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On June 27 2018 00:18 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
And the only reason cop isn't mafia is because rayn/copcake doesn't make sense together??? No. I didn't hate some of CopCake's later posts and her tone's gotten better.
Which ones specifically?
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On June 27 2018 00:14 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:12 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
Not sure this is AI, but this is your recollection of me based on that bastard game where You, me, and DF got our own QT and I convinced myself you were mafia based off the ring nonsense the hosts threw at us? I'm just not sure I've ever seen anyone describe my playstyle like this before. ... Heh, it just now strikes me that we are both referring to this as "not sure if AI", lol. yes. That one game. I was confirmed town and you refused to change ya view kn the world It stuck with me lol I will filter dive you on d2 as you arent in my d1 pool
Wait, I'm confused. Wasn't that Grackaroni in the QT chat with DF and TT? Mocsta wasn't even in that game.
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On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town?
It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"?
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I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.
Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.
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On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.
Fine, for starters expalin to me why the fucking fuck should i EVER EVEN THINK of googling a post or some other shit like that in a mafia game just to see if someone has posted it before?
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Like that is the most fucking bs i have ever read in my life Vivax.
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On June 27 2018 00:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:18 Calix wrote:On June 27 2018 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
And the only reason cop isn't mafia is because rayn/copcake doesn't make sense together??? No. I didn't hate some of CopCake's later posts and her tone's gotten better. Which ones specifically?
The posts where she was engaging with me, asking me questions, not coming at me with her mind already made up, etc. In retrospect, I think she wasn't trying to smear me or push an agenda as much as get answers. Therefore less likely to be mafia.
And I liked her last post (#284 as of writing this) where she defends herself but still 'pushes' back and isn't meek.
This is one of those 'fee-fee' reads which are hard to convince others with but I hope you see where I'm coming from if nothing else ^^
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On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"?
I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it?
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On June 27 2018 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs. Fine, for starters expalin to me why the fucking fuck should i EVER EVEN THINK of googling a post or some other shit like that in a mafia game just to see if someone has posted it before?
Cause conversion said it was copypasta right when you were ITT.
While I was reading that part I googled a snip of that text myself and found it on several mafia sites. Then I saw you trying to pick it apart.
I didn't find it particularly alignment indicative but the entire discussion stemming from it seemed like a waste of space to me cause you got trolled hard. So I dropped in to mention that.
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On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.
Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs.
Where have I not explained my reads?
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On June 27 2018 00:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.
Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs. Where have I not explained my reads?
You vote me after I criticize your post so there is no apparent reason for you to SR me except ditto?
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On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it?
I like it?
Why don't you?
Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer?
Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now?
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Vivax am i town or mafia?
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On June 27 2018 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:28 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 27 2018 00:18 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 26 2018 23:52 Holyflare wrote:On June 26 2018 14:59 Mocsta wrote:
Following a re-read:
(1) I was perhaps a touch OMGUS towards Regfan. I dont think this is the best place for a vote so ##Unvote
(2) i don't have a strong opinion on game state. If anything, the activity and content has been really good.
- Things like HF read fine to me.
- Rayn play so far, is highly reminiscent of the game just finished. If i had to call one player town, it would be Rayn.
(3) Things I am uncertain of with low care factor
- Conversion: purely a heuristic where after such a long self-ban. I thought he would be itching to do more than just throw some randoms hit around.
- Tictock: because whilst I liked the later posts, it is still not reminding me of the last game I played with him where I vividly remember him as this guy that is all about "accuracy" and his "own logical model". In fairness, the environment of the game state is somewhat different, so im still battling whether this is alignment indicative or not.
(4) Things I am uncertain of with moderate care factor (Calix + CopCake).
- Calix: for the reasons already expressed in the thread. Which will be easy to prove/disprove once active.
- CopCake: has some early exchanges that on a second read I took as pocketing. I need to think about this more, but is just giving me some vibes of things that I personally try to do when mafia.
