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I am going to re evaluate
On June 28 2018 07:36 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[2]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix, Mocsta, Koshi Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[1]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan Tictock Tictock is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
PM us if you see a mistake.
On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534884-chill-hop-mafia-vote-thread?page=3
So Calix and Vivax voted at the same time before end of the day to boxerored (2 min)
Tick tock and conversion 1 minute before end of the day to Shockey
If I think about it carefully, TT's numbers were 4, so if conversion stayed with him, it would be the same as Shockey. Both were mafia reads of Conversion's so it would work for him either way, then...
In a world in which conversion is mafia... WHY THE MOVE?
Is TT town and if he flipped town would clear a lot of things?
Is TT mafia and apply the same?
Why to take the risk of the move and be called out for it?
I can see conversion being mafia is TT is mafia and his whole read of TT was just bluff and copy/budding people as you say.
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CopCake.. im giong to drop conversion.
I feel like im trying to create linkages to suit my outcome, which probably means im wrong.
BUT... what i will say is, going through conversion made me specifcally look through shockeyy because converision asks him at one point why tictock over calix.
Im still going through the filter, but the stuff i was looking for... .man. that mofo is town as. just sweet and direct and with impact.
so..im back to square-1.
in my certainly-town world (Holyflare, rayn, CopCake)
in my I-assume-to-be-town world (Shockeyy, conversion)
in my prioritise-evaluation pile (Calix, tictock)
in my No-fucknig-idea (koshi, Slender)
ticktock has shifted to re-evalute because of shockeyy. Once i digest the content I will have a better idea of where i sit.
Calix. i havent read much of what she was written she since had the copcake case. I think its time i stop giving her a free town read for reaction and read the content.
meh.. in short, im a sheep this cycle.
anwaysy, i will spoiler what i was writing about b4 just in case you think i was bullshitting. but its probably not relevant
+ Show Spoiler +actions do lie, especially when you are aware of the outcome before others. im going to summarise my perspective of what you are saying: Conversion position: Shock=TT >Vivax>Calix>Koshi via #517
Mildly amusing in between this (and note its to his scum-read about his scum-read) On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T On June 27 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote:
Actually it might be a tossup between him and ShoCkeyy for the worst entrances in this game
why even post this On June 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote:
Is this a manufactured dumb mechanics thing from Shock? I highly doubt a dude who has played mafia here before honestly thinks mafia getting 3 KP in one night is balanced. at all On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:
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So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads.
I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. On June 27 2018 22:59 Conversion wrote:
I recall having the same frustrations with Shock making posts that never seemed town, and he ended up being town, in a game I played with him. I’ll metacheck that when I’m at a computer
The voting block is deceiving because there are lots of errors in it & came about very infrequently. I will make the assumption that people were too lazy to count what the actuals were, and went off the host counts. Keep in mind Conversion position from above, and that prior to this he was trolling with a HF vote. On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: ShoCkeyy On June 28 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Tictock On June 28 2018 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Vote:Tictock At this point, surely Conversion has to be suspicious that his scum-reads are voting each other, which to his credit there is some "follow-through" On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote:
Tictock why aren't you talking with me
Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote:
Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. I dont know why you arent considering a world where boxerfred & shockeyy are town. imagine that, scum can choose whatever wagon they want without risk...
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#1561
i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not.
the votes were so unpredictable at that point.
(a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer
(b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty
but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote.
thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time.
the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker.
town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever
scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever.
like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence.
where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose.
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On June 29 2018 14:02 Mocsta wrote:CopCake.. im giong to drop conversion. I feel like im trying to create linkages to suit my outcome, which probably means im wrong. BUT... what i will say is, going through conversion made me specifcally look through shockeyy because converision asks him at one point why tictock over calix. Im still going through the filter, but the stuff i was looking for... .man. that mofo is town as. just sweet and direct and with impact. so..im back to square-1. in my certainly-town world (Holyflare, rayn, CopCake) in my I-assume-to-be-town world (Shockeyy, conversion) in my prioritise-evaluation pile (Calix, tictock) in my No-fucknig-idea (koshi, Slender) ticktock has shifted to re-evalute because of shockeyy. Once i digest the content I will have a better idea of where i sit. Calix. i havent read much of what she was written she since had the copcake case. I think its time i stop giving her a free town read for reaction and read the content. meh.. in short, im a sheep this cycle. anwaysy, i will spoiler what i was writing about b4 just in case you think i was bullshitting. but its probably not relevant + Show Spoiler +actions do lie, especially when you are aware of the outcome before others. im going to summarise my perspective of what you are saying: Conversion position: Shock=TT >Vivax>Calix>Koshi via #517
Mildly amusing in between this (and note its to his scum-read about his scum-read) On June 26 2018 22:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I go to dinner, sleep, get ready for work, get my day started, visit TL, see 13 pages, type this response, close TL, be back later to read walls of text T_T On June 27 2018 01:39 Conversion wrote:
Actually it might be a tossup between him and ShoCkeyy for the worst entrances in this game
why even post this On June 27 2018 22:21 Conversion wrote:
Is this a manufactured dumb mechanics thing from Shock? I highly doubt a dude who has played mafia here before honestly thinks mafia getting 3 KP in one night is balanced. at all On June 27 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:
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So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads.
