EPTIt would have been nice to go out on a town victory but thats the way the cookie crumbled.
This game reminded me of the joys to play mafia (the excitement and fluidity of Day1) , and the hatred! (the rest of the game).
If this is it, I'm grateful I got to be a part of it all across 20-30 games in that amazing TL Database/compendium - Again, shout out to all those involved in making that happen. Incredible really. I won't be remembered as a particularly good player as town or scum, but I put effort in, found my own enjoyment and thats enough for me.
(1) Thanks for Kita and Dandel for hosting. Its never easy in a small one, and a mountain of last-second work in a big one like this. Great flavour, interesting setup and if this is what TL goes out on - we can all be happy.
Also thanks for the post-game write up!
(2) Thanks to all the players that signed up. It was really nice to get a chance to play with members of the old guard, such so, it seems playing mafia is a bit like riding a bike. Yes, the fundamental meta of TL has evolved, but how you go about scum hunting and town blending is largely the same.
(3) It would have been really cool if the player count had increased with some other "classic" vets like GMMarshall and Ver, or even Kita if there was an opportunity for AI hosting
But the surprise packet to me was Marvellosity joining. That was a truly unexpected pleasure As for the game, scum did what the town let them do - and I wont fault them for that. After all, they are still reading the thread non-stop and truly, a certain level of patience can be required to not do something stupid in boredom.
I still vouch Sentinel as the catalyst for the direction this game took.
(a) Created massive distraction from scum team
(b) Allowed scum team to town claim on the basis of lynching traitor
(c) Is the trigger for the HF/Palmar wars
(d) Unintentionally, this bled into HF/BH wars
(e) Unintentionally, that bled into Rayn/Acro wars
In retrospect I wish I dug my heels deeper - especially at LYLO and having got some traction on Pandain.
I find it hard to find motivation to start wagons because of how susceptible this site is to shenanigans. It feels all that effort seem pointless and the timezone difference doesnt help with having players to interact/develop reads with, and the perviously mentioned shenanigans.
The video thing gives me confidence in the future though to flesh out reads on my own. I think the takeaway from that video was a scum read on Pandain + Rels, and I believe a light scum read on Jock. I think I walked away from Oats with some questions, but not a hard read. So perhaps this is something I should do for myself more often..
Its terrible but that video was the first time all game I went filter diving for something specific. Sigh.
A couple replies to post-game comments
On March 18 2019 07:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I don't even feel like there was that much "spam" as characterized by off topic posting. Just a lot of active people trying to solve the game.
Maybe in Acro filter, but for the majority a lot is "meh" and battles of emotion/ego.I don't even feel like there was that much "spam" as characterized by off topic posting. Just a lot of active people trying to solve the game.
Thats the challenge of a mayor game with 2 candidates that decapitate each other. It sets up the town in such an emotional swing state: pick a side, its you vs me. No We. And unfortunately the game remained in that state.
On March 18 2019 00:19 Jockmcplop wrote:
gg all!
Thanks hosts + everyone else also for welcoming me.
I know I faded towards the end (I didn't know how much effort was going to be required when i signed up lol) but i really enjoyed it and I'll be back for more if more happens
You did well. The acro pickup on your activity on other threads though was illuminating! You gotta watch for that in the future.gg all!
Thanks hosts + everyone else also for welcoming me.
I know I faded towards the end (I didn't know how much effort was going to be required when i signed up lol) but i really enjoyed it and I'll be back for more if more happens
On March 18 2019 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this game cannot be played if ~20 townies dont play. well, "gg"
I get what you are saying but I would hazard a guess that this % is consistent with smaller games. The last game on this forum you were mafia and lurked as well, literally only coming into respond to call outs. Its a fault of town, not the scum team.this game cannot be played if ~20 townies dont play. well, "gg"
What I will agree with though is the quantity of non-votes this game
THAT IS BULLSHIT
On March 18 2019 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
pandain - adam - pandain was disgusting, really, just modkill if one doesnt want to play kita...
I accept its highly unusual, but I am also OK with this. Kita has done similar actions in town favour before, so its not like it was a decision made in bias; nor was a slot replaced with a 3rd player. I think the non-voters is a bigger issue.pandain - adam - pandain was disgusting, really, just modkill if one doesnt want to play kita...
On March 18 2019 00:52 Vivax wrote:
Maybe one day I'll understand what made 13 townies vote HF to lynch Palmar. That wasn't just bad, it was sad.
I did it for last game shits n giggles. High risk, High reward play. Maybe one day I'll understand what made 13 townies vote HF to lynch Palmar. That wasn't just bad, it was sad.
I didnt think it would be a component for sealing towns fate though.
I think the only scum actively trying to get HF lynched for the palmar thing was BC?
So it was town who imploded.
On March 18 2019 00:53 Onegu wrote:
NO my survivor claim was fine. I was going to be lynched that day for sure. like 100% if I didn't claim it. The bad part about it was I couldnt really influence the lynches that much because no one would listen to a survivor.
Thats the problem. You became dead man walking with the claim and it would have been better off if you were lynched.NO my survivor claim was fine. I was going to be lynched that day for sure. like 100% if I didn't claim it. The bad part about it was I couldnt really influence the lynches that much because no one would listen to a survivor.
That claim created another distraction in a closed setup that took away from finding scum = town could not get closure and town could not trust you to vote with them since you are "survivor" with either team. It was a terrible claim dude - and thats coming from me.
After the claim, you were always going to be a LYLO question mark, and if somehow the game came to final 3, we woulda been fucked regardless.
On March 18 2019 01:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think town was too quick to kill active voices.
Yep.. We all seem to be scared of active scum victory which happens like once a year or whatever. Maybe its the projected embarrassment of losing to active scum that makes town literally, self-sabotage?I think town was too quick to kill active voices.
On March 18 2019 01:55 Acrofales wrote:
Yeah, sorry town. My scumreads were way off.
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Lets face it, we were never even close to lynching any scum other than Sentinel this game. It was just town fighting with town.
Rayn calls me terrible, but pretty much the only thing he did was tunnel me and then die.
Yeah, its a tough one. I felt you were too adamant in the strength of your reads personally, especially given how everything flipped. But I get it. Paranoia, every cycle the town circle keeps disappearing. Mafia did do good NK thats for sure. Yeah, sorry town. My scumreads were way off.
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Lets face it, we were never even close to lynching any scum other than Sentinel this game. It was just town fighting with town.
Rayn calls me terrible, but pretty much the only thing he did was tunnel me and then die.
Yep, town state was too emotional - but this included yourself
And I do agree on Rayn. Thats what I recall him doing. I'm pretty sure before he was NK'd he said he would just vote you next cycle and peace out.
On March 18 2019 02:53 darthfoley wrote:
but TW had a great shot on BC.
Also must say that I thoroughly enjoyed Mocsta's video. He was really starting to get the game, albeit a bit too late. Really cool dude!
Yeah TW shot was good.but TW had a great shot on BC.
Also must say that I thoroughly enjoyed Mocsta's video. He was really starting to get the game, albeit a bit too late. Really cool dude!
Thanks for the feedback - appreciate it.
On March 18 2019 03:22 Ace wrote:
I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game.
yeah....I still don't understand why anyone would have wanted to lynch BH there. Think that was the worst part of the game.