(5) I still think Regfan are focused heavily on things that I don't think are important to scum hunting; and definitely are giving a different weighting to things early game than myself. But this doesn't make them mafia. I am struggling with reading the hydra pairing somewhat as I find them DRASTICALLY different. Even if they were mafia, I would rather lynch them as the second or third because of that uncertainty. I was ready to scum read mocsta for his "redundant post" and because he scum read regfan who looked quite not scummy but then he made this post. I think the regfan reevaluation is really towny since nobody was countering his arguments and there's no need to posture that regfan could be town if mocsta was mafia. I also didn't have a strong lean on anyone else really and most of what he says here echos what I just said a few posts ago. Just the points he says to look into slowly started going from opposite of what I was thinking to converging to my skim through. ugggghhhhhhhhhhh........ this is annoying. this is probably the only post i can see mocsta making as mafia. Why is it annoying rather than him just being town? It is not about Mocsta, it's because i was starting to think you are town and now i don't know. Where ever does Holyflare completely discard a post where a person says "i am gonna lay off from my scumread" and then end the post with "this is still basically my top scumread"? I mean, he doesn't. He just acknowledges that his initial points were shit and then makes the point you've been repeating that the hydra heads don't align in their thoughts. So why don't you like it? I like it? Why don't you? Why do you like him saying he isn't sure but still hasn't got anything better to offer? Once again, this isn't about Mocsta for me. You call him mafia every game regardless of his affiliation for the stuff he says that is irrational or "irrational". Why are you so agreeable now?
Wait HF can you be more specific how you perceive that specific post of Mocsta's
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Not a fan of Calix's case on Cake. Partially kus I think Cake is almost lock town for me.
Her points feel more nitpickey than insightful though, like she isn't sure how or what to address in the game. Her first point is weak as both Town and Mafia can ask weak questions, and I disagree that Cake hasn't done anything to advance the game. She has clearly given her own opinions and seems to be openly weighing in on things.
I think I need Calix to give better examples of what she means by Cake making excuses for others kus I don't know what she is referring too.
The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming.
Kinda disappointed, I think Calix likely rolled mafia this game and is struggling with her time constraints. Was hoping to play with her as town.
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Like you think it's weird for me to pick that post out so what? Nowhere is explained why I'm more likely to do that as mafia or ignore that later you switch your read on Mocsta which by the way was and should be completely irrelevant to me . What matters to me is that I was thinking you picked on mocsta for the wrong reason simply cause the post didn't seem redundant to me and I believed that your actual genuine reason was that he was painting you mafia.
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On June 27 2018 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax am i town or mafia?
I don't know might take a guess later.
Why is this relevant?
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On June 27 2018 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2018 00:29 Holyflare wrote:On June 27 2018 00:22 Vivax wrote:
I remember vividly HF complaining in a chat we had that the new player batch tended to say "x is scummy y is townie" without explaining why.
Yet now he does it himself and everyone around him as well. I explain pretty much every reason for a post being scummy or townie, as simple as the reasons may be.
Basically none of you seem to give a shit about the though process behind my posts. You just call them scummy or townie as it suits your needs. Where have I not explained my reads? You vote me after I criticize your post so there is no apparent reason for you to SR me except ditto?
I thought it was seld evident from what I wrote. Your entry into the thread has been mediocre, you have like 4 posts and one of them is picking out copcake and specifically a post I thought was one of the townier ones she has made. You then criticise a post I made but seemingly for no reason since you haven't attached a read to it nor have given a read on me at any point (maybe even town read on me by virtue of what you just wrote on mocsta).
It's worse because the specific point you raised about my post is:
Already fully explained why it is redundant
Already moot by virtue of my follow up points
A self evident post on why it is redundant
Pretty much, I do not like the posts you've chosen to comment on nor do I like the conclusions you are drawing. Feel free to change my mind though.
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On June 26 2018 20:17 Regfan wrote:
Alright, well, I'm pretty sure Calix is town, I'll let Regfan sanity check me on that when he's back tomorrow I guess.
-G
What makes you think this based on her 4-5 posts at this point? She has really only given us this case on Cake and a reaction to Rayn's read on her with very little substance at this point.
Reg/Calix/+1
Feeling better and better about this.
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On June 27 2018 00:35 Tictock wrote:
The pointing out inactives stuff is weak as well. I've seen both mafia and town do this so it is not very AI. The point would be stronger if that was ALL cake had posted, but it is far from the only thought Cake has presented so I find this pretty underwhelming.
I didn't touch this before for someone else to debunk that shit aswell. well this isn't exactly it but like.. If you read Cake's posts she has either a townread or "non-scumread" on every player who has posted so far other than Calix, Holyflare and Regfan. Regfan is already at least "moderately pressured" by Mocsta at the time. Calix is the same, by me and Mocsta.
If you don't think anyone else is mafia, who do you want to pressure as town?
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