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On June 28 2018 02:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:31 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work
Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote. I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler +(this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing. If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative. I actually hate this even more because until I changed my vote I think vivax was actually in the lead in votes. Have you SEEN the vote thread? There's about 36396705 votes after the last vote count. Sorry I didn't take the time to meticulously plot out who's voting where and how many votes XYZ has but it doesn't make me scum. It's not even remotely close to a reason to call me scum. They're all on vivax and Shockey and you. Your two biggest scum reads and yourself. So why even make the tt post in the first place? What did you see that warranted you to go out of your way to say we should save him?
I saw a bunch of people in this thread talking about lynching TT/ scum-reading TT who is a guy I think is town. As said, I didn't check the vote thread before I made my post. I just felt like saying "hey I don't want to lynch this guy, does anyone want to talk to me about why they do?" since a bunch of people don't like him but I didn't really relate to why.
Don't think my thought process is that complex or hard to follow tbh.
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On June 28 2018 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
My point is that you may have in fact not known who was up for lynch because mafia don't give a shit who is up for lynch as long as they are not mafia. You could have seen sentiment pointing towards tt and thought you needed to produce some content and that was a free post to make.
You didn't count on expert scum hunter hf finding you and picking that post apart though.
But I'm currently under a lot of suspicion? So wouldn't I be more aware as mafia about votes then because I want to avoid being lynched?
Nothing about your push makes any sense and seems really forced, HF.
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You seem to know there's one vote difference :p
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And tt could be mafia? Easy
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On June 28 2018 02:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:59 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work
Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote. I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me. I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler +(this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now) when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing. If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way. I could lynch you for this post to be honest. Not only do you exclaim to not even know who is up for lynch (it's TT and yourself) but then you full on defend TT for absolutely no reason when you don't even know if he has votes or the reason for lynching him. You then provide no alternative. I actually hate this even more because until I changed my vote I think vivax was actually in the lead in votes.
I interpreted this as there being one vote difference between the two, lol.
Maybe I will make a vote count so that we actually KNOW, eh?
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And who is the sentiment even pushing tt?? Vivax? Your scum read??
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On June 27 2018 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Going to enjoy more sun. I will put it in my brain to check when watching soccer.
Ehh ok, I retract my last post on Koshi.
He is possibly not the best place for votes... possibly.
Thinking about it, I think Koshi reminds me a little of a friend of mine who thought pretty highly of himself and did well to maintain that, but at some point felt like it was too much pressure to maintain that and has since slipped into living in squalor. It's sorta like the stories of Grade A students who end up overdosing.
Ehh that's a stretch (I don't think Koshi is overstressed), but I know Koshi is capable so it frustrates me endlessly when I see him purposely be a shitter. He played this way last game I was in as town, and only put in solid effort after it was too late to really get people to change their minds (as the game was a general shitshow and he was like the 4th person to claim blue and only did so as votes were piling on him).
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Okay, so I think this is the vote count but I'm not 100% sure.
Calix [4]: rayn, Mocsta, CopCake, Koshi
Tictock [3]: Vivax, Conversion, HF
Vivax [2]: Regfan, Calix
Shockeyy [1]: Tictock
Not voting [3]: SlenderMan, Shockeyy, Boxerfred
I'm very confident this will only get worse.
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Ticktock who should we lynch and why?
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Someone that isn't shockey.
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Also why isn't shockey voting calix?
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On June 28 2018 02:46 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:11 Koshi wrote:
Going to enjoy more sun. I will put it in my brain to check when watching soccer. I know Koshi is capable so it frustrates me endlessly when I see him purposely be a shitter. He played this way last game I was in as town, and only put in solid effort after it was too late to really get people to change their minds (as the game was a general shitshow and he was like the 4th person to claim blue and only did so as votes were piling on him).
I was thinking the same thing about that game tbh.
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Calix do you have a reason for still sring shockey besides that he's done even less shit than you have (your own words)?
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I think that read might need an update.
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On June 28 2018 02:50 Holyflare wrote:
Also why isn't shockey voting calix?
I thought I had submitted it earlier, but I checked my phone and it timed out .... but there's still time to vote and watch if some one slips other than Calix, but meh fuck it, I'll just put my vote on my actual read.
