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Calix
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On June 27 2018 02:54 Vivax wrote: In your particular case I know better about giving a shit about what you do. While the snark is much appreciated, would you mind answering the first question? You're claiming to have a hipster scum-read on Mocsta so I'd like you to back that one up with quotes or something. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 03:01 Tictock wrote: Yes you were the only one who wasted their time on this. You read "scary amounts of nonsense" (which I assume means you are caught up) and this was the only thing worth talking about in your mind? Seeing that you also threw down a vote on Cake for next to nothing shortly after this I'll just add you to the list. Regfan/Calix/Vivax Why exactly do you town-read CopCake so strongly that you'll call her 'almost lock town' and accuse two players of being mafia at least in part because of CopCake-related reasons? You have not explained this read at all. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 03:07 CopCake wrote: Other shit is also going on here yet you want inactives to participate. I didnt want to have a general read on people on point fingers or better said, have a strong opinion before I have seen the inactives play to have a better view of the whole game. HF is making fair points, with the way he reads me (I annoyed a lot in the drawing game) to pointing out other members. I had him on suspect because he wasnt very “agressive” or his playstyle was different. I don still think he is playing a little different but maybe it is because no one has pissed him off yet maybe? I don't think the other stuff happening changes anything I've said. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said in the first paragraph. I just don't currently get mafia vibes from the actives. Obviously this will change when the inactives play and I can compare people but there's not a lot I can really do with my reads until that happens tbh. It's a bit frustrating. I would say HF's been playing a little more 'muted' than usual but that's not necessarily mafia-indicative and he's perfectly capable of jumping down the thread's throats as mafia. Anyway I'm letting him do his thing for now. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 03:43 Holyflare wrote: Perhaps it's the posts that don't say that that I like?  Yeah but which ones exactly?  | ||
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Calix
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Anyway I've skimmed the thread. I'm making the executive decision to largely ignore the TWO (!!!) giant cases against me since I'll be working for most of the day and putting me on the defense near EOD is a really bad idea. I'll be around for EOD though so I can do some filter-diving and give reads then ^^ Also Regfan goes up a notch for being sensible, looking into things and discouraging that dumb fight or whatever you'd call it between Tictock and Mocsta (while Mocsta's case was pretty bad, it's not mafia-terrible, I don't think). Regfan also realises that, in a game where about 1/3 of the players aren't actually playing, lynching someone who is playing on D1 is suboptimal. Yes, yes, this argument is really self-serving but it's not wrong so you should probably just do it. In a normal game, this would be the part where I tell you who the best lynch is but I would be lying if I said I had any preference. Sure, I can analyse Koshi/ ShoCkeyy/ Vivax or whine about how terrible it is that two players haven't posted yet. But I don't think it's possible to accurately assess players with such low post counts so I don't see the point of wasting time by pretending to do so. I could lynch literally any of them right now and my thoughts are probably not changing until they actually start doing stuff. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 20:17 Regfan wrote: Gemma linked me to #381 and I'm in agreement that I don't think that's how scum react towards being pushed there at all. Dude is very very clearly town, will try and spend some time running through the cases against him because he shouldn't ever be the lynch here, like ever. - R Wasn't that post #203 that Gemma made this comment about? O.o | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 08:15 Mocsta wrote: ##Vote: Calix + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On June 26 2018 08:06 Calix wrote: Sup, long time no see. Fancy randomly bandwagoning some AFK person for the lulz? On June 26 2018 08:14 Tictock wrote: On second thought, lets vote Regfan, purely for having an obscene prepared post, that I will prob never read. