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***** Calix *****
Let’s start with post 61 of this game.
He calls that Gemma/Reg post was
- premade -
- before the game -
Idk, it is so strange to me that he “excused” them
On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that.
Then it is funny at post #172 Calix quotes conversion why him is voting for HF (at the moment I think I was saying that HF looked mafia) and his answer is this “Because I can but now I have changed my mind and I am voting copcake”
So I need TL people here, is Calix able to vote HF as a joke? Just gor the lols for the sale of it or not? I need to check the time exactly when did he vote or why conversion made that post. I havent checked the voting thread but if there is a post of Calix voting for HF while HF was getting questioned then I need to know what changed his mind if it wasnt a joke? I mean it took Calix time to change his vote on me.
Then there is his case on the same post about me.
On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote:
@Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare Because I can. But I've changed my mind. ##Vote: CopCakeTwo reasons for this: 1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things. 2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine. I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this: Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote:
Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste?
Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah. This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here. A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression: + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote:
He had the same thinking process as me
- I have free time but no one will do shit
- Actually I will try to do work
- Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth. On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 11:45 Conversion wrote:On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote:
Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion.
I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything. I've done nothing but spam lynch Holyflare, so why am I townie to you? I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura. Yours is green. On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote:
Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie. On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:
Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place.
I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there. Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote:
Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people. In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town.
In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie. Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda. I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread.
1.- Cake is mafia because she makes stupid questioooonsss
2.- She makes many mistaked.
For me it looks he took advantage of me confusing him with conversion but whateves, the important part here is the bolded part.
“Rayn is calling me mafia but instead of clearing myself I am making a case of cake that I got out of nowhere”
If your vote at HF, once again, happened when I called him mafia or suspicious, then it makes no sense or little sense that you started to suspect but instead took an opportunity when I made a mistake to get heat on me and had rayn to look somewhere else.
Calix considers me also mafia even if I have the same read at mostcs, who got suspicious by everyone because of his question to me about rayn.
Let us not forget that his red part is what made him so suspicious of me, like he gave regfan/gemma space to be and not call them mafia at all for a premade post but me trying to think that maybe they are not mafia for a meme means then he in the beginning believed that regfan’s/gemma’s post was scummy, and if he believed that... why doesnt he called it out.
Wow so many conclusion I have gotten just filtering this post Lmao feeling confident of calling you mafia now but let’s move on to next posts.
- In post #177 Calix says I am mafia because I havent done any magia read because as mafia is harder to fabricate evidence for a town but literally, once again, my suspicious was on HF and if you voted for him not for the lols then...
I also have problems how Calix is forcing me in post #177 to vote for someone.
Post #187 and #189 seems like you were joking on the HF vote.
Post #212 you dont care about my old games, your read on me is because of this game and you dont care what other players have to say about me or what they know about my “meta” but hey 👋 you ask me about how I play, my last games with HF, etc. It seems that info is irrelevant to you or what others have to say, because it doesnt matter, in your eyes I am mafia because I mistook conversion for you and because I make stupid questions 😦
Post #214 Calix on suicide watch because his probably mafia buddy regfan made a very mafiaish post that even Gemma said so 😂
On June 26 2018 22:09 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 22:05 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 22:02 Regfan wrote:On June 26 2018 20:10 Calix wrote:I don't care about what kitaman did last game. I'm not kitaman nor am I scum. On June 26 2018 10:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that. If the underlined part is really what Calix believes, there is no reason to assume a mafia fakecliming to be a cop would not believe they don't have a N0 check (since that's how it clearly works where Gemma usually plays, and there are indications of that for anyone whop has ever played anywhere else since it's almost always how it works). So instead of writing the post off as non-alignment indicative any smart person -- again, believing what Calix clearly implies here -- would try to possibly catch a mafia in a lie by asking "so why don't you wanna claim your check now?" Calix has struck me as a player who digs into stuff and small discrepancies even when they possibly don't matter (especially in the game where i was mafia with bugs and oats), and this "ignorance" towards a possibly revealing discussion seems very un-Calix-like. So you say that I missed the possibility that mafia didn't read the OP and didn't know about the cop. Then say that "any smart person" (important qualifier that reveals you're not calling me mafia, just stupid) would have asked some questions instead of concluding it meant nothing. Then you make a very weak meta read that you're not really qualified to make. Forgive me if I'm not wowed by your analysis. I'm more convinced you're taking shots at me yet again as opposed to thinking you believe any of this makes me scum. I guess if Calix has a stronger wolf game then this post isn't something I would townread. I could be reading him on too low of a level. The reason I thought this was town was because I don't really think that's how wolves talk to people scumreading them very often. Like, there's discrediting the person pushing on you when you're mafia, and there's saying "I don't believe your scumread on me is real", and it takes two different breeds of wolves. lol this is the post that made me solidfy my read on calix vs cupcake Mainky because of how calix broke out of character to address rayn The tone is so different.. somewhat fearful compared to with ubk own cupcake I.e. hamming up aggression out of fear Did this guy who has literally never seen me play before just say that me being 'aggressive' is out of character? JFC. If I'm your scum-read then why aren't you trying to talk TO me here? I'm literally right here in the thread with you and you don't seem to give a shit.
