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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 08:32 GMT
#1802
like, im genuinely concerned we could be in LYLO tomorrow and a shit fest with prob-town but unknown position slenderman, the afk Koshi, and "keeps catching up" shockee.

which is ~50% of the vote.

For me, the lynch which gives us the most INFO and resolutions is calix vs shockeey.

Without this, i think we will still be at each others necks tomorrow.

Without the TT modkill i was 100% calix.. now im not so sure
shockee filter is pretty much tunnel vision.
1 iffy town read on vivax, and the rest is blinkers non-stop and using others cases as a push.

##Unvote
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 08:40 GMT
#1805
On June 30 2018 17:38 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 17:32 Mocsta wrote:
like, im genuinely concerned we could be in LYLO tomorrow and a shit fest with prob-town but unknown position slenderman, the afk Koshi, and "keeps catching up" shockee.

which is ~50% of the vote.

For me, the lynch which gives us the most INFO and resolutions is calix vs shockeey.

Without this, i think we will still be at each others necks tomorrow.

Without the TT modkill i was 100% calix.. now im not so sure
shockee filter is pretty much tunnel vision.
1 iffy town read on vivax, and the rest is blinkers non-stop and using others cases as a push.

##Unvote


Did you not make lots of posts where you called a bunch of ShoCkeyy posts townie? Can you walk me through how your thoughts have changed since the last filter dive and now?
yeah im ashamed to say

But it was all associayion reads on tt being mafia.

So i got horny on this guy being on point.

Now tt is town. His filter is reduced to never evaluating anything outside that.

Rubbish for halfway through day2

Thats the phone tldr

I also never liked him extending his calix case by referencing me plus rayn.
When noone liked my case
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 08:51 GMT
#1808
Im doing dinner duties with 2 kids

And im never available for the 8hrs before lynch

Can you please help me out and link the relevant posts you want me to read through
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 09:27 GMT
#1811
On June 30 2018 18:06 Calix wrote:
And Mocsta, how have you not realised that you can't unvote without having a new target to vote? lol

Doesnt it jusr go back to me?

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 09:41 GMT
#1813
I read this much more carefully and like if shockeyy is scum it lokks bad.

Without that. I need to dive conversion to see what ither posts occured.
Like. J didnt interpret him to use the unlyncahble thing tk get back on tt
It read to me like he was responding to someone

I have noted to check though tmwhether both conversion and holyflare stated shcokeey was town after the d1 flip.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 09:41 GMT
#1814
Tl dr.. im not sold yet

I dint find it a bad case but i do find it association based

Will go through filter soon
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 10:13 GMT
#1818
#1815
If you believe the medic claim. That line of reasoning is silly

Btw i think rayn is vig that held shot and reaction fished hf

Meh. Irrelevant
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 10:27 GMT
#1841
On June 30 2018 17:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
And hf

Can calix and shockey ever be on the same team??
and this one too please.
for hf again
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 10:27 GMT
#1842
On June 30 2018 17:26 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
On June 30 2018 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

You had no scum reads b4 tt was modkilled

Where are u now?


no scum reads

probably calix I guess
why am i not scum?

like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile?
for hf again
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 10:49 GMT
#1850
Koshi

Do you have a read on calix after that case

And where do you stand on shockeey
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 10:52 GMT
#1852
On June 30 2018 19:32 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 19:27 Mocsta wrote:
On June 30 2018 17:26 Mocsta wrote:
On June 30 2018 17:00 Holyflare wrote:
On June 30 2018 16:47 Mocsta wrote:
Hf

You had no scum reads b4 tt was modkilled

Where are u now?


no scum reads

probably calix I guess
why am i not scum?

like if conversion and others think i am, surely, i should be in your pile?
for hf again


Your reactions seem genuinely offended rather than fake offended. You're still trying to salvage some sort of game and ask questions. That's the reason I'm not scum reading you currently.
so put yourself jn conversion world.
Is it acceptable to throw my name around as a lynch option.

And if calix/shockee arent a pair
If calix is lynched as mafia. Does this indicate a team?
If shockee is lynched as mafia. Does this lock conversion?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 11:03 GMT
#1858
On June 30 2018 19:54 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 19:49 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

Do you have a read on calix after that case

And where do you stand on shockeey

Gimme time. I am discussing the book sapiens with gf while reading this. Brain overload.

I think I can vote Calix after reading filter last 3 pages. Not convinced on Shockey or Conversion being mafia based on her filter alone. And I can sense when somebody is mafia from somebody else their filter
but the last 3 pages is more than a case on conversion.

U know tt flipped town?
I believe calix was top lynch on d1 and tryed to stop a tt wagon??

