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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 02:38 GMT
#1521
No, talk to me.

The other people from my town circle are pretty inactive.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:40 GMT
#1522
I need to go to work. Can't talk right now.
I am simply treating HF as confirmed town since me, you or anyone isn't probably lynching him today or even tomorrow regardless of his alignment and now he should be confirmed by D4 so i am just gonna let him search for mafia until N3.
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:41 GMT
#1523
im on fuckn p8

im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons.

i have made up my mind
##Vote: conversion

See you at deadilne.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:41 GMT
#1524
Like TT is just town, he actually believes in what he says. Noone fakes shit like that when the argument in the first place is based on some complete bs thing that doesn't even make any sense.
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CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 02:42 GMT
#1525
On June 29 2018 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I need to go to work. Can't talk right now.
I am simply treating HF as confirmed town since me, you or anyone isn't probably lynching him today or even tomorrow regardless of his alignment and now he should be confirmed by D4 so i am just gonna let him search for mafia until N3.


I am voting him lol, I don't know how a town HF would start a wagon out of nowhere on bf.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:43 GMT
#1526
On June 29 2018 11:41 Mocsta wrote:
im on fuckn p8

im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons.

i have made up my mind
##Vote: conversion

See you at deadilne.

Noone is going to lynch you today most likely. Unless you decide to go all emo over nothing and possibly throw away your vote like 5 minutes into D2.
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:43 GMT
#1527
Prob a waste of time, since no1 cares
but i cant see CC as scum from the first 4 pages. I just cant.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 02:43 GMT
#1528
On June 29 2018 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like TT is just town, he actually believes in what he says. Noone fakes shit like that when the argument in the first place is based on some complete bs thing that doesn't even make any sense.


If TT was town then why didnt mafia lynch him?

easy misslynch
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:44 GMT
#1529
On June 29 2018 11:42 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 11:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I need to go to work. Can't talk right now.
I am simply treating HF as confirmed town since me, you or anyone isn't probably lynching him today or even tomorrow regardless of his alignment and now he should be confirmed by D4 so i am just gonna let him search for mafia until N3.


I am voting him lol, I don't know how a town HF would start a wagon out of nowhere on bf.

It only even makes sense from mafia perspective if Calix is mafia and even then he has actual scumreads. It would be a very weak scumplay from him, and he is not anywhere near weak scumplayer.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:45 GMT
#1530
On June 29 2018 11:43 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like TT is just town, he actually believes in what he says. Noone fakes shit like that when the argument in the first place is based on some complete bs thing that doesn't even make any sense.


If TT was town then why didnt mafia lynch him?

easy misslynch

I don't fucking care. It is very bs to say someone is mafia because of what other people did. It really is, because you cannot control what other people do and you do not always know what mafia thinks since you're not in their QT.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:45 GMT
#1531
On June 29 2018 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 11:41 Mocsta wrote:
im on fuckn p8

im not going to waste my time reading this shit coming up on a weekend, if you are just going to throw away everyone from d1 and call me mafia for fuckn stupid non-alignment indicative reasons.

i have made up my mind
##Vote: conversion

See you at deadilne.

Noone is going to lynch you today most likely. Unless you decide to go all emo over nothing and possibly throw away your vote like 5 minutes into D2.
Its not the point.
like ppl are already iffy about me because they expect me to do things I simply don't do.

Some ppl are good at deductive logic and others at inductive.

im the former but TL is jam packed with deductive types.

im just stating mi not going to invest literally 12hrs of my life to read something and then get lynched later.
waste of time.

conversion to me has been blending in all game and skating the line of active enough to not be forgotten, and not pissing one off. Hes doing it really well actually.

Thats enough for my vote regardless of filter dive and/or thread catch up.

peace.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 02:47 GMT
#1532
On June 29 2018 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 11:43 CopCake wrote:
On June 29 2018 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like TT is just town, he actually believes in what he says. Noone fakes shit like that when the argument in the first place is based on some complete bs thing that doesn't even make any sense.


If TT was town then why didnt mafia lynch him?

easy misslynch

I don't fucking care. It is very bs to say someone is mafia because of what other people did. It really is, because you cannot control what other people do and you do not always know what mafia thinks since you're not in their QT.


