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On June 27 2018 14:04 Tictock wrote:
@Cake
I will look into your case either as I go to bed, or when I get up in the morning.
But I want you to imagine if you thought there was even like a 70% chance Rayn was mafia, but you really weren't sure. Would you feel like the best lynch D1 would be Rayn?
This is an obvious appeal to emotion, but I think that is the best way to explain to you where I am sitting on Calix atm.
Are you dating Calix?
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On June 27 2018 14:04 CopCake wrote:
TT dont lose meeeeeeeeee!
😩
Dude, I just need to get some sleep. I'll be back later and prob even read a bit more after my shower and such.
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On June 27 2018 14:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:04 Tictock wrote:
@Cake
I will look into your case either as I go to bed, or when I get up in the morning.
But I want you to imagine if you thought there was even like a 70% chance Rayn was mafia, but you really weren't sure. Would you feel like the best lynch D1 would be Rayn?
This is an obvious appeal to emotion, but I think that is the best way to explain to you where I am sitting on Calix atm. Are you dating Calix?
Lol, no.
Just setting the stage.
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Then your appeal to emotion is useless and i dont see why you bother to ask me that when i have what I think is a good case.
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Oh before I shower I will say
@ Mocsta
Sorry I don't really do the whole interacting to sus people out. If I had any specific questions to you I'd ask, but I'm actually just mulling over my thoughts as I have them. I wasn't even going to elaborate on why I wasn't sure about you anymore till I had slept on it, but things just started flowing so I posted it.
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On June 27 2018 13:50 Tictock wrote:Yea it was these couple of posts. Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 07:46 Mocsta wrote:Im re-reading the game before continuing where I finished last night (circa p13). Apologies if this is cock-blocking active discussion. On June 26 2018 08:15 Calix wrote:
It was clearly written before he received his role because if he was an investigative role, he (or she, since this is Gemma?) would know that Cops on this site don't get N0 checks.
Thus it's not AI.
I would like to know more about the two players in the hydra though. How many games have they played, where are they from, stuff like that.[/] On June 26 2018 09:50 Regfan wrote:
I've played a little over 20 games, although most of them I wouldn't qualify as real games. I'm from Westeros, where we play alted games with usually pretty short deadlines. Regfan has been mentoring me for a while now, and my love for process comes from him. I'm good at some of the things he's terrible at, like having a personality, and he's good at some of the things I'm terrible at (nothing comes to mind right now), so we complement each other pretty well I think.
-GI'm going to go out on a limb that Regfan is town because of this interaction (and how important it is to Gemma later in D1 when talking to Rayn). Gemma got so "horny" to share some info about herself - which in her mind is pivotal to town success; that she later interprets the post from Calix to be (positively) conclusive; when merely it is asking for token info that could be discerned as the game progresses. I can't picture a world where mafia would BOTH lap up the opportunity to talk about themselves AND strongly advocate the post as a basis for town+scum reads. Definitely one or the other, but not both. This town read makes absolutely no sense to me. I get that I am probably a little tunneled on Reg myself, possibly even just due to the Hydra thing, but this feels super forced. & Post # 426, his Calix case, which kept breaking my post for some reason. It feels off how Mocsta is presenting these things from basically the begging of the game like he just discovered them. I could maybe see the first one but the second post about Calix's 3rd post feels more like something he dug up and realized he could write a whole bunch about it. The post about Calix especially bugs me kus I brought this up withing the first few hours of the game, and eventually dismissed it as being rather flimsy. Mocsta was definitely around then, but had no reaction so it is so weird he is taking such emphasis with it now. Idk, those posts gave me weird vibes when I read them and so I took a quick glance through Mocsta's filter. Everything just felt so flippant in his posts up until the last few hours, then suddenly a bunch of effort posts, a fairly shitty list post, and this "case" on Calix. By flippant here I mean there is no clear reads or direction in his posting. Feels like he suddenly decided to put out the effort. There is a bit more, but I don't feel like writing a full essay here. And I already put it so eloquently in my last post. ... Oh actually I did almost forget one thing. Show nested quote +[B]On June 27 2018 00:14 Mocsta wrote: On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us? I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before. ... Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol. yes. That one game. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool Calix was 100% right about this, my memory was faulty and I was getting Mocsta mixed up with Grack in This game. It's odd that Mocsta would have had no clue what I was talking about but still replied "yea that one." I would be willing to write this point off as whatever since it doesn't scream mafia, but you should remember Mocsta keeps using his meta as a basis to read me. So the fact he is so blase about which game we last played in is super off. + Show Spoiler +Side note: In the last game he was actually referring too, now that I remember, there was like 5 blues. I was rolecop and he was Vig. So the fact that I was doubtful of the claim does not represent the true extent of my ability to crazy tunnel. Hi TT,
Yes, you are a 'little tunneled' on Reg.
The hydra are clearly 2 different heads, but both have the same intent to be open in dialogue. I truly don't think that mafia get excited to talk about themselves such that it influences their reads of other players. Unless you are talking a Regfan/Calix scum pairing, even then, I still think its odd. You don't have to agree, but it is certainly not a forced position.
#426 was written as i think the intent of my ping and Rayns clarity went over most peoples heads.
It was an attempt to convey introverted intuition, and seems to have failed.
I thought your quote was relevant on a re-read which is why i included it.
To be honest, I can only see someone taking issue with this if they are concerned Calix is a mislynch and it will make them look bad. I would say only mafia could have that level of certainty on D1 so I really dont know where that puts us?
The stuff about the game, i dont see the issue. i said yes because I didnt think it mattered. You had no recollection of me, but I had a strong recollection of you. You may have been a rolecop, but I was actually confirmed. And every second post I made you called me town, and every other postyou called me scum. Its why I had you pegged as this guy that was accuracy. Once outside that permitted boundary, YOU ARE SCUM.