I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. On June 27 2018 22:59 Conversion wrote:
I recall having the same frustrations with Shock making posts that never seemed town, and he ended up being town, in a game I played with him. I’ll metacheck that when I’m at a computer
The voting block is deceiving because there are lots of errors in it & came about very infrequently. I will make the assumption that people were too lazy to count what the actuals were, and went off the host counts. Keep in mind Conversion position from above, and that prior to this he was trolling with a HF vote. On June 28 2018 01:14 Tictock wrote:
##Vote: ShoCkeyy On June 28 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:Tictock On June 28 2018 02:59 ShoCkeyy wrote:
##Vote:Tictock At this point, surely Conversion has to be suspicious that his scum-reads are voting each other, which to his credit there is some "follow-through" On June 28 2018 03:15 Conversion wrote:
Tictock why aren't you talking with me
Shockeyy why do you scumread TT over Calix On June 28 2018 03:19 Conversion wrote:
Let me reword that-- Shockeyy why do you want to lynch Tictock OVER Calix regardless if bother are scum or not? I feel like the general vibe that I felt from you was that Calix was your read On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. I dont know why you arent considering a world where boxerfred & shockeyy are town. imagine that, scum can choose whatever wagon they want without risk...
You know that I live in the world that boxfred (confirmed) and shockey are town is right?
I dont get why you are asking me something I have expressed a lot...
If mafia could choose any wagon then TT, Calix, Shockey, Boxerfred are town.
Since Vivax and Regfan died that leave:
Cake
Rayn
Mocca
Conversion
Koshi
HF
Slenderman
Who from here is mafia?
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On June 29 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
#1561
i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not.
the votes were so unpredictable at that point.
(a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer
(b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty
but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote.
thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time.
the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker.
town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever
scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever.
like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence.
where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose.
The problem here is that some people decided not to bote for their reads and vivax derped hard.
The problem is also you not voting for shockey.
I am sorry once again, but you dont voting dor your mafia read is strange.
This come again with:
Did you not want shockey lynched because it would clear me, rayn, etc or not? (If town)
Would his death put a red light (if mafia) to Calix, yourself, etc.
I cant believe people picked an afk over a read -____-
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#1564
ok, noted you have expressed that, and i have finally reached the same conclusion
but, i havent asked you anything?
i was merely putting my position out there having reevaluated on conversion
for me, as above, mafia is 3 out of (koshi/slender/calix/tictock).
without diving any of them, i feel tictock is likely town; which leaves
koshi/slender/calix
if that is the case, i applaud calix for toughing it out.
and would also go someway to support my personal feelings that majority of the game is town
not sure if the NK support a solo mafia though.
who knows maybe vivax was a blue snipe, especially if mafia hve an RB.
Speaking of that, its not even clear if we get notifications. To me its inferred there is none as there is no successful block notice tot he RB.
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On June 29 2018 14:37 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
#1561
i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not.
the votes were so unpredictable at that point.
(a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer
(b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty
but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote.
thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time.
the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker.
town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever
scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever.
like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence.
where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose. The problem here is that some people decided not to bote for their reads and vivax derped hard. The problem is also you not voting for shockey. I am sorry once again, but you dont voting dor your mafia read is strange. This come again with: Did you not want shockey lynched because it would clear me, rayn, etc or not? (If town) Would his death put a red light (if mafia) to Calix, yourself, etc. I cant believe people picked an afk over a read -____- i dont really know what else to say to you.
it was a real issue to me that rayn got pissed at regfan, and im over it.
im not the only one that voted boxerfred.. like, why arent you doing this to holyflare.
I tried to vote all my reads before going to boxer.. like, i just dont get what your problem is.
we just keep doing the same dance over and over again, im trying to talk to you in a different way and you are being a brick-wall about this.