I await your dive on shockee.

I have about 2 hrs before i duck off. Then im not back till after lynch.
I need as much as info by thrn as my vote will be my final.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 11:12 GMT
#1859
On June 30 2018 19:56 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 19:50 Koshi wrote:
On June 29 2018 17:42 Calix wrote:
For the people who are short on time, here's a TL;DR of what convinced me to write a giant wall-post in the first place:

Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.

After some thought,TT is unremarkable and does his whole unlynchable shtick, but I doubt mafia would do that on a day where people get lynched for more inane reasons than that.

Tictock’s unlynchable bit bothered me and then he chooses to completely ignore the fact that I wasn’t trying to actually policy you and make up some crap about how I perceive you when playing together


Essentially he changed his mind on TT and uses a reason that he already said didn't make TT mafia.

This looks like shit on shit. Conversion said retardedthings. And you piled on on that.


His TT posts ARE terrible though and don't look like a townie with a legitimate scum read or progression on him. Check his filter for yourself and tell me he actually believes what he's saying about TT.

Go on, I'll wait.

In the meantime, I will draw more attention to this:

Show nested quote +
Why I don't like it is I don't see town motivation in trying to soft that you are unlynchable for whatever reason. Just bleed green through your play, not trying to bait mafia shots. I'm pretty sure I historically found it scummy when someone tries to draw mafia shot by vague nonsense like that.


To anyone reading this, think about why someone might want to add a sentence that says "I'm pretty sure I used this reasoning before to scum-read someone."
yes that was legit point i thought before
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 11:36 GMT
#1860
On June 26 2018 16:06 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 11:46 Conversion wrote:
@Calix explain why you are on the glorious train to victory by voting Holyflare


Because I can. But I've changed my mind.

##Vote: CopCake

Two reasons for this:

1) Asks stupid questions. This is self-explanatory. She hasn't asked anything that would actually advance the game forward. But they are questions you make when you want to LOOK like you're doing things.

2) Makes excuses for way too many players in way too short a time period which she is probably doing because she has TMI and knows that the players are being genuine.

I'll try and explain the part that first made me suspicious. The several posts she made where she claimed Regfan's post was a joke would seemingly imply that Regfan's post isn't AI (since it's just a joke). But then she says this:

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 10:31 CopCake wrote:
Also rayn I wouldnt take that post seriously (the huge lne) someone also said it is a copy paste?

Like he probably tried to be funny but failed, I mean no mafia would put effort to say “hey I am a seer?” When there is a real one so yeah.


This stood out to me because in the same sentence, she says it's a joke ('probably tried to be funny') but then also gives reasoning that implies Regfan is town for 'putting effort into claiming seer when there is a real seer'. I do not understand how she concludes that a 'meme' or 'joke post' makes someone town just because they put a lot of effort into it. Especially when she says straight afterwards that it is "probably a meme". The thought process seems a bit inconsistent here.

A lot of her posts either make excuses for players or town-read them a bit too easily for my liking. I think it's because she knows they're town and thus KNOWS they're genuine. Here are some examples of where I got this impression:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 26 2018 10:44 CopCake wrote:
He had the same thinking process as me

- I have free time but no one will do shit
- Actually I will try to do work
- Oh look, a silly post by regfan, it is the more interesting shit but is not worth.

On June 26 2018 11:53 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 11:45 Conversion wrote:
On June 26 2018 10:29 CopCake wrote:
Tbh i was about to say ticktock seemed townie lol same with conversion.

I have problems with the big post, from regfan and how people reacted to it. I read it (well skimmed) and I was like “Literally that is fake for the little time”, seemed more of a dumb post/meme thing if everything.


I've done nothing but spam lynch Holyflare, so why am I townie to you?


I literally touch my screen, close my eyes and try to read your aura.

Yours is green.

On June 26 2018 12:20 CopCake wrote:
Nah, Mocsta question about why I asked that makes a lot of sense. It doesnt bother me at all, in fact it is pretty townie.

On June 26 2018 12:28 CopCake wrote:
Yeah it leans mafia, well not exactly how different gemma/reg are but the mini case of you seemed out of place.

I do think your question was reasonable from someone who doesnt know how close rayn and me are ^^ so dont worry there.


Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 12:29 CopCake wrote:
Like the person I want to put pressure is HF, Slenderman and let me see who else is inactive

Show nested quote +
On June 26 2018 12:30 CopCake wrote:
Koshi, Vivax and Boxer


I also hated these posts. We have this super-analytical start to the game, CopCake is in the thread as all this stuff is going down, and all she really wants to do is talk about inactives and defend people.