Ironically, this is what you appear to be doing now, so, keep it up! In my own & unique way, you are leaning more town.
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How things changed in an hr, I am questioning my super town reads now.
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On June 27 2018 14:10 Tictock wrote:
Oh before I shower I will say
@ Mocsta
Sorry I don't really do the whole interacting to sus people out. If I had any specific questions to you I'd ask, but I'm actually just mulling over my thoughts as I have them. I wasn't even going to elaborate on why I wasn't sure about you anymore till I had slept on it, but things just started flowing so I posted it. Thats ok, i appreciate that you replied
What you presented was reasonable to me on the assumption you are tunneled. Put another way, beter than calix stuff by a long way.
Sleep on it and see where we get to tomorrow.
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On June 27 2018 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Then your appeal to emotion is useless and i dont see why you bother to ask me that when i have what I think is a good case.
Wait that would have made a difference to you?
My point was that I'd put Calix, Rayn, and HF as a similar calibure of player, actually I have that sense about Regfan as well.
I don't think one day of discussion is sufficient to determine their alignment.
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On June 27 2018 14:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Then your appeal to emotion is useless and i dont see why you bother to ask me that when i have what I think is a good case. Wait that would have made a difference to you? My point was that I'd put Calix, Rayn, and HF as a similar calibure of player, actually I have that sense about Regfan as well. I don't think one day of discussion is sufficient to determine their alignment. Well thats truly insulting now for me isnt it....
fuck off to bed now please.
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On June 27 2018 14:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 14:10 CopCake wrote:
Then your appeal to emotion is useless and i dont see why you bother to ask me that when i have what I think is a good case. Wait that would have made a difference to you? My point was that I'd put Calix, Rayn, and HF as a similar calibure of player, actually I have that sense about Regfan as well. I don't think one day of discussion is sufficient to determine their alignment.
Oh I get it now, so Calix is smart as rayn and HF.
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arg, and yes I realize my vote is still on Reg
I never said I wasn't a hypocrite myself, but in my defense I am trying to figure out who is actually a good lynch today right now.
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Still answer my question why slenderman is out of your lynch pile pls?
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On June 27 2018 14:17 Tictock wrote:
arg, and yes I realize my vote is still on Reg
I never said I wasn't a hypocrite myself, but in my defense I am trying to figure out who is actually a good lynch today right now. Aside from the valid slenderman comment.
I would appreciate your take on #454
Prob tomorrow as you seem somewhat biased right now against anything I write.
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I am going to play with the idea that Gemma didnt know reg was mafia and just posted that beautiful meme and Mafiacalix tried to fix it.
I mean even Gemma herself called out regfan in a post.
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On June 27 2018 14:25 CopCake wrote:
I am going to play with the idea that Gemma didnt know reg was mafia and just posted that beautiful meme and Mafiacalix tried to fix it.
I mean even Gemma herself called out regfan in a post. I will pay that as something I could entertainment.
Not for a D1 lynch though.
That type of shit is really pushing the limits of acceptable fair play though. I would really hope that isnt the case.
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I'm mostly caught up to date, want to do a bunch of rereads and still haven't heard much from Gemma when I get home from work in ~4 hours; we've scheduled a time later tonight to talk over our reads/thoughts at least.
Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces.
-> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not.
-> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere.
-> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily.
- R
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@Regfan,
Gemma aside, where are you at with Calix, Vivax and the content from p20 to 24.
Are you advocating to lurker/afk lynch for D1? Which inadvertently suggests, all actives are town-ish?
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Planning on doing some ISO's and deeper read thoughts on the more active players when I'm not at work to decide where I want to go today, also think a conversation with Gemma there is massively needed.
Current headspace is that I'm very confident (Bet the game level) that there's never more than 1 scum inside of Rayn/Calix/Cake, have Rayn/Calix as non-aligned, Rayn/Cake as non-aligned and Calix/Cake as non-aligned meaning it's going to take a looooot to convince me to lynch inside that grouping since the odds of hitting mafia outside of that is significantly higher.
- R
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On June 27 2018 14:28 Regfan wrote:
I'm mostly caught up to date, want to do a bunch of rereads and still haven't heard much from Gemma when I get home from work in ~4 hours; we've scheduled a time later tonight to talk over our reads/thoughts at least.
Going to dump some thoughts in my breaks at work so this'll come out in bits and pieces.
-> Not remotely a fan of Koshi's entrance and posting so far, his buddying up to Rayn in particular is problematic given if Rayns town here I'm not seeing eye to eye with a fair chunk of his reads and can easily see mafia taking advantage of that as well as using him as an excuse to not have to actually post readable content. Would like others to let me know if this is just TypicalKoshiThings or not.
-> Shockeeys posts thus far aren't much better than Koshis, dislike that his posts suggest he's already got around to reading parts of the thread but seeing little to no thoughts from him yet. Am very much hoping it's a case of him working towards a bigger catch up post but otherwise can see him easily being scum that's trying to coast through the day while focus is elsewhere.
-> Box & Slendy being no-shows so far isn't great at all given we're more than half way through the day phase. Even moreso disappointing from Slendy given he's a large part of the reason I joined this game and was someone I thought I'd be able to still get a grip on and read even after all this time relatively easily.
- R
Meh, the only person I'm not feeling is tictock, they have "six" scum reads, me being included which I haven't done much like you said, and seem very indecisive when trying to pin some one as mafia, then the whole "I'm unlynachable" doesn't sit well. It's still early in D1 to tell, we have till 6pm EDT tomorrow before I actually make any decent reads unlike how everyone is at each others throats D1 calling each other scum instead of working together to find scum lol... but yea, that bigger catchup post will happen.
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