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On June 29 2018 14:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 14:37 CopCake wrote:On June 29 2018 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
#1561
i dont like this, whether i was still anti-conversion or not.
the votes were so unpredictable at that point.
(a) there was EoD wagons forming like boxer
(b) the vote counts were rarely updated and had errors.. there was no certainty
but i dont like this because you are insinuating that with 1 minute to spare there is enough time to reload the page, see the change, process what needs to happen to save whomeever, and then type the vote.
thats a buttload, and then yuo have different internet speeds.. basically the 1min separate could be considered logging at the same time.
the other factor is that philosophically, smoe ppl are just simply opposed to voting an afk lurker.
town, perhaps because they wish it wouldnt happen to them; or morals or whatever
scum, perhaps because they feel they will cop limelight they dont want, or whatever.
like im not gonig to call someone scum because they didnt want to vote boxerfred, and definitely not because of something that happened 1min in sequence.
where im getting it is that such a simple thing debunks that whole post.. im not really sure what the point was other than, here, rayn wants me off the island, now here is another plattter to choose. The problem here is that some people decided not to bote for their reads and vivax derped hard. The problem is also you not voting for shockey. I am sorry once again, but you dont voting dor your mafia read is strange. This come again with: Did you not want shockey lynched because it would clear me, rayn, etc or not? (If town) Would his death put a red light (if mafia) to Calix, yourself, etc. I cant believe people picked an afk over a read -____- i dont really know what else to say to you. it was a real issue to me that rayn got pissed at regfan, and im over it. im not the only one that voted boxerfred.. like, why arent you doing this to holyflare. I tried to vote all my reads before going to boxer.. like, i just dont get what your problem is. we just keep doing the same dance over and over again, im trying to talk to you in a different way and you are being a brick-wall about this.
Ohhhh but when HF gets back he will have hell with me even if Rayn says HF is town.
I know you are trying, and I liked your last post (the one saying calix is mafia)
Now if those three are your last picks let me figure out how it works with the lynch or as a team and interacions during the day/night.
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On June 29 2018 12:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HF who would you have shot as mafia?
You/vivax/calix/tt
I'd probably think I could mislynch you so I'd shoot tt who looked pretty towny and is saying the most since vivax town read me and scum read you.
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On June 29 2018 13:10 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 13:04 Mocsta wrote:On June 29 2018 13:01 CopCake wrote:On June 29 2018 12:52 Mocsta wrote:
i think you should be considering with Conversion why he even has those opinions.
Everything is just loose throw away comments that echo others
"ohh, this person rubs me the wrong way"
Heres one for you, do any of conversions opinions that you share come first?
I suspect it does not.
He wanted to kill his mafia reads, never a town. Unless you think TT and Shockey are both town idk how Conversion's pov doesn't work with yours since you also think Shockey is mafia. Conversion tried HARD to kill Shockey to save Boxerfred. Please listen carefully. Do you even understand why conversion has those reads.... The act of follow through is non-alignment indicative. Both mafia and town have reasons to do it. Its why and how that matters, and at least to me, its very much lacking with conversion. To me actions speak more than a thousand of walls of posts with fancy words. Words lie. Actions don't. The fact he tried to save boxer says a lot. He could have stayed and then be like "THIS IS SO STUPID BLA BLA BLA BLA" But he actually TRIED* Unless he tried to be like "this is so dumb bla bla" but as a mafia point of view, why just not pretend to afk and be back later? The action to me is what speaks he is town :/ Sorry.
How did he try and save boxer and why does that matter? If shockeyy is town too then he tried to kill a more active townie and hope modkills can give him extra town flips.
He also didn't try and save boxer because he only voted 20 seconds before the flip.
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On June 29 2018 13:26 CopCake wrote:I am going to re evaluate Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:36 Tubesock wrote:Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[4]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[2]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix, Mocsta, Koshi Calix[1]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[2]:boxerfred, Holyflare Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[1]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan Tictock Tictock is currently the lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Jun 27 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) which is in .
PM us if you see a mistake. Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 08:17 Tubesock wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count
Tictock[3]:Holyflare, Vivax, Conversion, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, raynpelikoneet, CopCake ShoCkeyy[4]:Regfan Vivax, Tictock, Calix,Vivax, Mocsta, Koshi, Regfan,Tictock, Conversion Calix[0]:raynpelikoneet, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi, raynpelikoneetboxerfred[5]:boxerfred, Holyflare , Mocsta, Calix, Vivax Holyflare[0]:Conversion CalixRegfan[0]:Mocsta, Tictock Vivax, Mocsta TheSlenderMan Vivax, CalixVivax[0]:Holyflare, Calix, Regfan TictockBoxerfred has been lynched. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/534884-chill-hop-mafia-vote-thread?page=3So Calix and Vivax voted at the same time before end of the day to boxerored (2 min) Tick tock and conversion 1 minute before end of the day to Shockey If I think about it carefully, TT's numbers were 4, so if conversion stayed with him, it would be the same as Shockey. Both were mafia reads of Conversion's so it would work for him either way, then... In a world in which conversion is mafia... WHY THE MOVE? Is TT town and if he flipped town would clear a lot of things?
