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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:02 GMT
#1379
On March 04 2019 06:01 Damdred wrote:
And I sont think there is anything in the thread to indicate ls is scum atm.


https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=62#1232
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:02 GMT
#1382
Please give thoughts + counterarguments to the LS part of that post Damdy
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:13 GMT
#1395
On March 04 2019 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:
I have no idea what the mayor vote count looks like atm but I'm in favor of Palmar. I think Palmar has a better chance of lynching scum than thread at the moment.

Not while he's still set on me he doesn't
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:28 GMT
#1411
On March 04 2019 06:25 iamperfection wrote:
i dont think ive even played with a town acro ever.

That puts into question your judgment on Acro being scum or not though
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:29 GMT
#1412
Also Acro claims otherwise
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:36 GMT
#1421
On March 04 2019 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On March 04 2019 06:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:25 iamperfection wrote:
i dont think ive even played with a town acro ever.

That puts into question your judgment on Acro being scum or not though

even though all the reasons he has posted for acro being scum are ingame and not meta?

Between this
This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times.


and repeating how "Acro is a good player" really weakens that part of the argument.

My thoughts on Acro haven't changed since this post:

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On March 04 2019 04:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
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On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote:
Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.


I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.


He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.

Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.


It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.

He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.

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On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:48 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.

Summary of the night:

##mayor Palmar


zzz

this is why the sent push is pointless

Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.

And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.


36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.

And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?

Though props for not being that guy at least.


People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.

Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.

Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.

Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.





This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.


Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread


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On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote:
Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list:
2) Fecalfeast
8) Oatsmaster
9) WaveofShadow
11) sicklucker
17) ExO_
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni28) Trfel
30) Mr. Wiggles


not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.

I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.

I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.

Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 03 2019 21:38 GMT
#1423
EBWOP: Fixing quote tags

On March 04 2019 06:32 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On March 04 2019 06:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 06:25 iamperfection wrote:
i dont think ive even played with a town acro ever.

That puts into question your judgment on Acro being scum or not though

even though all the reasons he has posted for acro being scum are ingame and not meta?

Between this
This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times.


and repeating how "Acro is a good player" really weakens that part of the argument.

My thoughts on Acro haven't changed since this post:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 04:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 03:56 iamperfection wrote:
Playing thread cop when announcing that your going to be away is illogical especially for someone like acro. This is a person that has had a 50 page filter before and he was also full of shit he has come back to the thread to post drivel several times. It also shows he isn't reading the thread correctly because he is scum. Thoses " claims" were clearly jokes and acro cant understand that because he knows who is scum.


I agree with this if only because he's never brought it up again regardless of whether or not people were lying.


He is also making reads but they aren't really reads.

Does he think rsoultin is mafia i dont know can you tell? i certainly cant he is just showing shade without taking any real stance. Mafia hate making real reads because its hard when you have to "make them up" . Same think with cobbler he makes a somewhat read but its nothing if you really read.


It's oblique but yes it looks like a mafia read at least to me. My question to you is - I agree with his cobbler read. What would your read be? Because obviously it's not that and I want to hear your opinion.

He then goes into coaching and then makes a scum read but has to add some nonsense he dosent really want to convince anyone to do anything really.

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On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:48 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:32 Acrofales wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote:
K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.

Summary of the night:

##mayor Palmar


zzz

this is why the sent push is pointless

Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.

And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.


36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.

And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?

Though props for not being that guy at least.


People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.

Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.

Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.

Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.





This post is ultra scummy. His stance on palmar reeks of having extra information one way or another. Palmar saying he is going to just policy lynch and fuck off should be called out by acro but instead he takes a wait and see approach because he dosent really care how it turns out. Acro is good player and he should be shitting on palamr for saying he is going to fuck off. Instead he says we will figure it out but dosent really suggest how to do it. Shouldnt he be puhing palmar now? why wait. he dosent really want to figure out palmars alignment because he already knows what it is.


Acro is the one who went sailing right? How do you push another player for fucking off from the thread when you yourself are planning to fuck off from the thread


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On March 03 2019 17:52 Acrofales wrote:
Going out again til late. Let's lynch Track. If not him, at least someone in this list:
2) Fecalfeast
8) Oatsmaster
9) WaveofShadow
11) sicklucker
17) ExO_
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni28) Trfel
30) Mr. Wiggles


not really pushing anything and has several other posts where he attacks low hanging fruit just to feign activity. Acro is mafia and that is who i will vote for.

I want all of you to comment on my case and vote acro.