This post is a jewel. Like before Calix was like “I dont care if rayn thinks I am mafia because I have a good case on cake” but his town read Mocca calls him out and he rages 🤗 so now Calix... do you care or not if people call you mafia? 👀 I mean you said you dont need to deffend yourself when you have a good case, right?
On June 26 2018 22:38 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 22:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 21:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote:
Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm.
Ask me again in an hour...
Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do. hf Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny But it's not funny and that's my point. If it's a joke it's trying too hard to blend in. If it's real it's unnatural. Just feels wrong no matter what to me. Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious.
Are you here calling here HF mafia? Because he is focusing too much on TT , I mean... if you called me mafia for notnhabing reads or for not pushing people I suppose you think HF is mafia. Just an “educated guess”
On June 26 2018 22:57 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 22:53 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 22:49 Calix wrote:On June 26 2018 22:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 22:38 Calidad x wrote:On June 26 2018 22:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 21:19 Mocsta wrote:On June 26 2018 08:09 Tictock wrote:
Meh, don't see the point when that is literally everyone but us atm.
Ask me again in an hour...
Actually n/m, pointless voting is pointless. I'll prob find some actual work to do. hf Reading this agaib.. i can sorta see tixtock writing the strike as a joke. Realising its stupid so writes the next part but decides to strike as he personally thinks ita funny But it's not funny and that's my point. If it's a joke it's trying too hard to blend in. If it's real it's unnatural. Just feels wrong no matter what to me. Do you have any other reads? You're bringing up TT a lot to try and explain what's essentially a tone read but without really pushing it, adding new reasons, looking at the bigger picture, etc, so I am curious. I think you're scummy and Vivax too since he created more discussion about the "pointless post" and made absolutely no conclusions on it. Regfan towny, mocsta looks not bad like last game, rayn also not bad. Cop I will never read anything other than confusing. Conversion is meh but I don't hate what he's said. No idea who else is in the game really so my reads are super weak. Why am I scummy exactly? I agree Vivax's post is bad. And how so re: Conversion? I think your original push on cop wasn't great and was pushed on really mediocre points too hard. I don't like how you kept it up while rayn was disproving it either. It feels like you're grumpy that you shouldn't be pushing copcake anymore rather than pleased it gets rid of a confusing person. You're more concerned with how you look than figuring out. How would I know CopCake is 'confusing'? I have no knowledge of her play. With this in mind, I can't see how you concluded what you did. Especially the part about me caring how I look.
And here you say that you dont care about my meta or rayn’s post but if HF says it then is ok.
I am done with this shit and filtering you, it is full of lies and conteadictions.
Obvious mafia is obvious.
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I am removing Mocsta from my town pool, until further notice.
That is all.
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On June 27 2018 12:50 Tictock wrote:
I am removing Mocsta from my town pool, until further notice.
That is all.
Elaborate?
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On June 27 2018 12:50 Tictock wrote:
I am removing Mocsta from my town pool, until further notice.
That is all. fair enough.
i prob should have written tubesock
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Also @slendy @rayn read Calix filter and my post up here.
