Oats is Mafia
1. He acts weird when associating with known mafia.
Open up his filter, and just read it. That's what I was doing, expecting to find he was just a "lone wolf" townie, as Mocsta calls him. I wasn't even really looking at who he was talking to, just sorta reading the content. I came across his response to BC, and though "huh. That doesn't sound like Oats." And then I saw who he was talking to. I already quoted the post in my huge night post, but I think it's far better you just do this exercise for yourself.
Now go and read Ver's guide on mafia.
Now come back here and vote Oats.
1a. Grackaroni found him acting weird with Wiggles too. I kinda agree, but don't know what to make of it. Lets flip Oats first. If this is Oats just being weird with Wiggles, then we decide that. If this is Oats being weird with another one of his scumbuddies, then we got two. It's very possible, but I don't feel like casing Wiggles just to catch Oats. We case Oats to catch Oats.
I'm quoting it anyway, so everybody can make up their own mind:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2019 03:37 Grackaroni wrote: Wiggles and Oats Seriously everyone stop what you're doing and read all of Oatsmaster's filter. It is snarky comment, followed by asshole question throughout the entire filter EXCEPT for one point, where he very clearly seems to be making conversation with Wiggles for no reason but because they're both online and want to distance: Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote:
There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch. I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you! Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace? That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said. You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post: On March 03 2019 18:23 Tubesock wrote:Why isn’t Palmar, Blazinghand, Rels, onegu, pandain, darthFoley, etc on this list too? Are these that much different than straight policy lynches? I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far. On March 03 2019 17:59 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 13:47 Tictock wrote:
Ok, I came, I saw, I did some things. Seems like ppl are not around so gunna do other things. May check in once more before bed but I am pretty sure I am not going to fully read the stuff I missed.
I'd like someone who is wanting to lynch oats to convince me why he is scum.
Similarly as to why ppl are voting HF for mayor.
If deadline was right now/soon I would push for Meap or Grack to lynch. You know HF was going to mayor lynch [UoN]Sentinel before it was cool right? So, the difference between HF and Palmar is HF has actually played so far and given plenty of opinions. And exactly like Chezinu said, latching onto this Sentinel policy is right up Palmars alley if both were scum. And absolutely worth it. Plus Palmar doesn’t have to do anything else, talk about skating by. Vote HF for mayor for the Sentinel kill, ##VOTE: Palmar so he actually plays. Town win wins. On March 04 2019 01:07 Tubesock wrote:
I’m voting Trfl. Maybe he will come play. If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:
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That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said.
You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play. Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in? Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 14:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 14:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 13:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
I think I'm picking up what you're putting down, Ace. We're being oblique, so I hope I'm not too far off base.
Gonna move that mayor vote. oops you wanna expand on this Wiggles? your play interests me so far. What do you think of tube now after scumreading him earlier More or less reading that there's information to be gained outside of the policy lynch. That wagon should be dead now anyways. Still reading scum on Tubesock. Don't think HF saw this earlier when I asked for comment: On March 04 2019 05:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 04 2019 05:41 Holyflare wrote:On March 04 2019 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I think we should lynch Tubesock for this post:
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I think he asked this question to make Acro seem scummy for pushing low-content posters, and that conflicts with the way that Tubesock has been playing the game so far.
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If Tubesock is town I don't see why he should be questioning Acro's lynch choices considering his own so far. I think this is a bad post. It's quite obvious why he questions acros posts because there's no distinction between any of those other players. What do you think of Tubesock's deflection of my pressure earlier in the game? On March 03 2019 06:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:
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When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me?
Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? Yeah, I'd like to see some sort of contribution from you. What makes you want to support HF for mayor? Is it a scumread on Sentinel or some kind of policy lynch? You don't make that clear. I'm cool lynching scummy people just trying to coast by on the first day without needing to stick their necks out too much. That's people like you so far, and Conversion who's re-hashing the same argument with MZ instead of moving to anything else. Guys like Acrofales and and Sent fall into this bucket for me right now too. I'm not super thrilled with any of the mayoral candidates so far. I like HF the most from the people who've thrown their hat in since some of our reads jive. Disagree with him about Chez, his play seems par for the course from what I remember. I asked for some kind of read, and instead got an answer of "later". I responded to their own questions and was ignored when they returned to the thread. Their posting has been very non-committal, and they still haven't really pushed a lynch target yet. The pressure votes don't come out and say, "I think this guy is scum", but are hedged as an activity motivator. I'd like to hear more takes from others as well. Tubesock doesn't seem to get brought up much, so they're sliding by without much attention. They still haven't produced a hard read either. Do you have an alignment read on ace from that exchanges I lean soft town on Ace so far. What I was sensing made sense to me, assuming I got it, and his other posting doesn't strike me as scum play. Can you speculate the town reason for his proposal of how we should vote mayors in? I suspect it was something of a bait to check reactions. As to what he was looking for exactly, I think he'd need to answer that himself. I get the feeling he was having a laugh too, like some of the other entry posts. It's the lack of follow through or trying to push it that doesn't push it into scum territory for me. There was the one post about it, some reactions, and it didn't eat up a bunch of thread space with back and forth. i mean, it gained 0 traction and a ton of backlash, why bother pushing it or following up on it. Unless it was a straight up joke post which i doubt, town Ace wouldve felt some ownership towards the case Show nested quote +On March 04 2019 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2019 14:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
What do you think of the Acro case Oats?
I've been going back re-reading his posts and the case on him, but I'm having trouble making up my mind. I'll probably sleep on it and re-read again in the morning. I wanna lynch Acro yeah lol This is so out of character from the rest of how Oats acts in his filter. I'm sticking with this 100% Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 02:06 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm reading through Wiggles' filter now.