I didn't look too closely at this list because Acro was the 21st player I looked at (out of 21) but I agree that some of his picks are suss. Specifically having Exo, SL, me and Oats all in one. Any one or two of those put together makes sense but all 4 together look like easy picks.

Going to have to revise my read to be more read but I can't call him scum yet until I look into him more
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 15:14 GMT
#1871
On March 04 2019 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 04 2019 18:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Stop talking about mod stuff HF i hate that


What are you talking about?

He either copied a pm from the host or forged one:

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On March 04 2019 03:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:48 Holyflare wrote:
Yeah, but Sentinel what does YOUR role pm say?

On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw



Yeah but YOURS.

On March 04 2019 03:45 kitaman27 wrote:
You're VT btw


I responded to your joke with a joke.

On March 04 2019 18:19 Palmar wrote:
I think my wagon (and iamp's to a lesser extent) is a much safer bet for mafia. I'm the conventional choice, the easy choice to make. I'm playing pretty townie, I'm a well known name in all eras of TL Mafia, I have a clear objective etc. I think mafia is less likely to be contrarian like that.


I made this argument first btw.

On March 04 2019 18:58 Palmar wrote:
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On March 04 2019 18:40 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:47 Acrofales wrote:
On March 04 2019 17:42 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 03:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm VT btw

Now apologize for playing anti town.

I'm probably still going to kill you for playing anti town. Just so we're on the same page.

Can't you just give him a slap on the wrist or something? Or at least tell us why his earlier shit outweighs the later stuff in deciding who to kill? Because this just sounds lazy to me. And I need you to be not-lazy so I can sheep you.


He needs to repent for his sins and respect authority. I am authority.

Also, I don't believe a word he says, I'm like 90% sure he's lying. I think one of two options is the real one here:

a) He read his PM initially, claimed this gambit, got called out on his bullshit and is now trying to pull back from it.
b) He didn't read his PM initially, and he didn't read it now. As soon as night falls he'll post "haha I didn't actually read my role PM suckers".

I don't think for a second he just didn't read his role PM and then read it without question when told to. People are prideful and his turnaround was... too easy. He didn't resist enough, didn't try to spite me at all for forcing him to do this.

Once you do anti town shit it takes a very, very long time for you to get back on my good side.


I think there's quite a few obvious reasons Sentinel could do what he's done, as town, and none of them should make him the lynch today.



No I know townies do stupid shit all the time. Including playing anti-town.

It's the way he's gone about doing the things he did that's suspicious to me. In general people who play mafia think they're better than everyone else and are spiteful assholes. If he genuinely hadn't read his role PM I believe there is absolutely no way he just caved in I read it, thus option b).

Now option b) says nothing about his alignment of course, as he still doesn't know it, but that's irrelevant. The option I think cannot be true is

c) He didn't read his role PM, then caved in when I pressured him and read his role PM and claimed his role.

I just don't think people work like that. Maybe I'm wrong, but yeah.

I am very, very certain that either a) or b) is the truth, not c).

Between making a case on me based on your own insecurities and having a townread on two of the scummiest players in the game I'm starting to wonder if you're scum.

On March 04 2019 19:29 Palmar wrote:
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On March 04 2019 19:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Palmar can you explain your town read on damdred? I don't get it really.


It's a meta/tonal read based on knowing Damdred.

I can't be arsed going back to ensure I have the turn of events exactly right but something like this happened:

Some people were kinda suspicious of LS
I thought LS was pretty much being LS and looking pretty ok/town
Read along towards Damdred casually claiming masons with LS
Infer that what Damdred really means is he townreads LS (it was obviously a joke claim)

So Damdred made the same read I did, and made a ridiculous claim as a defense of LS because to him (Damdred knows LS very well) it's pretty obvious this isn't mafia LS, at least not obvious mafia LS.

It's both the way in which he made the claim, and the fact that his read matched with mine. I like Damdred's tone in other posts as well. I think his "kill from within" town cycle comment had the right amount of funny to not be a mafia trying too hard etc.

You're going to have to explain to me like I'm 5 years old because you're the third player in this game that made some implicit assumption LS is town based on his earlier posts and then built everything off of that.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 16:17 GMT
#1942
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 16:47 GMT
#1973
On March 05 2019 01:36 Vivax wrote:
And his huge effort post after acting like "fuck you, lynch me then" is quite the contradiction.