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote: It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks. Thus it's not AI. I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. On June 26 2018 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Calix literally didn't take a stance on anything since the conclusion says "not alignment indicative". Which is by the way the opposite you claimed a conclusion towards your post should be in the first place. Secondly, the conclusion sucks even more since the first paragraph of her post includes an indirect assumption that your hydra is town, which again contradicts clearly to the conclusion she has made. There is no reason to believe, in case your post is pre-written, that you do not believe you have a cop check on N0 as a cop so a smart person, instead of making that post would instead of writing a nice looking nice sounding nonsense post ask "why don't you wanna claim your check right now?" If you think people who are being nice are more likely to be town and people who are not nice are not, then you have a very terrible view of what this game is about. Also if what you said here: ..if you actually believe this, then you should probably call yourself mafia for the very first post you made this game. On June 26 2018 10:49 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure I saw anything in Calix's post that made the assumption that Gemma-Reg is town, but I overall agree with rayn here. Calix's switch in stance from "lets rando vote someone for lol's" to "thats not AI, don't vote" seemed sudden to me. Especially when my suggestion to pile votes on Reg had nothing to do with alignment. I feel slightly hypocritical here though, kus I switched my own stance of "I don't wanna vote pointlessly" to off the cuff voting someone just kus they did something I think is stupid. Actually maybe I do see what you mean here Rayn, there is no way Calix should be able to make any assumption about when Reg prepared that post. PM's went out an hour before the game started so there was plenty of time to decide to do something like that after getting a role, and there should be no real way to tell when someone makes that call. Anyways, I'll optimistically call Rayn and Mocsta town here. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. I have highlighted key parts of the quotes in red, as I do believe this is a genuine scum slip/town tell & may have gone over most peoples heads. (1) Calix requests random vote bandwagon (2) Regfan posts a fake post (3) TT requests to vote Regfan (implied to Calix) (4) Calix provides "analysis of Regfan post" by commenting on validity of cop claim (5) Other posters comment on "Regfan post" by simply stating "copypasta" What I find critical about this sequence of events is that: - Calix cop claim assessment doesn't consider a world where Regfan is mafia and fake-posting, instead - Calix auto-assumes a world where Regfan is cop or VT This is important because Calix is changing gears from "random vote" to "analysis before vote" to provide this contribution that is in essence providing town-lean evidence to upgrade from scummy to NULL. This only satisfies mafia agenda. You provide authentic contribution (i.e. town read), make a potential ally in Regfan, and possibly start a wagon on those that scum read Regfan. I think the townier way to go about the fake-post was what others did. Comment that its a copy/paste and move on. In a world where you only have your PM that is green or blue; how do you read into that fake-post any further.... well, you cant. So why does Calix then go out on a limb so early? Why jump to the conclusion that a fake-post is from town land only? Why change gears in the first place? I absolutely understand why town and scum would not want to random vote; but I cannot comprehend why any town would want to feign a care-free attitude to then ditch it immediately. I wanted to vote because the host is using my 'self-vote' mechanic from last game, therefore voting elsewhere ASAP is a good idea. I commented on the post before anyone called it copypasta (and I didn't realise it was copypasta, something you fail to consider). You should have realised from reading the thread in chronological order. I stated the post was NAI which thus can't assume that he is a certain alignment BY DEFINITION of it being NAI. I remember having this argument with mafia!rayn last game because people apparently don't know what NAI means. Your conclusion that I'm trying to pocket him has zero validity with that in mind. How can anyone be upgraded from 'scummy to null' when all posters at the start of the game are null? The fuck kind of logic is this. The assumptions made in this post are so bad and twisted that I don't even know what to make of it. Aside from it being really terrible. On June 27 2018 08:45 Mocsta wrote: This is my chance to nitpick look at the red & focus on the underline. This is a vote with supporting "case", and the key component has a qualifier inserted in it. This suggests to me a lack of confidence (or self-authenticity) behind the post; yet it is drafted aggressively with confidence. Sometimes, its the devil in the details, and given that Calix had no pressure on her at the time, I see no reason for a townie to feel compelled to release a case with that qualifier. The arrogance is real here. If you're going to nitpick at how I talk, perhaps you should actually check to make sure THAT'S NOT HOW I USUALLY TALK. Jesus