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The only fucking people that have been toxic in this game are Conversion and Regfan himself and both against me.
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On June 28 2018 02:04 Calix wrote:
Can we save the personal drama for the post-game please? Or take it to PMs? Or PM the host? Or literally anything other than talking about it in a mafia game?
No, i fucking hate shitheads.
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On June 28 2018 02:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 27 2018 22:08 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote:Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". On June 27 2018 21:47 Calix wrote:
Another bad post, eh? ^^
Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason?
That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler.
Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. Ehhh, feels fake that you use this to continue to push your scumread on Calix. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption that mafia only get one shot at night as that is the TL Mafia standard. This is something you know, so this just looks like you are slinging anything you can without actually evaluating it.
You obviously haven't been reading the thread if you think I use this to continue my push on Calix... wow.
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On June 27 2018 22:19 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote:
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I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.
Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.
#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.
I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.
I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.
His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.
I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.
I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.
I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.
I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.
-G These are exactly the type of posts I have an issue with concerning your play. You make this long-winded post that is teetering on the edge of painting me scum, and even saying you wouldn’t mind lynching me, but then you do this soft cry for help shit. Stick to your guns and actually push and make a read? If my playstyle is scummy to you, then stick to that. If you’re unsure, then don’t lynch me over your stronger scumreads
I actually found myself agreeing with Reg's post about you, it is pretty in line with my own thinking.
At the same time, I kinda like this response. It's a level headed "come at me bro"
You guys can both be town, imo.
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On June 28 2018 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
I don't really understand what rayn did to annoy him at all to be honest. Your playstyle is good but it's just the fact you're a hydra that people are "annoyed" about (I'm pretty sure only mocsta or rayn have even commented on this) since you're not playing like a hydra, you are just two players posting from one account.
If quoting timestamps weren't illegal, then I would be more than happy to just c/p for you. We have been playing like hydra and I don't get your insistence that we haven't. We disagree on ONE read, which is TT. What are you even talking about? Literally all of the reads I've talked about over the past few hours have either been things that we've talked about together, or things that Reg has given me charge over or asked me to talk about.
-G
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On June 28 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:04 Calix wrote:
Can we save the personal drama for the post-game please? Or take it to PMs? Or PM the host? Or literally anything other than talking about it in a mafia game? No, i fucking hate shitheads.
Stop.
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On June 28 2018 02:07 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
I don't really understand what rayn did to annoy him at all to be honest. Your playstyle is good but it's just the fact you're a hydra that people are "annoyed" about (I'm pretty sure only mocsta or rayn have even commented on this) since you're not playing like a hydra, you are just two players posting from one account. If quoting timestamps weren't illegal, then I would be more than happy to just c/p for you. We have been playing like hydra and I don't get your insistence that we haven't. We disagree on ONE read, which is TT. What are you even talking about? Literally all of the reads I've talked about over the past few hours have either been things that we've talked about together, or things that Reg has given me charge over or asked me to talk about. -G
It's illegal to copy and paste but a general time and paraphrase is fine.
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On June 28 2018 02:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 28 2018 02:04 Calix wrote:
Can we save the personal drama for the post-game please? Or take it to PMs? Or PM the host? Or literally anything other than talking about it in a mafia game? No, i fucking hate shitheads. Stop.
I think you should vote for Calix.
And yes.
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On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma? Discord. And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you. -G I also don't like this. It would quite succinctly tie up your alignment for me if you could do it. It really shouldn't be hard either because you just have a history log on discord right?  Why is the game shitty when you seem to have narrowed a quite substantial town list down? Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game.
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I don’t understand why I’m considered toxic for calling you, Regfan/Gemma, out for coming to the conclusion of being “okay” with a lynch when there are clear, STRONG scumreads from your other posts? Yeah, I could have packed it up nicer, but I attacked your stance and words. It’s BS to think that town would be “okay” with a lynch instead of pushing for their clear scum reads, especially one (two?) who has the presence of mind to be able to talk through and actively drive discussion.
You got mad at me because I didn’t “address” any of your other glaring concerns because I didn’t disagree with anything else but that. The fact that you’re still carrying on with a “I’ll lynch a null read over my town Calix read” instead of convincing others on your stronger scum reads does not give you town credibilty in my eyes. None whatsoever.
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I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks.
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On June 28 2018 02:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks.
They used to do this back in ye olden days as well?
@Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read?
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On June 27 2018 22:39 CopCake wrote:
And I dont like regfan being all “oh but i havent played you know this rayn”
Sounds like appeal to emotion.
Everyone is busy.