Is TT mafia and apply the same?
Why to take the risk of the move and be called out for it? I can see conversion being mafia is TT is mafia and his whole read of TT was just bluff and copy/budding people as you say.
If tt is mafia and conversion is mafia then conversion is lynching his teammate. He has already said multiple times before this deadline that i should be voted for voting boxerfred so he can't vote bf to save teammate tt because he would look really bad. His only thing he can do is vote shockeyy.
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Fwiw I don't actually think conv is mafia but it's still reasoning you've missed.
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Gonna have to reread calix I guess. Maybe I'm just dazzled by people with big wordy posts.
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##vote ShoCkeyy
This guy still needs to die.
I didn't like Mocsta vs CopCake, something seemed 'off' there to me.
I don't think Conversion is mafia. But he does seem to be keeping a low profile and when reading the thread in chronological order, many of his posts are the "pop in, say something while other stuff is going on and pop back out again" variety. So I'm going to look at his filter before work. I have about an hour right now.
This day cycle sucks hard for me because I have two 12-hour shifts so I will be really tired and not want to do anything. But I will try to filter Mocsta when I get back from work as well unless he does something RLY TOWNIE.
P.S: If anyone makes a case against me then may I politely request you add a 'tl;dr' to make my life easier? Thank you.
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What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later
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On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later
I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange?
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On June 29 2018 17:00 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange? one vote one focus
You are diluting
It is odd even with shift work
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On June 29 2018 17:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2018 17:00 Calix wrote:On June 29 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
What an odd post
Votes shockeyy but wants to focus on me later I already think ShoCkeyy is mafia. I'm not sure whether you're mafia. Why is that strange? one vote one focus You are diluting It is odd even with shift work
Different playstyles =/= odd.
I've explained why I think ShoCkeyy is extremely likely to flip red, mainly because of his information gap compared to the evidence he provides, as well as how his reads haven't changed at all despite having heaps of new information in the thread. I have seen nothing to convince me I am wrong, therefore I am going to look elsewhere.
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Rayn why exactly was shockeyy definitely town before this night phase?
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Conversion.
I am now convinced this guy is scum with ShoCkeyy and you can see this through how his TT read progresses. Keep in mind that, from Conversion's POV, TT was the only viable alternative to ShoCkeyy for most of EOD because Conversion had stated a "Vivax/ Calix are probably not mafia" read on me previously.
On June 27 2018 05:16 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 02:18 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 02:07 Conversion wrote:
I don't think either Vivax or Calix is mafia for all that's worth at this very exact moment in the game. Or if they was one, it'd be a 1/1 split. No way mafiateam Vivax and Calix randomly jump on Copcake like that.. no reward medium risk play.
Rereading rayn/reg makes me solidified in not wanting to lynch them today. Rayn is probably town, reg I get a weird feeling from filter.. like they post a lot and bring a good logical standpoint on things but can't remember anything memorable coming from it? Hence why I wanted some other inputs, but doubt regfan should ever be lynched today, I suppose.
Gun to my head, my lynch pool would be HF > Shock > Koshi, but things will change.. will dive Tictock some time later since lunch break is over I think you make a decent point with Reg. I was town-reading that slot because we had similar-ish reads at around the same time and they're producing a lot of content. But I can also see your argument where they don't say much that's scummy in isolation but you also can't say what they're trying to accomplish this game. It's not something I want to bet a D1 lynch on though. I'm a bit skeptical about how I'm reading people because (now I've started to actually filter people and play the game) there's nothing that scummy about most of the active players and I kinda doubt that ALL the mafia are inactive. On June 27 2018 02:08 Conversion wrote:
also I don't like Tictock's continuous mention of how he is unlynchable this game. rubs me the wrong way Why? Yeah, hence I don't really want to lynch him today. Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.
Starts here when, after saying he needs to reread TT, says that he 'doesn't see town motivation' in softing that you're unlynchable. I find the highlighted part...very questionable. It reads like he's using reasoning he knows he's used in the past to scum-read TT without actually believing in it.