Christ, this is something that actually requires meta and knowing the person behind the screen a bit better than you do. I throw in qualifiers all the time. Hell, I've just used several in this paragraph alone. In any case, these arguments rely on false or disproven assumptions, incorrect information about how I talk, and doesn't consider some obvious town motivations for what I did (like not knowing the post was copypasta). I still maintain this guy is town but is just arrogant and has his head wedged up his arse. I conclude this because he assumes things about my personality that he doesn't know (he's never talked to me before) and refuses to engage with me even when I'm in the thread with him (because pissing off your scum-reads by refusing to talk to them is a BRILLIANT strategy that won't ever backfire if you change your mind later). | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 20:48 CopCake wrote: Like small details of “where is the paranoia?” Of his posts big me a lot Because yeah I tend to get paranoid but how does Calix know I get paranoid? Or is it normal nowdays on TL to get paranoid on a day 1? I'm saying that townies usually express paranoia, not that you specifically express paranoia. As said about 47690347 times, I don't know the first thing about you so stop acting like I'm using your meta to read you when I'm not -_- | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 20:35 Regfan wrote: I actually think you're town now and so does Regfan, he's taking care of that and I'm supposed to be taking care of our lynch but I'm not really functional IRL right now so I could use some help, I know you've kind of fallen apart and don't know who to lynch at all but I'd appreciate having your voice. My favored lynches right now are Vivax/TT/Conversion but Regfan doesn't want to lynch TT and Mocsta says that Vivax is self-resolving so I feel a little bit stuck. It's probably worse because I feel like shit and my reads on them are basically just gut at this point. Anyway I'm going to filter them and try to read and figure out what I think properly and put down some stuff in thread hopefully and would really appreciate it if you look over it with me if you feel up for it. -G Why Conversion? I think he's well townie. Same for TT. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 21:05 CopCake wrote: Did Calix care about my meta? No Cared about how is my playstyle or get to know me? No Took in consideration what rayn said? No Stopped when HF told him I am confusing? Yes I have problems with this, I am actually trying to see these with different eyes but when TWO strong players told her NO is when Calix stopped. You mean that if multiple people tell me I'm wrong about a player that I might actually be...wrong? Call the fucking presses. I also didn't stop pushing you because of HF calling you confusing nor did I make no attempts to 'get to know you' better. That's not even remotely close to what happened. | ||
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Calix
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Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen. TT isn't the only person with a lot of 'scum reads' (since there are a lot of questionable players and AFK slots, how would anyone find this notable?). He follows this up by reiterating how he doesn't like TT's unlynchable comments. Then he gives excuses for why he doesn't have any 'decent reads' before bad-mouthing the thread for fighting each other. Yeah, could lynch this ^^ | ||
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Calix
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Since when did you very conveniently and opportunistically decide to scum-read me, may I ask? And for what reason? That paragraph about AFKs being more likely town and rambling about the game starting date is filler. Your town-read on Vivax is based on a very flimsy pre-flip association which will crumple like a house of cards. Do you have any substantial reason to town-read this guy? | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 21:45 ShoCkeyy wrote: meant to quote this, since I was responding here: Which btw, who else has more than "six" scumreads if you can answer that? I do so I don't need to look for whoever else thinks AFKs contain most of the mafia Well technically, I have a POE of five people but whatever. | ||