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On June 28 2018 02:26 Conversion wrote:@Calix you can just CTRL+F Shock here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/528031-heroes-of-the-storm-mafia?user=Conversion&view=allbut I aggregated some things. I think I just put him on a low-key read but don't dwell on because I tried way too hard to read into him in the aforementioned game and was just straight up wrong. + Show Spoiler +On November 01 2017 11:32 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:27 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:24 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 11:10 Conversion wrote:On November 01 2017 11:09 happykrogan wrote:On November 01 2017 10:55 Tictock wrote:And I'm caught up. I dislike Shokey calling out people who haven't posted yet this early in the game. Also people should talk about this: What do you make of HF voting Damer, the pressuring you for also thinking Damer might be mafia? HF wasn't pressuring conv for thinking damer might be mafia. He pressured him because of the reasons he gave for disliking him weren't good. and you haven't followed up with anything, either. What's your opinion on the thread so far? Am I scummy for acting similarly to my last game? What about Shockey? Is he clear lynch bait, or is he mafia? What's your opinion on the interactions between me, rux, and HF? What's your opinion on TicTock's string of posts, and the conclusion he comes from it? true Well I think your reasoning for disliking damerion seemed pretty forced. Like if you had to think of something because you got asked. To the other things: If I don't say anything about other things it usally means I have no opinon on them. I'm newbie so it is still hard for me to figure out how I interpret posts and I prefer to wait until more is said before I give hasty reads I change anyways. So yes you are scummy. Fair. Hope that changes over the course of the game, b/c I'm not scum but I can see where you're coming from I guess. Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 07:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:
lol at this early game posting. Is this the new meta? To just claim something and then hope no one notices you lied? I don't really like this entrance, and I don't really like his last post of "let's just wait for AFKers to come in." you shouldn't be sitting around twiddling your thumbs and waiting for people to not be AFK. it's awful behavior, and there was more than enough content to push some buttons/ask questions and agendas no bueno On November 01 2017 11:41 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2017 11:39 ShoCkeyy wrote:I mean the game just started, there is nothing to really post about other than Conversion getting triggered about being "grilled"... I also posted the list because I mentioned it's too early to even try to vote because these "list" haven't posted yet. I haven't really played with any of you other than Holy, Damred, Vivax, and what may be Oatsmaster (but I don't recall). So I'm still just poking around and seeing what comes out of what. I don't mind taking the fall for now until some one slips, cause it's what I usually do. So far those who are "suspicious" of me, one of them have a good chance at being scum  I just pointed your entrance out b/c it's like Tictock randomly de-towning me in his list for not seeing obvious joke posts.. except you applied that to a broader audience instead of just me. Seemed like a lazy, forced comment about a bunch of fluff that came out within the first hour of the game On November 02 2017 01:14 Conversion wrote:
I'm voting ShoCkeyy until he stops dodging me for whatever reason. On November 02 2017 07:03 Conversion wrote:
someone explain to me why shockey is bad town instead of scum for his leaps in logic and deflecting shit back onto me because I'm not seeing it and he should be lynched because he is scum On November 02 2017 07:34 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2017 07:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I chose to dodge it, so there's my reason. I don't need to deal with you anymore but you insist, I've caught you messing up with your own posts, I've already proven that my reading comprehension isn't off, and you're easily triggered. I rather deal with others at this point.
And you're not being any help. Brb my sun here. you’re not dealing with anyone. you come up when someone mentions you then disappear again your behavior is 100% clear as day scum. try harder On November 03 2017 06:30 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2017 06:28 Vivax wrote:
Well my vote stands and I explained why I'm not going to vote TT.
I'm not feeling a Ruxxar lynch either atm.
Shockey is simply the best lynch and I'm not going to do anything besides pointing to today's arguments and voting him for the rest of the game.
As I said, lynch shockey or feed. I mirror this part 1000%
I took the liberty of reading Shockeyy's filter that game and I don't agree he's playing the same way.
The excessive confidence in his reads is not present in that Heroes filter.
He actually has some reasons for town-reading people that AREN'T pre-flips.
He's less arrogant, for lack of a better word.
Actually seems to be having fun in that game.
There are some aspects that are similar, like 'baiting' people, making questionable arguments against players and flippantly throwing out pre-flip associations like confetti, but overall I think this filter actually gives evidence AGAINST him being town.
I acknowledge I may be confirmation-biasing myself here but I think the point about how he's excessively overdoing his confidence in his reads holds.
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On June 27 2018 23:29 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. hard yikes -G
I take back what I said about you earlier in the game Gamma (Gemma?)
We can be friends.
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On June 28 2018 02:55 Vivax wrote:
Calix do you have a reason for still sring shockey besides that he's done even less shit than you have (your own words)?
Yes, I think he is far too confident in his reads compared to the evidence he's given for those reads.
I find this scummy because it shows he's fabricating the reasoning. Townies have a natural level of confidence in their reads compared to the evidence because they don't know alignments and thus their confidence flows naturally from the evidence they find and are shown. Mafia have to feign this confidence since they already know the answers and sometimes they mess up by being too cocky about a read that isn't that great, or showing doubts over a scum read that they should find irrefutably scummy, etc.
I'm accusing him of forcing this excessive confidence about TT/ Calix despite the evidence leaving a lot of doubt over TT/ Calix actually being the mafia team.
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On June 28 2018 03:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 23:29 Regfan wrote:On June 27 2018 23:10 Koshi wrote:
Ended up reading TT and think we should vote Vivax over Calix. I'll still follow rayn but Vivax looks worse from what I read. hard yikes -G I take back what I said about you earlier in the game Gamma (Gemma?) We can be friends.
Gamma? Gemma?
Explain that.
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On June 28 2018 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:50 Tictock wrote:On June 27 2018 21:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:I think Vivax is town, after reading convos between Tictock and Calix... Who btw barely even talk to each other in the thread other than "I didn't like your case against Cake".It stars with Calix here: On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 08:05 Tictock wrote:
Well nothing to do but pretend like I am working and play this instead.
What up peeps Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? What I've found in past games is that afkers are usually town, and away, since they don't have a huge role in the game, they tend to just sit back, watch, and post when needed. And also honestly, I've notice way more mafia trying to lynch into afk towns, than anything. I would understand the afkers too because I thought the game was starting Tuesday. Not Monday night, so I had to play a large catch up as part of it. here Calix still trying to put blame on afker's, low post count trying to lynch them off, or Vivax, who is starting to look more town after each post because of the interactions between Tictock and Calix. On June 27 2018 20:15 Calix wrote:
I'm as good as rayn and HF? Since when? lmao
Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^
Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think).
Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal.
Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it.
In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. Then tictock's reasoning of not "voting for Cilax" On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Possibly lynching off a teammate d1 won't work for him, so yea let's go for the afkers or Vivax the well known town... Vivax the well known town... I'm sorry, what? You need to explain to me this Vivax is solid town read, because you just loosely frame it as being evident because of interaction between me and Calix? Makes no sense Not until you answer my question.
Plz answer now.
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