I have a strong suspicion that if he is scum that I can find the entire mafia team from associations in his filter. Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 05:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wanna say wriggles is town because everyone is literally ignoring him but he’s still trying his best Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Looking at Mr wriggles filter, he’s about as bland as a bowl of porridge. He doesn’t put himself out there, doesn’t really seem interested in finding scum and is kinda cruising doing whatever, take some real fencesitting reads. mafia It also took me longer to find relevant quotes that I knew I read before I realized that my search is off because he calls him Wriggles.
2. Throwing away the vote.
Day 2, Oats was *adamant* we don't stray from the wagons: either kill HF or kill BH. Do not deviate!
On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough. everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you. Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor.
Very adamant about shutting down any other possibilities:
On March 08 2019 05:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2019 05:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 08 2019 04:59 rsoultin wrote:On March 08 2019 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:On March 08 2019 04:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2019 03:50 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Blazinghand (11): Mr. Wiggles, Rels, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, rsoultin, AMG, Mocsta, LightningStrike, WaveofShadow, Tictock, Tubesock
Holyflare (9): Acrofales, Blazinghand, sicklucker, BloodyC0bbler, Vivax, Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, Fecalfeast, Ace
Ace (2): Jockmcplop, Tumblewood
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Acrofales (1): raynpelikoneet
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Grackaroni,
Damdred (1): Meapak_Ziphh
Not voting (4): Damdred, Chezinu, ExO_, darthfoley
Blazinghand is currently set to be lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Friday, Mar 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . Any town people who aren’t on either BH or Holyflare are actively playing against their wincon btw? Not to say anything that would discourage people from voting HF (and thus saving me, who I know to be town) - but presumably some people strongly TR both me and HF. I'm sure there's scum in the 10 people not on either wagon, of course, but I could see someone having a reasonable reason here. I've certainly felt doubts about this HF wagon, and if I start townreading HF I'm going to move my vote off him. It really gets my goat if these poeple voting side votes aren't around at the end of the day though. Even if you TR both of us, presumably there's one you think is more town than the other... You don’t understand. Either you or holyflare is getting lynched today at this point, there’s nothing else strong enough.
everyone town needs to lynch who they think is the least town or most mafia between the two of you.Lynches are the town’s power but if there is a significant amount of people off wagon then it becomes the mafia power because they have the numbers to manipulate it their favor. @Acro See, Oats gets it xD Though tbf if I strongly felt someone was scum I'd push it. Rels being so pissed off at me (I do not accept this is always a town role as an argument when it's demonstrably not) makes me less inclined to push that. Nah, this just means mafia will pile onto one of the wagons instead of hiding elsewhere as we just defined a rule: if you're off-wagon, you're scum. So scum hides by being on the wagon. If they're both scum, they bus (as there literally isn't another option). If one is town and the other scum, they try to avoid bussing. And if both are town they just lurk and comply. There is no point in forcing consolidation in a plurality lynch. Actually that’s not the point. The point is to get all the town people either voting for hf or blazing hand, preferably hf.
Day 4, there are 2 wagons. You could call Onegu a 3rd, but MZ was never getting off the ground, and everybody was hopping off it. Except Oats:
On March 14 2019 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day Four final Vote Count
Chezinu (7): Onegu, Rels, sicklucker, darthfoley, Grackaroni, LighningStrike, Vivax
Tubesock (7): Mocsta, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Chezinu, Fecalfeast, Acrofales, Alakaslam
Onegu (3): Meapak_Ziphh, ExO_, Pandain
Meapak_Ziphh (1): Oatsmaster
Oatsmaster (1): tubesock
Not voting (0):
Actually, Chezinu is lynched.
Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
The take-away message isn't that Oats is a hypocrit, it's that Oats doesn't actually care about where his vote ends up, as long as he looks good for it. Making "town rules" to vote on one of the two wagons is a great way to get a townie lynched and then have zero actual accountability. If he believed that consolidating on the wagon was essential for town to "exercise" their right to vote, he should be more invested in where he votes on other days as well. He really isn't. Anyway, he discussed this with Grack, and claims afk. Take it any way you like. I personally question an Oats who is so adamant about being a conscientious voter that goes afk with his vote parked on a wagon that was going nowhere.
3. Lots of posts, not much content.
Yesterday, I highlighted this post:
On March 03 2019 08:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Also hf, so either you are town and you play serious so my read is wrong. Or you are town and you dont play serious so my read is right in the sense that if you were serious you are mafia. But just that my judgement of your posts is wrong. It cant be both at the same time like you are trying to portray it here. Show nested quote +It's your read that I'm too serious but over 50% of my filter at that point was not serious. Those posts you've quoted are also just reads.
In what previous game of mine have I not given reads and instead have just done this amazing nothingness and fun you're trying to portray me as doing as town? So the green part is that you are saying that you arent playing seriously this game in your opinion. The bolded green part is that you are saying that you do play serious as town. SOOOOOO ARE YOU TOWN THIS GAME HF??
But there's plenty more in his filter, where he is sorta pressuring, sorta coaching and sorta just being a dick without actually going anywhere with it. He's happy to blow along with where the wind blows.
For those that say being an aggressive, direct twat is his townplay, I dunno. I went over his mafia games and most are really old, but I also found this one:
https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532537-mafiacalfeast-i?user=Oatsmaster
Looks to me like his posting style is exactly the same as this game. That's not to say that his posting style makes him scum, just that it doesn't make him town. I make no pretense at being able to meta-read Oats. I just claim he's scum for in-game reasons.
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