that you are town because otherwise this doesn’t work. What do you want to see that would convince you that I’m not mafia? I’m not gonna change my style of play and it’s just your opinion that I’m playing the game the “wrong way” when one of my scumreads is the leading lynch yeah? I really think grack also has an amazing chance of being scum, also at some point of time I’m gonna look back at my mayor list thing and see who’s still mafia
Okay... why does grack look like scum to you? Because we literally cannot agree on a single thing here. As for "one of your scumreads being the leading lynch"... you had a 1 in 3 chance on that one, didn't you? But if you're town then:
1. Your leading scumread is town, and
2. Thinks you are scum.
So lets give this a try. Why is Grack scum?
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On March 05 2019 03:00 Trfel wrote:Was making a list post but I don't like Fecalfeast, thoughts? FecalFeast - Perfect example of being present and being suspicious of people while not actually pushing anything. This post in particular. But throughout his play, being suspicious of general thread suspects without actually showing investment in that, all he cares about doing is asking to be mayor despite his only mayoral vote being himself. ##unvote Oatsmaster (pressure vote) ##vote Fecalfeast
What is it with people reappearing in the thread after being absent for 24h or so and appearing completely clueless to anything that happened since their disappearance. There's no way trfel has read the thread. Surely this case was predetermined to be his reentry into the thread. Like.. WTF?
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On March 05 2019 03:04 Alakaslam wrote:
ALL ABOARD THE FECALFEAST TRAIN
LETS SELF FULFILL LETS GO LETS GO
Why are you sheeping trfel of all people? This reeks.
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On March 04 2019 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 00:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 00:10 Vivax wrote:
HF are you jealous of Palmar or something. Let him be the mayor, you should know yourself enough to know that you act upon the weirdest impulses at EoDs. Not jealous, no. I see the same guy advocating the same lynch as me yet people jumping on his bandwagon and citing that the reason they're doing it is that they want sentinel mayor lynched like it's some revelation that only Palmar has brought to the thread. That's suspicious. In the process of catching up now, Palmar's policy lynch on Sentinel was simply a lot more noticeable/forceful than yours.
On March 04 2019 05:40 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. Multiple people, myself included, have called acro out on going for low-content posters and your case hinges upon it. Does that affect your read at all? Nobody else that I recall was attacking Acro for going after low content posters while only pushing people for not posting, and also I dislike the post because I think it's an accusation disguised as a question rather than other people who have just called Acro shit. Though my process for choosing which filters to read came from which filters I felt were mid-sized and blendy, and I'm probably coming to yours pretty soon too to be honest.
On March 04 2019 05:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Also I think Tumblewood is mafia.
It's hard for me to explain but when he plays as town he has controversial opinions and he almost always sticks his foot in his mouth. I know some people like him for his aggressive early post against MZ but I remember when I played mafia with him he entered the thread in the same way, and it gave me bad vibes that he didn't have any posts early on that weren't serious like that.
Also I disliked the list post he made.
On March 04 2019 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 09:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2019 08:25 darthfoley wrote:Interested on MeapZiph's take on iamp after the last 30 pages. @Meap are you still seeing red? On March 03 2019 16:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 03 2019 15:50 Chezinu wrote:On March 03 2019 15:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 03 2019 15:35 Chezinu wrote:On March 03 2019 15:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 03 2019 15:14 Chezinu wrote:On March 03 2019 07:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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I don't understand why you don't post now. You're very obviously reading along with the thread. Meapak_Ziphh!!!! COLOR ME THIS!!! WHAT COLOR AM I?!??!??! + Show Spoiler +After your response, I am going to unleash analysis based on your response... so type your words wisely.. or speech to text your words wisely if that's how you rolls... or role... Brown Chez, always brown. A wise choice. Well you see. I didn't quite like your coloring skills earlier. You paint my greens and blues red!!! If you said I was red, then you would explain your coloring skills to assume I'm wrong on my reads.. If you went green, then you would insult my own coloring skills. With brown, you have passed. Ahh Chez, I may not be as active as I once was but I learned many years ago not to paint you red or green. You are brown and embody it every game. I'm saddened to know that we disagree on the colors of others though. I feel comfortable with some of what I've colored but others I am not so sure of. Who in particular do you you think I've gotten wrong so far? The iamp and HF. Thought you were dissing me It's gonna be hard to get me to budge on iamp, his level of effort while still being semi active in the thread just smells like someone who is trying to active lurk his way into escaping attention. He's a solid red for me right now. I have HF as green, mostly because I thought the way he came after me during the whole conversion discussion was from a townie mindset. And he brought up some good points about Oats which I hadn't fully considered until he mentioned it. Do you color him red? Not as strongly as I was earlier, I just finished reading everyone's filter which took me a solid 6ish hours so I'm going to take a quick break and clear my head. In the mean time y'all can feel free to check out my notes I created. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JaeEcpko74-Vdm8iN3r1TWsKBW8HITOXUhutGH3bSY8/edit?usp=sharing How you interpret the information there is up to you but I'm just giving out the raw data. Later tonight I'll compile some thoughts based off of that but I'm kinda burnt out now  The one thing I know for sure is that I need someone to vigi the shit out of Blazinghand and possibly Pandain as well. That's pretty cool. I want to update my colorings + Show Spoiler +
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Lightningstrike
Oatsmaster
Jockmcplop
Vivax
Rsoultin
Iamperfection
Scum lean
TW
TS
Rayn - I changed my mind about Rayn. He had good presence at the start of the game but I don't like what he's been pushing recently and HF legitimately has a good point when he says that Rayn has been talking through people.
BH - for not playing but avoiding doing anything too attention grabby so far like random lynch.
If you only read the first page of Grack's filter it's pretty easy to come away thinking he's shit scum not trying to understand the game. But the second page is full of stuff like this. He's showing he's thinking along with the game and reading. He then stopped again, and intermittent behaviour when starting to come under suspicion into lurking under the radar is pretty scummy, but there are better targets.
That said, Oats making an actual case against Grack instead of telling me to fuck off was unexpected. I need people who have played with Oats more to coach me here, as I really don't want to dig into his meta, but does a scum Oats listen to his strongest scumread? Or does he just tell him to go fuck himself? I really like the very short little interaction Oats and I had.
I'm open to lynching trfel instead.
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