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For the people who are short on time, here's a TL;DR of what convinced me to write a giant wall-post in the first place:
Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.
After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that.
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together
Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia.
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I think its ok for people to waver on reads and tells.
The question is the motivation which i dont think you covered
Tldr. Im not seeing why this cant be town
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On June 29 2018 17:46 Mocsta wrote:
I think its ok for people to waver on reads and tells.
The question is the motivation which i dont think you covered
Tldr. Im not seeing why this cant be town
Mafia motivation is VERY clear. He's making up bad reasons to push TT because his scum-buddy ShoCkeyy is a counter-wagon.
Then Conversion casually switches his vote to ShoCkeyy at the very last minute when it wouldn't do anything. Then berates everyone for lynching an AFK (oh noes!) despite him being one of the main obstacles to a ShoCkeyy lynch. Which is the main reason Boxerfred became a wagon in the fucking first place.
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And does your theory hold if shock isnt mafia?
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On June 29 2018 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
And does your theory hold if shock isnt mafia?
Yes, because his reasons for pushing TT are still terrible.
But it makes the most sense if ShoCkeyy is mafia because if we have town!ShoCkeyy is town and mafia!Conversion then Conversion would have zero incentive to give a fuck because the wagons would ALL be town and he wouldn't need to show face with his TT posts.
Look at the posts I quoted in my wall-post. Especially the ones where he tries claiming TT's martyring is mafia but doesn't explain how it pushes mafia agenda. He just says that if TT is town then he needs to get gud innit.
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Anyway, have to head off now. See you in ~12 hours.
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On June 29 2018 17:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
And does your theory hold if shock isnt mafia? Yes, because his reasons for pushing TT are still terrible. But it makes the most sense if ShoCkeyy is mafia because if we have town!ShoCkeyy is town and mafia!Conversion then Conversion would have zero incentive to give a fuck because the wagons would ALL be town and he wouldn't need to show face with his TT posts. Look at the posts I quoted in my wall-post. Especially the ones where he tries claiming TT's martyring is mafia but doesn't explain how it pushes mafia agenda. He just says that if TT is town then he needs to get gud innit.
Quoted this post for when i leave work.
Once again same standards apply differently for different ppl.
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On June 27 2018 21:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:I think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake".It stars with Calix here: Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.
What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it. here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix. Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote:
I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax" Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town... good post
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On June 28 2018 01:24 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
Looks like I was actually reading pg 26, which I have now finished.
I need to move my vote off Reg kus I am starting to think I have just been wrong and a bit tunneled on him, and even of not seems to be a solid player to keep around given what I've been reading.
I am warming up to a ShoCkeyy lynch, so will move my vote there. He is going to be the next name on my list of dives, but unless he posts a bunch more that will be a short filter. Says this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out? hmmm another good post i suspect
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On June 28 2018 04:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 03:54 Vivax wrote:
On a quick reread I like shockey more for mafia than TT actually I don't care why you may think I'm more mafia, but what is making you think TT maybe town? supa town post btw
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On June 28 2018 07:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:
So mocsta comes back, and within 5 mins already votes for me, cool, this guy reads... mafia qt. this actually makes sense from his perspective
At the time i didnt know cos this was the first post i saw of him
Deffo town
##vote: calix
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On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too.
Like this whole post. There is never any mafia who justifies a read like this. basically if shockeyy is mafia he would have to either:
1) genuinely not know how much KP mafia has, which is impossible
2) fake not knowing how much KP mafia has
Like which mafia ever comes into a thread, and bases a read on something where part of his justification is the number of mafia kp (which he would already know as mafia), i mean like "hey let me make this read and make up some compeltely bullshit reason to base it on, doesn't matter everyone knows my read is just terribly justified, i am just gonna make it"
Never fucking ever. Like please, read the post and see what it says from his point of view. It is ridiculous to claim that post comes from someone who is not town.
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EWBOP last post should have started with
Shockeyy has many good posts. In addition hte original read HF asked me about is this
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I need to re-eavluate Tictock again. I think Shockeyys case on him is surprisingly good, especially the part where tt claims he hasn't read much of the game then already says "but i will vote for shockeyy".
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On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
Looks like I was actually reading pg 26, which I have now finished.
I need to move my vote off Reg kus I am starting to think I have just been wrong and a bit tunneled on him, and even of not seems to be a solid player to keep around given what I've been reading.
I am warming up to a ShoCkeyy lynch, so will move my vote there. He is going to be the next name on my list of dives, but unless he posts a bunch more that will be a short filter.
Says this 8 mins ago, votes for me 4 mins ago, so what made you come to the conclusion of voting for me? Was it because I've been calling Calix out? Or you out? [/QUOTE]
This is the post sheckeyy called out.
It is simply just a fucking scummy post.
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Calix basically shouldn't be thinking Conversion is mafia. The topics that make Conversion mafia right now has been discussed by her, hell he ASKED Conversion about those very same things she now calls him scum for (aka shockeyy stuff) things and came to conclusion Conversion is town AFTER that.
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Like Calix fucking quoted most of Conversions D1 posts, call him scum for them and has read him town all game (herself talking about those specific posts with Conversion) until this Shockeyy lynch needs to happen for her. I call bullshit.
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Then there is this thing:
1) rayn switches vote from mafia read Calix to TT
2) Conversion switches vote from TT to boxerfred
3) Holyflare switches from mafia read TT to boxerfred who he can't possibly think is mafia at the time
1) always scummy 100% no mater anyone's alignment, she makes many posts about how this is 100% mafia
2) Conversion might be mafia regardless of Shockeyys alignment, but if shockeyy is mafia Conversion is probably too.
3) Calix never cares after posting "ewwwww"
Like how can you have three fucking complete different conclusions in these situations where the starting point is pretty much exactly the same.
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Maybe there is a chance Conversion is mafia with Calix because if (or in mafia world when) Shockeyy flips town she can just drop the read on Conversion again.
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