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On June 27 2018 21:52 CopCake wrote: As easy as this Calix 3 town players and why 3 mafia players and why Reads pls. I think I have asked this before to someone but I didnt fet an answer. 🤷🏽♀️ You asked me. I answered. Annnnnnnnnd you ignored most of what I said to complain about how I am now focusing on inactives after saying it was bad you were focusing on inactives despite the context being different. So forgive me if I'm not repeating this argument again with someone who is literally asking me to repeat stuff I've already told them! If you want your answers, actually read my filter. If you have any questions, go read it again. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 22:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: Vivax, why can't it not be something they do? If he claims he can't die, there's only two reasons, he's a role, or he's mafia. There's a 50/50 chance, and if he doesn't die tonight, does that increase the likely hood he is mafia? So let me put it in easier terms, math. If there is three mafia shots, three town will die at night + the mislynch leaving us in a really bad spot for tomorrow. If there is two mafia shots, we're still in a bad spot for this next lynch and the following lynch after will really be the game breaker. If there is one mafia shot, we have three cycles to play. If he's already claiming something, then I rather take it as mafia who has a solid chance of surviving all three cycles if he's "unlynchable". My town read is because Vivax town read you early into the game, and you've only been trying to get him lynched, which is even odder to me since it's both you and Tictock pushing for Vivax without any dialogue happening between you too. Huh? Mafia can't shoot multiple people in a night. I don't see how trying to lynch someone who TOWN-READS me is scummy since that means I'm trying to vote off someone who isn't going to vote for me...at a time when I'm being discussed as a lynch candidate. In no world does that make me mafia. TT is American iirc, I'm from the UK. We're not usually on at the same time ^^ | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:07 Vivax wrote: After reading a bit of TT I will have to agree that there is a scummy stink to his posts. I think he jumps on things purely for looking blatantly inconstructive which is easy bait for mafia. And I'd want to get this unlynchable business out sooner rather than later as that's the only reason I didn't take a bit of a look at him until now. ??? Why did you go from thinking ShoCkeyy is mafia to agreeing with him that TT is scummy? | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:17 ShoCkeyy wrote: How do you know they can't shoot multiple times? it doesn't say it in the rules, it just says this: Option A - 1 blue role , 9 vanilla town, 3 vanilla mafia Option B - 2 blue role , 8 vanilla town, 1 mafia roleblocker, 2 vanilla mafia Either two vanilla, or three vanilla, and from the Role PM, it seems like all three can shoot. You probably didn't check because it will be handed to you through mafia QT... along where you and Tictock maybe conversing even though you're on "different" time zones. Because it's 13P and mafia always gets 1 KPN in 13Ps otherwise it'd be unbalanced? You can look at every recent 13P game to verify this. Your 'evidence' for scum-reading TT and I is very weak. With that in mind, your unnatural level of confidence in TT/ Calix scum-team comes across as very forced and try-hard as if you're overcompensating for knowing that I'm town. | ||
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On June 27 2018 22:29 ShoCkeyy wrote: Of course you would say it's "try-hard" when you're getting scrumread along side with your buddy. You're scum reading me, and I'm scum reading you, isn't that the point? Isn't that what you did all day yesterday? Lol... But I'm not wrong. I'm saying your level of confidence in your scum-read doesn't square up with the evidence provided. Which shows that you're making things up. I still don't know why you scum-read me individually and saying "because you're on a team with TT" shows very superficial thinking. Are you saying you're scum-reading me for scum-reading you first? I don't know how to interpret your last sentences otherwise. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 22:37 CopCake wrote: I am sorry Calix, my answer might come of the one of an ass but your answer about me initially asking you then must habw been boring or not satisfying because I dont remember. It didnt make me thing “Oh well this read is good maybe Calix is town” but it didnt happen. The only universe I can think of you being town is if Rayn is mafia. Talking with you is a waste of time then. You don't assess what I'm saying, only how what I say makes you feel. P.S: That "if it's not X player it must be Y" association is terrible and you should never make those sorts of reads ever. | ||
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Calix
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On June 27 2018 22:44 ShoCkeyy wrote: The evidence is there if others want to look, like Vivax. He actually took a look and saw what I saw. You can interpret the last sentence however you want. You cannot be serious. Instead of trying to explain yourself to others so that they can understand where you're coming from, you deliberately leave things vague and up to interpretation. Even though, from your POV, I'm either misreading you (as town) or I'm intentionally misrepresenting your posts (as mafia). I don't see how a townie makes this post ever. So I'm just going with ShoCkeyy/ Vivax/ ??? for my current scum reads. I'd like some thoughts on ShoCkeyy/ Calix from the rest of the thread please. | ||
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