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On March 22 2018 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: Im not hunting the deer family!fecalfeast is my god sheeping is my religion ##Unvote ##Vote: Mocsta Now GTFO and chase those antler black market operators *whisper.. its Rels* | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:46 Holyflare wrote: The problem with your read is that its not different to early n00bking.Saw it, said nothing. You were definitely channeling noobking in that post. Your noobking re-entry was terrible. I do not for one second believe you see noobking's posting as better JUST NOW when everyone is off him as opposed to just before you left when everyone was beginning to un-scum read him. You are arguing semantics; and at no point are expressing motivation that aligns with mafia play. This routine is coming across as a charade. Like.. the way you are going about campaigning is what I expect from HF; but the context is a lot more fluffy than I expect from HF. Overall br0: you're still null to me. | ||
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umm, dunno what to say. i should have stuck to my post restriction, too much information put into thread, its hard to see what my final position is. OK, so for clarity. Im really concerned this game that a bunch of non-contributors could lead a wagon. Town really need to stop being selfish and work together around someone. I think a good core is rsoultin / Rayn / Kelsier. At least those are 3 of my most trusted reads that are capable of good logic. If I flip, please trust me that Slam is very unlikely to be scum. It should be sorta simple to filter-dive. I will leave it as that. I have no reason to doubt Disfo vet claim. I would have preferred he just said blue. but yet, i dont expect him to be a "best play" king either. OK thats it. Good luck. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:52 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. i cant believe I might be mislynched here. umm, dunno what to say. i should have stuck to my post restriction, too much information put into thread, its hard to see what my final position is. OK, so for clarity. Im really concerned this game that a bunch of non-contributors could lead a wagon. Town really need to stop being selfish and work together around someone. I think a good core is rsoultin / Rayn / Kelsier. At least those are 3 of my most trusted reads that are capable of good logic. If I flip, please trust me that Slam is very unlikely to be scum. It should be sorta simple to filter-dive. I will leave it as that. I have no reason to doubt Disfo vet claim. I would have preferred he just said blue. but yet, i dont expect him to be a "best play" king either. OK thats it. Good luck. | ||
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You are meant to be better than this. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:57 Holyflare wrote: And that makes me scummy because?It's not fucking propaganda, you literally just gave 0 scum reads as a "farewell" post. ZERO. | ||
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On March 22 2018 07:57 KelsierSC wrote: Good post. This should be looked into next cycle!you are here so change your vote to something relevant. | ||
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On March 22 2018 08:00 Holyflare wrote: I am this way because I missed 15 pages of filter and had to focus on survival.It makes you scummy because the 2 things you chose to talk about in your last dying moments don't help drive the game forward. It's scummy because the last 2 things you chose to talk about show that you have no real thought or will to lynch ANYBODY in a time that we need to lynch SOMEBODY. It shows you are mafia because when your ONE scum read falls out of flavour from the thread while you sleep you have NOBODY to back up onto because you haven't sewn any seeds or looked at anything else. It shows you're mafia because you haven't even looked elsewhere to even leave a last will when one mafia read falls away. It shows you're mafia because you chose to comment on Alakaslam the most incoherent person in this game that has no relevance to anything. That makes me town or scum. You are like vivax at the moment HF. And thats not an insult, its a fact. | ||
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Quite a few ghost or throw away votes as well. ykl, Ex0_, palmar, Koshi HF I still dont understand why you believe I am mafia. What you point out to me seems to revolve around you being read independently? I dont get it. Mafia can throw out good reads on town or scum. And town can throw out good reads on town or scum. If I happen to agree with something you said; why should that automatically you town? I really dont see any other argumentation being purported. | ||
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This is something I can work with. On March 22 2018 08:21 Holyflare wrote: I understand why you have this opinion - Its very consistent with holyflare logic, regardless of alignment. However, not everyone plays or interprets content the way that you do. It's absolutely unthinkable to me for your biggest scum read to be noobking based on a case I made and points you AGREED WITH ME on and points you continued to repeat yet I was just a "I don't like hf this game, dunno if scummy or not" read. That's bull shit. In this case, I stand by what was written above, in that: I can and will acknowledge points I do or don't agree with, independent of my read on the originator. I actually cannot comprehend how someone would veto an entire persons filter, because they lean scum. Perhaps a subtle point of differentiation I apply with you, is that I expect sound logic from holyflare, irrespective of alignment. Thus, that I agree with you on an item, does not in any way, shape or form trigger a lean town (or scum for that matter). What I look for with Holyflare is motivation to post that sound logic. Sometimes I need to see people lynched to get a better understanding of that outcome. This is why I would not declare you a lean either side. To be honest, I thought you treated me the same - so I suppose voicing this out makes me lean scummy on you somewhat. Regardless, I believe my filter is both transparent and consistent surrounding this; I have just applied verbosity to this reply. If someone makes a case that you are inevitably following and agree with then that person is always going to be bigger than a nothing/null read, always. Just by virtue of you seeing the same things. You do it multiple times to rsoultin where you say "Oh, look, mindmeld, we must be town!" but not once do you attribute the same thing to your read on me despite the noobking thing. Fair item to raise; however, I believe the similarities are superficial at best.n00bking: Your comments prompted me to investigate for myself. I reached my own conclusion, that yes, was similar to your read; but also what I would consider independent of your read. Mindmeld: Related to posts released by two people at the same time, with content completely unrelated to any active