Since I know you love me and respect me <3 you will take the effort to try to understand my point of view here.
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Rip game died when I am active.
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im here..
just nothing worth talking about.
like, standing on a box and yelling calix will probably lead to more people NOT voting that direction cos the good content will get lost in the noise.
the onyl relevant thing to me right now is if tictock (who i incorrectly wrote as tubesock before)
(1) believes i am null, and if so
(2) what in particular has steered him towards that conclusion as I presume it is to do with my calix analysis.
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Well, Calix is your lock mafia and your case was poor in that mini case you did.
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On June 27 2018 13:21 CopCake wrote:
Well, Calix is your lock mafia and your case was poor in that mini case you did. Really? How so?
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Well the fact calix called me out... out of nowhere doesnt seem exactly like he is copying you.
I just read your other case post #426 but I dont think just one post is strong enough to lock down someone as mafia lr toen. It is Calix progression and how he contradics what makes me think he is mafia.
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Like when HF didnt follow Calix on calling me mafia is when he stopped to pressure me, but when rayn did it was the opposite, in fact he said he doesnt care about my meta but when HF said I was confusing he was like “ok master HF” 🤗
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Yea it was these couple of posts.
On June 27 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:Im re-reading the game before continuing where I finished last night (circa p13). Apologies if this is cock-blocking active discussion. Show nested quote +On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that.[/] On June 26 2018 09:50 Regfan wrote:
I've played a little over 20 games, although most of them I wouldn't qualify as real games. I'm from Westeros, where we play alted games with usually pretty short deadlines. Regfan has been mentoring me for a while now, and my love for process comes from him. I'm good at some of the things he's terrible at, like having a personality, and he's good at some of the things I'm terrible at (nothing comes to mind right now), so we complement each other pretty well I think.
-G I'm going to go out on a limb that Regfan is town because of this interaction (and how important it is to Gemma later in D1 when talking to Rayn). Gemma got so "horny" to share some info about herself - which in her mind is pivotal to town success; that she later interprets the post from Calix to be (positively) conclusive; when merely it is asking for token info that could be discerned as the game progresses. I can't picture a world where mafia would BOTH lap up the opportunity to talk about themselves AND strongly advocate the post as a basis for town+scum reads. Definitely one or the other, but not both.
This town read makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that I am probably a little tunneled on Reg myself, possibly even just due to the Hydra thing, but this feels super forced.
& Post #426, his Calix case, which kept breaking my post for some reason.
It feels off how Mocsta is presenting these things from basically the begging of the game like he just discovered them. I could maybe see the first one but the second post about Calix's 3rd post feels more like something he dug up and realized he could write a whole bunch about it.
The post about Calix especially bugs me kus I brought this up withing the first few hours of the game, and eventually dismissed it as being rather flimsy. Mocsta was definitely around then, but had no reaction so it is so weird he is taking such emphasis with it now.
Idk, those posts gave me weird vibes when I read them and so I took a quick glance through Mocsta's filter. Everything just felt so flippant in his posts up until the last few hours, then suddenly a bunch of effort posts, a fairly shitty list post, and this "case" on Calix. By flippant here I mean there is no clear reads or direction in his posting. Feels like he suddenly decided to put out the effort.
There is a bit more, but I don't feel like writing a full essay here. And I already put it so eloquently in my last post.
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Oh actually I did almost forget one thing.
[B]On June 27 2018 00:14 Mocsta wrote: Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us? I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before. ... Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol. yes. That one game. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool
Calix was 100% right about this, my memory was faulty and I was getting Mocsta mixed up with Grack in This game. It's odd that Mocsta would have had no clue what I was talking about but still replied "yea that one." I would be willing to write this point off as whatever since it doesn't scream mafia, but you should remember Mocsta keeps using his meta as a basis to read me. So the fact he is so blase about which game we last played in is super off.
+ Show Spoiler +Side note: In the last game he was actually referring too, now that I remember, there was like 5 blues. I was rolecop and he was Vig. So the fact that I was doubtful of the claim does not represent the true extent of my ability to crazy tunnel.
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On June 27 2018 13:36 CopCake wrote:
Well the fact calix called me out... out of nowhere doesnt seem exactly like he is copying you.