Everyone has a life.
Me right now is answering from a gym so yeah.
You shouldn't have touched this, at all, with a ten foot pole, CopCake.
Anyway, I'm upset about this, and I don't want to talk about it because it's not helpful.
I'm overdue for sleep anyway.
-G
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Honestly I dont think I have been toxic to reg, if something the person that should be more annoyed at least to me is Calif because I am pretty much a “weird people” and slow when I dont see thing clears, I am also playing I am at the office, at the gym, between gym stops and sometimes my autocorrect messes up my writing.
Ugh.
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On June 28 2018 02:08 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma? Discord. And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you. -G I also don't like this. It would quite succinctly tie up your alignment for me if you could do it. It really shouldn't be hard either because you just have a history log on discord right? Why is the game shitty when you seem to have narrowed a quite substantial town list down? Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game. ..........
I actually have to second this post because I just read through cop's filter to make sure and she has done absolutely nothing to regfan so the appeal to emotion meter is ever increasing.
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On June 28 2018 02:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:12 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I got used to Conversion and rayn going at each other when theyre both town... so nothing new to see folks. They used to do this back in ye olden days as well? @Conversion, did you ever get around to that meta read of ShoCkeyy? How confident are you in that read?
I never get along with rayn. Well, except Vendee when we were rather civil to each other but that's cause we barely talked at each other, hence why I suggested we don't talk to each other and cut it short.
I am finally on a computer now, so let me dig.
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On June 28 2018 02:11 Conversion wrote:
I don’t understand why I’m considered toxic for calling you, Regfan/Gemma, out for coming to the conclusion of being “okay” with a lynch when there are clear, STRONG scumreads from your other posts? Yeah, I could have packed it up nicer, but I attacked your stance and words. It’s BS to think that town would be “okay” with a lynch instead of pushing for their clear scum reads, especially one (two?) who has the presence of mind to be able to talk through and actively drive discussion.
You got mad at me because I didn’t “address” any of your other glaring concerns because I didn’t disagree with anything else but that. The fact that you’re still carrying on with a “I’ll lynch a null read over my town Calix read” instead of convincing others on your stronger scum reads does not give you town credibilty in my eyes. None whatsoever.
I didn't call you toxic. Who are you even talking to? I'm voting Vivax, I've never tried to lynch you at any point in this game. And I didn't get mad at you, btw.
-G
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On June 28 2018 02:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:08 CopCake wrote:On June 28 2018 01:58 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 01:38 Holyflare wrote:On June 28 2018 01:05 Regfan wrote:On June 28 2018 00:54 Holyflare wrote:
Can we get some kind of paraphrasing of your conversations together and the medium through which you communicated each reg/gemma? Discord. And no, I really can't be bothered. I'm too tired and worn out by this shitty game. You can read our filter if you want to know what our reads are, our chats are just those in short form. If you can't already tell that we're town then getting a paraphrase of our talks together isn't going to help you. -G I also don't like this. It would quite succinctly tie up your alignment for me if you could do it. It really shouldn't be hard either because you just have a history log on discord right? Why is the game shitty when you seem to have narrowed a quite substantial town list down? Because it's fucking toxic, rayn made Regfan hate the game when he's trying to get back into mafia and find time to enjoy it again, I love Regfan and you have no idea how much that horseshit fucking pisses me off it's actually unbelievable how insensitive rayn and his girlfriend have been towards Reg. Not to mention half the players have just been insulting us for our playstyle. So yeah it's a shitty game. .......... I actually have to second this post because I just read through cop's filter to make sure and she has done absolutely nothing to regfan so the appeal to emotion meter is ever increasing.
This will not matter though when we get the paraphrased discord logs with rough timescales though so it's all fine.
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On June 27 2018 22:37 CopCake wrote:
I am sorry Calix, my answer might come of the one of an ass but your answer about me initially asking you then must habw been boring or not satisfying because I dont remember.
It didnt make me thing “Oh well this read is good maybe Calix is town” but it didnt happen.
The only universe I can think of you being town is if Rayn is mafia.
Out of curiosity, how would you rate your ability to catch a Mafia!Rayn cake?
I don't think it is out of rayn's scum range to pull up some meta regarding you to justify townreading you and thus trying to pocket you for the game.
Having said that it was really only Rayn's last post I touched on that has me considering the universe you are referring to.