I do this literally every game.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 16:47 GMT
#1974
It always works except when it doesn't
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 16:47 GMT
#1976
Out for a while but going to look more in depth at Conversion and Acro when I return
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 19:52 GMT
#2169
On March 05 2019 04:48 Trfel wrote:
Voting Palmar for mayor because of all of the mayors' targets I want to see [UoN]Sentinel lynched most. Him having a townread on himself while claiming to have not read his role PM is super suspicious, moreso the more I think about it. Other than his huge list post he hasn't shown much thought at all, he's been just following the thread sentiment. His overall play makes his effort seem fabricated. A few reasons being quoting my reasoning in one area while highly scumreading me in another, and more importantly not seeming at all invested in his reads. If he put all that effort into reading and making his scumreads, he wouldn't not actually push those reads and follow the thread sentiment like a headless chicken. It feels forced, and like he's trying to use the effort to prove he's town.

##Mayor Palmar

Catching up but nearly everything in this post is either wrong or disingenuous

BH isn't in this game and unless this is some sort of last minute ploy to get him to come out, seeing as we've got 4 hours to deadline I don't approve of wasting a vote on a player who isn't even around to defend himself
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:00 GMT
#2183
On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit

Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.

Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:03 GMT
#2190
On March 05 2019 05:01 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit

Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.

Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.

I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O

No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:04 GMT
#2192
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker

If only because I've been busy with interviews as well
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:07 GMT
#2201
On March 05 2019 05:05 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 05 2019 05:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit

Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.

Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.

I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O

No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.

Lol. Hi pot.

Here are my scumreads rn

LS
Damdred
Tictock
Trfel

I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:11 GMT
#2206
On March 05 2019 05:07 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 05 2019 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Conversion seems more like busy townie with 1 scum read who tries to push that scum read as some sort of contribution to the thread rather than active scum lurker

If only because I've been busy with interviews as well

??? That's completely not my take.

Is your take still based off the mafia joke he made? It's def an awkwardly worded post but I think people are too anal about "I'm mafia" jokes for that post to really have an effect on me
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:17 GMT
#2226
On March 05 2019 05:13 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 05 2019 05:11 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Bh is unacceptable and he has had plenty of time to do something productive he is scum


Well, my lack of activity being unacceptable? absolutely.

If you think that "BH is inactive when he is scum" is even close to a correct heuristic you must have never played with me, or seen or hosted or observed any game I'm in. Come on, dude, you know that isn't true. Be a man and vote me on policy. Don't make false statements about my meta.

I don't give a shit about your meta.

You somehow mayor vote palmar when you haven't read at all he didn't play untill page 40


It's a policy vote and you know it. Admit it. Be a man.

I looked in the vote thread and saw someone had voted for him for mayor, and Palmar's a decent player, so I voted for him too. I figured it would be productive.

I don't even know why i'm arguing, I'm fine dying. I just hate people saying wrong things

Why are you complaining about policy votes when your first pick for mayor has been a guy who's exclusively promised a policy vote
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
March 04 2019 20:18 GMT
#2230
On March 05 2019 05:16 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 05 2019 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:05 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:01 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 05:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:54 Acrofales wrote:
On March 05 2019 04:45 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What's with the BH train? If you want to kill a hardcore lurker like that why not use the mayor lynch? I don't see the benefit

Because BH is not your typical lurker. IMHO it's like foolishness or sandroba lurking. They hate playing scum, so just don't.

Even assuming this is true the only way this makes sense is if we have absolutely no other candidates to lynch. BH has barely defended himself and he's barely posted in the thread which means we barely get any information when we learn his role except maybe who sheeped his vote.

I'd rather lynch scum than "information". God, you're really trying to dig yourself into this hole, aren't you? :O

No, you'd rather pick an easy lynch based off activity rather than trying to figure out who all the scum are.

Lol. Hi pot.

Here are my scumreads rn

LS
Damdred
Tictock
Trfel

I'm fine with lynching any of the four and I want whoever I do lynch to say as much as they can before they die so that maybe I can learn something useful

LS martyred and gave up.
Damdred is lurking somewhere, but I'm trusting ppl who know him better than me to make sense of his uselessness. But he's a lurker.
Ticktock didn't seem scummy except for that really bad reentry and fuck off today. But he already said he won't be back before the deadline so if your aim is to have a discussion, maybe read the thread?

So the only real "scum read" that follows your own rules is trfel. Great. I actually agree he is scummy as crap. But he actually looks like he's playing, rather than telling us to lynch him. Sure, we could vig BH. Or, being a high profile target who is martyring himself because he can't be bothered to read the thread, we could lynch him dead. And if he flips scum,

I agree that the longer BH stays in this thread and doesn't offer any takes the scummier he looks tbh
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