On June 27 2018 21:14 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 19:28 Regfan wrote:Really difficult to actually get a read on Conversion here since his HF push/scum-read looks to be entirely based on some OGI-esque type grudge or a joke-push that he's just maintained for the sheer majority of the day phase. It has scum motivation in that they can hide behind a push that can easily be chalked up as less alignment indicative but ultimately neither of those things feel out of the question for a TL player to do as town. There's other reads/thoughts inside his ISO, some I can sort of follow, others I can't, really though, not a lot to actually get a solidish read on anywhere there. @Conversion - 1) Can you please just run through where your concern with HF stems from; what's he done here or previously that makes you think he's a worthy policy lynch type player? Can you also try and pull away from your issues with him as a person/player and run through what you think of his alignment in this game 2) How'd your dive into TT go, wouldn't mind you running through your stance on Vivax a little more for me, in #373, you mention you don't really think either him or Calix is mafia, I can follow your reasoning for not thinking they're a scum team there but I don't really see much more to it and removing him and throwing Shockwave/Koshi as your lynch pool feels fairly lazy. - R 1) I'm not actually being serious about HF. He sounds town, doesn't like TT like me. Overall his play is unimpressive to me so far 2) After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that. That lynch pool was a gun to my head if I were to vote on people. I still don't think there's a mafia in Vivax/Calix, but I may be wrong. If I'm going by PoE, you and rayn are not lynches today. Mocsta/HF/Cop are my town reads. Shockeyy/Vivax/Calix/Koshi My Vivax read is more of a gut feel as he hasn't posted enough to form any read to me. I do actively question people who scum read him and Calix together as that makes almost 0% sense in my books
Note the bolded part. He says that TT's 'unlynchable' thing isn't actually scummy after giving it some thought and TT isn't in his list of targets.
(as a side note, he 'actively questions' Vivax/ Calix believers but thinks rayn is LIKE RLY TOWNIE. Vivax calls him out here but Conversion seems to misinterpret what Vivax was saying entirely and I'm not sure whether Conversion ever actually responded to this point)
He goes on to rhetorically asks whether ShoCkeyy's dumb tell is fake. (implies ShoCkeyy is mafia otherwise why would you ever say this?) and soft-defends ShoCkeyy using meta (says he always finds ShoCkeyy makes posts that are 'never town'). It's not clear what his ShoCkeyy read is since he never makes it explicit.
Then THIS happens:
On June 28 2018 01:58 Conversion wrote:
Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together, and pins that as why I pushed you for the greater half of day1, which is just a flat out lie. I don’t see the reason for town anyone to misrepresent something I clarified about and then disseminate false information. It wasn’t even a mistake of misreading my filter, it was pulled out of thin air.
On June 28 2018 02:33 Conversion wrote:
The thing about TT is that he has a thread presence but refuses to address direct concerns by specific people? He also keeps townleaning/townreading me through others, but never discusses anything with me.. bizarre!
This 'case' is atrocious. Conversion said earlier that he changed his mind on the 'unlynchable' part because he didn't think mafia would do that on D1. But WITHOUT ANY EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER, he uses it as a reason to scum-read TT again!!! This looks like he's flinging shit against TT.
Bonus points for defending ShoCkeyy and jumping on one of the counterwagons to him for horrible reasoning.
Double bonus points because, when he uses that meta to defend ShoCkeyy, I showed him why that didn't make ShoCkeyy town this game. And he brushed it off because "I don't like comparing playstyles too much" (why would you use it as a reason for me to not think he's mafia then?)
Triple bonus points because he somehow found TT not voting to save himself scummy???
On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself.
On June 28 2018 07:54 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 07:53 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 07:52 Conversion wrote:
Otherwise I'm sticking to TT. No way town!TT doesn't vote Shock here after scumreading him and having a chance to get him lynched over himself. So mafia!TT's brilliant plan is to kill himself? On top of everything else, he is more likely to flip mafia than town. IF he is town he needs to fuck off with his emo TL mafia is trash garbage monologue he's doing and actually play to save himself on a scum read HE ACTUALLY HAS win-win either way
Nowhere in these posts does he explain how TT's dumb martyring actually helps mafia. Probably because the only scenario where that would work is if TT/ ShoCkeyy is a scum team and then people might ask things like "why the fuck were you dithering with a ShoCkeyy vote?" and "why did you wait until it was too late to vote for ShoCkeyy?"
Now I did make a post on Conversion's EOD before. But I only looked at a small part of his filter. When I looked from page 1 like I did now, his EOD looks way worse because of that TT progression.
Conversion/ ShoCkeyy/ ??? FTW
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