I just read your other case post #426 but I dont think just one post is strong enough to lock down someone as mafia lr toen. It is Calix progression and how he contradics what makes me think he is mafia.
Firstly, I believe I may have called you out first, possibly even on the same page as Calix "case".
Secondly, I am not stating Calix is blatantly copying me or thread sentiment; however, if she did, thats more likely to be a town tell than mafia.
I am saying she is echoing thread sentiment with her own twist - which is so often a mafia thing to do, simply because it works.
Lastly, Calix argued the CopCake read quite vigorously, and talks about OMGUS, which leads to "tunneled"
I find that one of the key differences between how mafia and town walk away from tunneled reads is that:
mafia are focused on "perception/looking good" so will ensure things are said that look good superficially. Everything is clean and quoteable for future reference.
Town on the otherhand are a mess. You have someone that has focused so much energy on one outcome that the rest of the game is almost a non-entity and thus are stuck, and have none of the quotable references to walk out looking good.
For me, Calix says she is stuck, but is ensuring that this position is transparent in the thread.
That to me is pretty much the most mafia-sided mindset I have seen from anyone all game, which is a large chunk of why my vote is cast that way.
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I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now.
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On June 27 2018 13:56 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 13:36 CopCake wrote:
Well the fact calix called me out... out of nowhere doesnt seem exactly like he is copying you.
I just read your other case post #426 but I dont think just one post is strong enough to lock down someone as mafia lr toen. It is Calix progression and how he contradics what makes me think he is mafia.
Firstly, I believe I may have called you out first, possibly even on the same page as Calix "case". Secondly, I am not stating Calix is blatantly copying me or thread sentiment; however, if she did, thats more likely to be a town tell than mafia. I am saying she is echoing thread sentiment with her own twist - which is so often a mafia thing to do, simply because it works. Lastly, Calix argued the CopCake read quite vigorously, and talks about OMGUS, which leads to "tunneled" I find that one of the key differences between how mafia and town walk away from tunneled reads is that: mafia are focused on "perception/looking good" so will ensure things are said that look good superficially. Everything is clean and quoteable for future reference. Town on the otherhand are a mess. You have someone that has focused so much energy on one outcome that the rest of the game is almost a non-entity and thus are stuck, and have none of the quotable references to walk out looking good. For me, Calix says she is stuck, but is ensuring that this position is transparent in the thread. That to me is pretty much the most mafia-sided mindset I have seen from anyone all game, which is a large chunk of why my vote is cast that way.
I dont think you called me out, your question about me and rayn was pretty reasonable from my point of view because if I was in your position I would have probably done the same and Calix called me out for different things, stupid quesstioonSSSSS
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On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now.
Where is slendy in this?
Why do you suddenly protect Calix?
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@Cake
I will look into your case either as I go to bed, or when I get up in the morning.
But I want you to imagine if you thought there was even like a 70% chance Rayn was mafia, but you really weren't sure. Would you feel like the best lynch D1 would be Rayn?
This is an obvious appeal to emotion, but I think that is the best way to explain to you where I am sitting on Calix atm.
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TT dont lose meeeeeeeeee!
😩
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On June 27 2018 14:03 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:00 Tictock wrote:
I think I am also just pretty against lynching Calix today.
I still a bit of sus on her, but her play as the day has gone on has left me feeling like their is a solid chance she could be town here still.
Even if I was still toying with the idea of Calix being in my working Mafia team (which is purely just to keep my imagination going, I don't actually think I have a good chance at pinging the entire team D1), I would probably advocate against her lynch today as she is a bad player to lynch D1.
Honestly I really want to push town to do the smart thing for once D1 and kill off someone like Shokey or Koshi. Boxer deserves something worse than a lynch for signing up with an exclamation right before the game starts then not posting for most of D1 (assuming he does post and nothing truly terrible happened to him).
I also think Vivax is probably a fine lynch, and want more people to relook at Mocsta again since he's fresh on my mind now. Where is slendy in this? Why do you suddenly protect Calix?
I actually forgot there were so many people wasting space in this game. Geezus, can TL mafia ever do better than 1/3 of the game being afk?
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