In conclusion, CopCake's early game and her attempts to hide how she isn't pushing the game forward is more likely to come from mafia than town.




In other news, I've only skim-read the thread and haven't filtered anyone but CopCake. I didn't understand raynpelikoneet's wall-posts on me or how anything he said makes me scummy, not gonna lie.

Mocsta seems townie to me but the main reason I say this is because he's posting differently from his last game (where he was mafia). His tone seems more natural and carefree to me and I don't get the impression he's pushing any kind of agenda.

I haven't properly read the cases put forth by HF, Regfan, Mocsta, rayn, whatever, so no opinion on those until I reread.
i would like another opinion on my observation

This presents very similar to calix case on conversion
By this i mean the flow of thoughts and the emphasised conclusions.

I think its relevant as one case was written with no pressure and the other as a wagon. Yet her mindset is consisteny = honest / pure.

I realise i am referring to 2 posts in a 12 page but i do find this observation to strongly favour town mindset.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 11:53 GMT
#1861
On June 27 2018 23:49 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2018 23:42 Holyflare wrote:
Why am I not being scum read? :D


Talking to me?

I am assuming you're asking why I'm not calling you mafia despite your play somewhat matching what I think mafia does, I don't think you not doing much on D1 means anything other than you being busy because you're more than capable of curb-stomping the thread towards my mislynch if you really wanted to.

I haven't properly read your filter but I remember one moment where it looked like you were preparing to attack Mocsta and then you saw a post from him and said "nah" and it looked kinda townie to me. Because you gave yourself the opportunity to go after someone and try and get them lynched while disturbing the 'town circle' and looking like you're doing something. And you didn't take it.

Also because you're not D1 lynch material and you haven't really done anything scummy to make me change my mind so I'm fine to let you do whatever for the time being.

So yeah.
sigh this is legit about hf
Like as mafia he really had no need to drop his read on me
No need at all

I still would have thought he would be biting onto something at this point of the game though.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 11:57 GMT
#1862
On June 28 2018 01:54 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2018 00:44 CopCake wrote:
Before I forget because I am going to work

Ticktok’s suddenly change of heart on calix was pretty strange. Like if he knew from the beggining Calix was like a “Super God” playing mafia why didnt he say thay since the beggining? It would give me another background. I also didnt like his smooth talk of “appeal to emotion” towards wanting me to change my vote.


I'm not a god-tier mafia player though, lol. I don't know how TT has that impression of me.

I don't want to lynch TT and don't like how that might become an alternative to myself + Show Spoiler +
(this is based on my impressions of the thread: I actually have no idea who is the lynch right now)
when there aren't any compelling reasons to kill him from what I remember. What I mean is that I've seen a lot of anti-TT posts but I can't actually remember many of them and the ones I can remember weren't convincing.

If one of the people scum-reading him wants to explain why he's mafia or make an actual case instead of unremarkable one-liners then I'll try hearing you out. But right now, no way.
IMPORTANT post

I think this stems as the core of the whole tt/calix team

But with tt town. Read this post carefully

I have read calix d1 filter carefully and her position is ABSOLUTELY consistent and predictable.

calix. Welcome to my town circle
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 12:32 GMT
#1873
On June 30 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I should be the easiest mislynch to push, dunno why nobody is pushing it hard.
can you please review the posts and conclusion i made on calix

I would like your opinion
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 13:14 GMT
#1894
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 13:19 GMT
#1896
On June 30 2018 21:14 Koshi wrote:
There is nothing in Shockeys filter that makes him mafia. Maybe it is too clean.. blah blah. He makes a lot of posts that solely imply he is town though. Saw like 4 of them easily.

Who is lynch nr 3?
.....

Reads like a town lean to me
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
June 30 2018 13:23 GMT
#1900
On June 30 2018 22:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2018 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
Koshi

How does conversion work if you believe shockee is town?

Like maybe i shouldnt rely on heuristics at eod2 but if copcake was scum. I expect rayn to have clued in by now. And frankly. I find her too polarising ti be scum. Bkg committment to do that thrkughtout the whole game.

Why wouldnt it work? And I do not believe shockey is town. His filter is just okay. But conversion filter is way worse. Dont say things I never said. Why you people do this I will never understand.

Shockey and conversion are 2 different playerd who both can be mafia or town.

The only persons who cannot be mafia together are Calix and Shockeyy. Or they are insanely bussing. Which is possible. Because everything is possible.

Vote people who have highest chamce to be mafia and go from there = thx
im not going to be around lynch

My focus is to put a vote on whom i think is scum and whom will get traction

I refuse to vote calix and could do 1 of shockee or conversion.

My preferred was shockee cos i think it clears calix and should make game easier to resolve
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