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On June 28 2018 02:16 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 02:11 Conversion wrote:
I don’t understand why I’m considered toxic for calling you, Regfan/Gemma, out for coming to the conclusion of being “okay” with a lynch when there are clear, STRONG scumreads from your other posts? Yeah, I could have packed it up nicer, but I attacked your stance and words. It’s BS to think that town would be “okay” with a lynch instead of pushing for their clear scum reads, especially one (two?) who has the presence of mind to be able to talk through and actively drive discussion.
You got mad at me because I didn’t “address” any of your other glaring concerns because I didn’t disagree with anything else but that. The fact that you’re still carrying on with a “I’ll lynch a null read over my town Calix read” instead of convincing others on your stronger scum reads does not give you town credibilty in my eyes. None whatsoever. I didn't call you toxic. Who are you even talking to? I'm voting Vivax, I've never tried to lynch you at any point in this game. And I didn't get mad at you, btw. -G
On June 27 2018 22:29 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:19 Conversion wrote:On June 27 2018 22:11 Regfan wrote:
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I really disliked the way he was pushing on HF, I also don't know if I entirely believe that he was just joking about scumreading him, because in #349 he responds to a serious post about a different read by saying he's not pushing that person, he's pushing HF. If his HF push is a joke, this feels like abusing that as a way to avoid responsibility for other stances, which would be the main mafia motivation for such a tunnel in the first place. He also says in #373 that HF is in his lynch pool, and given that the rest of that post is entirely serious, I don't really understand him not dropping the shtick there if that's what it was and being like "okay I'm being real now guys, here's my lynch pool" or whatever.
Sidenote I have no idea why I keep gendering Calix as male.
#216 was the first post where I started to feel tangibly bad about him, the way he talks about Cake feels disconnected but that's really just a little thing and more gut than actual reasoning I can talk about in a sensible way.
I'm a little bothered by the difference between his serious posts and the rest of his content. It feels fake somehow, that he's making a lot of little bite-sized posts that are kind of empty, then interspersing them with more serious ones. I don't know exactly how to explain this right now but the process inconsistency there feels bad.
I also just don't really have any real idea of who Conversion really thinks is mafia and why. I don't think he's really put himself out there at all or taken any meaningful stances and that also feels bad.
His read on us in particular I dislike. It feels like he's been trying to deny us towncred for as long as possible. He started off by asking people why we were town, excluding the most obvious reasons why we were town, then later says that we're logical in a good way but unmemorable and it doesn't feel like something he's genuinely thought through on his own. He also says that we're unmemorable literally right after rereading us, so I don't understand how that's even a thought? That's from #373, if you want to go see what I mean.
I also think the way he has treated Vivax is weird, he's said twice now that he doesn't feel like Vivax+1 make sense as mafia together but not really shown any deeper thought than that and that doesn't feel genuine to me.
I struggle to follow his thoughts in #517 and for the most part the way he talks about his stances feels kind of fake.
I wouldn't say I strongly scumread him by any means but I don't think he's town right now and I don't think I'd be opposed to lynching him today. There are a bunch of little things from him that I sort of slightly dislike, one or two things that I dislike more, and not really anything from him that I like except his tone and well, the fact that he's at least made some posts.
I would definitely appreciate some help with this read because there's probably a chance that some or a lot of this is playstyle and I don't really want to get hung up on that kind of thing. I wouldn't mind hearing him respond to any parts of this that he feels inclined to, especially if he were to talk about who he actually wants to lynch and why that would be really great.
-G These are exactly the type of posts I have an issue with concerning your play. You make this long-winded post that is teetering on the edge of painting me scum, and even saying you wouldn’t mind lynching me, but then you do this soft cry for help shit. Stick to your guns and actually push and make a read? If my playstyle is scummy to you, then stick to that. If you’re unsure, then don’t lynch me over your stronger scumreads If I'm not sure about my read on you, I'm not going to pretend to be sure. That would be stupid and horrible play. I'm also not going to not talk about a read just because I'm not sure about it. Don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play, thanks. -G
On June 27 2018 22:44 Regfan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 22:37 Conversion wrote:
I’m not “dictating” how you play, I’m calling bullshit on you partly scumreading me because I’m trying to “debunk” your towncred. I had bad feelings about you even though what you were doing is town-aligned, hence the question to the thread. I moved on from it pretty quickly once it got no steam and I resolved myself you being most likely town and moving on to figuring out who I want to lynch D1.
If you don’t want me talking to your points, don’t ask me to softly clarify in your posts. Simple as that. Right, that's why you addressed none of my actual concerns and instead just insulted the way I play the game. Screw off. -G
Annoyed is the better word I suppose. Also your post on how "half the game" is insulting your playstyle, and I am distinctly in your filter as telling someone to screw off for insulting your playstyle.
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