No, if you are sure that TT and shotckey are town mafia could have easily misslynch.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 29 2018 02:47 GMT
#1533
Fine Mocsta, i will look into that later on.
table for two on a tv tray
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:52 GMT
#1534
and if you must know

i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again.

everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued.

since then i have treated calix as town.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 02:54 GMT
#1535
On June 29 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
and if you must know

i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again.

everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued.

since then i have treated calix as town.


Nope, you changed your mind like in 3 minutes on the end of the day when she was leading.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:58 GMT
#1536
On June 29 2018 11:54 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2018 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
and if you must know

i did want to lynch calix, i really thought it was a kitaman thing all over again.

everyone shit on my calix points, in particular regfan whom input i valued.

since then i have treated calix as town.


Nope, you changed your mind like in 3 minutes on the end of the day when she was leading.

This is false, stop being a fangrl

I was here 1hr before deadline. thats guaranteed cos i start work 1hr before deadline.

You dont get to stand on your soapbox and tell me what i was thinking.

it took me a lot of effort to write those calix posts so fuck off.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 02:59 GMT
#1537
Anyways, if conversion is mafia, i can see it being with vivax or calix.

Obviously vivax is town, which means calix is definitely a possible ally
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
June 29 2018 03:03 GMT
#1538
On June 28 2018 07:47 Mocsta wrote:
hmmm.

Filter dive rayn - Theres a couple odditities in his play, but maybe IRL shit. Like, I just dont think he can be that passionate against calix/regfan etc as mafia. Theres a lot of conviction in his posts that I think cannot be faked.

Filter dive tictock - Im still not seeing why anyone thinks he is scum. I look at his wagon and see pretty much town (if you treat the shockeyy mafia stuff as a dumbtell)

Koshi is probably a crap shoot. I prob more want to lynch him out of spite than I think he is mafia

Calix i think is town. #1004 is just something i dont expect mafia to say, but i see town do it all the time. its just a genuine venting of frustration

this leaves my voting block to shockeyy, boxer fred, vivax
Will filter those guys now

##unvote
Who knows, maybe this is a bizarre game where 2 of the scum team are AFK, and vivax is actually by himself lol


You surely think Calix is mafia.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 03:06 GMT
#1539
you're a really dumb bitch and cherry pick what you want to believe

go fuck off and read some posts before that.

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 29 2018 03:08 GMT
#1540
On June 27 2018 20:54 Regfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote: Calix

+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +

On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:
Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz?
On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote:
On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read.
On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.

Thus it's not AI.

I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that.
On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?"

If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here:
Show nested quote +
...did it in a way that contributed to discussion in a healthy way [...] which feels like a town thing

..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game.
On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here.

Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid.

Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call.

Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here.
On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works).

So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?"

Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like.


I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads.

(1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon
(2) Regfan posts a fake post
(3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix)
(4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim
(5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta"

What I find critical about this sequence of events is that:
- Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead
- Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT

This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL.

This only satisfies mafia agenda.
You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan.

I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant.

So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early?
Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only?
Why change gears in the first place?


I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately.

I want to respond to this before I start on anything else because I know you said you value my input considering how differently we think about things, and I don't want you to think that I don't respect your reads or care about the work you've done.

I actually don't think what you're looking at is super indicative, I think town make small assumptions like that pretty often and sometimes it's just that they make an inductive leap or because it isn't or doesn't seem necessary.

I don't think you're right that what he did only satisfies scum agenda. I understand what you're seeing there, but I think it can also just be him as town making a post, maybe a bad post, but just a post about things that he thought. I kind of think that you might be going a little too deep. I don't think that mafia very often think on that many levels inside one post, or try to do all of those things at once like that. Not that early in the game anyway.

I think if you simplify the whole thing, then you've got Calix seeing people talk about something, recognizing to himself that it's not actually indicative, and moving to put a close to a discussion that isn't really fruitful by saying that it's not AI.

I think there's actually a fair bit more mafia motivation in stirring shit up about it, trying to keep town distracted from meaningful gamesolving, keep them thinking that it's a scummy or weird post, or even attacking someone who is attacking it.

I don't know if any of that makes sense or not or helps you at all.
Cos you are so fuckn stupid , here you go.
i dropped my calix read after this.
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