happenings, with the same intent. rsoultin and I have done this a couple times; as well as Kelsier. The key difference to the n00bking scenario, is that neither party prompted the other party. This is true thinking along the same lines; and I think is a super town tell (mainly cos scum find it really taxing to "solve" the game). Then there's the fact that you FORGOT your own points on noobking and said he looked better just to re-point out he was your biggest scum read. When the thread started unvoting him you felt the need to reiterate the fact that his posting was better despite ALREADY saying it. fair points to raise, but I also think scum are less likely to polarise a position like this. My position is that I am still wary of n00bking; not enough to be my primary lynch focus, but a finger of suspicion may be the best old-school word. This is actually a similar situation to Kelsier with ExO_. Tell me Will, why are you applying this tell as scum to me, and ignoring it with others?Then there's that whole about to die stuff which I don't think is towny in the slightest. I dont care. it might not be towny to you, but you have not communicated why its scummy. | ||
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On March 22 2018 08:48 Holyflare wrote: Are you slipping I wont be shot 2nite?Thing is Mocsta, I don't need you to retort my case against you. I just need you to do other stuff if you're town. I want to see who you scum read next and why. Want you to pick out info from this lynch on Rels where you base it from your perspective. I'll be waiting. | ||
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What do you make of Disfo blue claim? I would have expected you to have queried this given your clear scum lean on Disfo. Even moreso when Palmar began to question the validity. At minimum, I expected you to consider/espouse that the scum QT told Disfo to claim vet. Instead, you tell me that Disfo is blue & and state I am fake claiming because I claimed vet as mafia in the past.... On March 21 2018 20:00 Holyflare wrote: Disfo is in my scum pile I think. Not because I've read his posts - in fact I think he's said some things that align with what I've said - but because he hasn't waffled or said anything cool to me yet. On March 21 2018 22:32 Holyflare wrote: I find it hard to believe you would drop a hard read in disfo and ignore the claim because you are that focused on me. In fact, i think this is the type of juicy play you cant resist to comment on.... Also I'm now scum reading disformation quite a bit. Went filter diving and the following issues arose: Awkward entry into the game. No real reads till people started making them. All the reads he makes aren't waffles they are hedges. Not the good kind of hedges either. They are hedges that lean in one direction where he 50/50s a person IN ALMOST EVERY POST but then gives really off brand meta reasons to say they're town or whatever to complete the hedge because it looks like he can't think of in game reasons to be wrong. It's peculiar and scummy. | ||
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My tell on slam is not valid. /sorry | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/532111-classic-mafia?user=Tictock&view=all its actually a pretty shite filter. lots of fence-sitting, lots of apologies sorta like the guy wearing the hand-glove below. not just shouting from the sidelines, but shouting @ the people shouting from the sidelines... | ||
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On March 22 2018 11:05 Vivax wrote: the vig claim? dude, did i claim vig to stop my lynch? like.. blues would be reading the OP more carefully lol. There should be much better reasons to call me town.And fyi the only reason I stopped looking at you is your vig claim. Cause so far to me you look like you just pick things to argue about and spice up with antics or images but I don't get the feeling that you have a particular volition going for yourself. Yes, I am all over the place this game. Yes, I should have stuck to my post restriction. Yes, I should be less focused on the now. What do you actually want from me? Because, theres a difference between not having a particular volition due to uncertainty vs. lack of interest. We scum-hunt differently. You like laser-focus. I like patterns of behaviour. At no point have I tried to block you from pursuing your reads. Yes, I have had different opinions, but I have not tried to block. Again, not sure what you are seeking; but to claim the sum of my filter is scum bar a shitty claim is not good enough. | ||
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I dont have anything concrete to discuss, just some musings from EoD. - I think conversion is pretty towny for not OMGUS me. Really easy position to take as scum. - This post from + Show Spoiler [Kelsier] + On March 22 2018 07:38 KelsierSC wrote: voting is pretty interesting here, Im tempted to vote mocsta because if he flips scum then like most of the scum are on this conversion vote. Moosy jumping on it at the end is really fucking dumpster. - Of the non-trollers (e.g. FF/Moose etc) the person who seems to be the most forced / unnatural poster is Palmar. Also doesnt seem to really be invested in the lynch. This doesnt come across that great in filter, need to read in context of the thread happenings. Square peg in a round hole thing. Starts from p59 DarthFoley gets points for noticing this as well + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2018 07:25 darthfoley wrote: I'd also like to mention that I can definitely see Palmar being mafia here - DISFO: I havent filter-dived, but my gut feel says his tone has been consistent from start of day to the claim. i.e. i believe the claim - HF: Leaning town surprisingly. I think his progression onto me was quite organic. Im genuinely surprised im at this point now. - Rayn: im good with. I think hes really trying to be more receptive of others etc. I dont think he could maintain it for this long as scum. Having said that, I dont understand the DF issue. Read it a few times but keeps going over my head. - ExO_: my memory is fading, but like palmar, i dont think was invested in the lynch outcome - even as a candidate. Will double check this one if im alive tomorrow. Like its annoying when Rayn/Vivax/HF say i dont have strong (scum) reads. I have read into a lot of people this game, and keep coming up with town. Even with the above.. town, town, town. for heaps. like, I think a lot, if not all the actives this game are town, and 70 pages has been TvT. the good news is that after the culling this night, the lurkers (i.e. where scum must be) will have to start playing. TL;DR Palmar is at no point invested in solving the game; heavily apologetic, and I want to lynch. | ||
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Could kelsier and exo be scum v scum? Sigh | ||
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On March 22 2018 16:44 Vivax wrote: We've touched upon that already so not really a random thought. Touche Well just registered for me | ||
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