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Holyflare
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Koshi
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Koshi
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Noobking and fefe on HF? I think those people are closest to those scumreads. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Koshi
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Last game of the regular season started 15 mins ago. Going to watch it. I think I said everything I wanted to say. Slam Moosy rsoultin that is a hard 50/50 between Slam and Moosy. But HF has a good shot of being mafia. Actually he kinda doesn't becuase he is making me so angry I want to fucking murder his dumb shitty ass and that makes him meta town but w.e Just kill us both. gogo. gl hf once more. | ||
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Holyflare
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medics on me is dumb though because mafia will nk me now | ||
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darthfoley
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On March 11 2018 20:05 Holyflare wrote: He was also the first to claim medic iirc. nah, i was | ||
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darthfoley
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On March 11 2018 20:39 Holyflare wrote: Not true. Mafia are a man down and absolutely have to play catch up to prevent them being in this super amazing mass claim bs spot. Mafia have to kill two people to even be within a chance of getting back in the game. It's really optimal to try and bait out the heal and stack and nk another player than it is to just use a nk on a medic and get one kill. Killing a medic and fake claiming after also narrows down the pool further when the mass claim happens to it being a 1/3 chance the player is mafia instead of 1/4. Trying to stack and killing someone else is by far the most optimal nk. Killing AMG (no offense to AMG, he played very well and was easily town read imo) also shows that they were afraid that one of the top town players were going to be medic saved so in no way, shape or form were they expecting everyone to stack on prplhz since AMG is a fear kill. Shooting AMG gets an almost guaranteed kill and imo shows to me that their mindset was very much get as many kills as feasibly possible. The fact that not one of rsoul/vivax/df/hf died proves to me that df is not likely to be mafia over any other of the kills since if df was mafia I'd heavily expect them to nk into one of the other three. If you don't think i'm mafia, why am I one of the sacrificial medic lambs paired with n00bking? | ||
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Holyflare
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1) I reasoned myself out of it so I retroactively changed my stance after replying to noobking. 2) I did at the time think you were most likely to be mafia after noobking. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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good read as in it was good to read as in well-written or good read as in it's a good meta read? | ||
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darthfoley
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On March 11 2018 22:42 Koshi wrote: I'll explain this again to the not braindead people that might think HF has a point. My point is that IF HF is town. Mafia will believe that DF will get a medic on his ass. So they will put their medic on DF. Which means it is really odd DF didn't die because that means none of the 3 actual town medics believed HF while he was townread and joined HF. So the fact DF didn't die makes it very likely he is either mafia. Or he is actually a town medic. It's math. Now I think I had this thought already BEFORE the mass claims. So the fact DF claimed medic later makes my scenario lean towards the DF is town medic side. I hope everybody understand. It doesn't make DF lock town medic. But it makes sense. I don't know what people thought during the early night etc. But if HF is town. and if DF is town. And there are 3 mafia in the thread who see HF call a shot on DF. Then I do not believe that those 3 mafia fail to get 1 real town medic on DF. Or at least push the idea. I think it actually points towards HF being mafia knowing mafia medic is on DF and trying to gather support. But it is still possible DF is mafia and mafia didn't want it to happen. Actually DF you should think about this line of thought more. You know whether you are town :D. it makes sense not? If DF was a simple VT I don't think he surives the night normally. With 4 medics and a fakeclaiming medic calling a shot on him. I claimed medic day 1 m8 | ||
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darthfoley
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On March 11 2018 22:42 Koshi wrote: I'll explain this again to the not braindead people that might think HF has a point. My point is that IF HF is town. Mafia will believe that DF will get a medic on his ass. So they will put their medic on DF. Which means it is really odd DF didn't die because that means none of the 3 actual town medics believed HF while he was townread and joined HF. So the fact DF didn't die makes it very likely he is either mafia. Or he is actually a town medic. It's math. Now I think I had this thought already BEFORE the mass claims. So the fact DF claimed medic later makes my scenario lean towards the DF is town medic side. I hope everybody understand. It doesn't make DF lock town medic. But it makes sense. I don't know what people thought during the early night etc. But if HF is town. and if DF is town. And there are 3 mafia in the thread who see HF call a shot on DF. Then I do not believe that those 3 mafia fail to get 1 real town medic on DF. Or at least push the idea. I think it actually points towards HF being mafia knowing mafia medic is on DF and trying to gather support. But it is still possible DF is mafia and mafia didn't want it to happen. Actually DF you should think about this line of thought more. You know whether you are town :D. it makes sense not? If DF was a simple VT I don't think he surives the night normally. With 4 medics and a fakeclaiming medic calling a shot on him. Hmmmmmmmmmm | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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On March 11 2018 20:59 rsoultin wrote: Is there a specific reason this reminds you of that...i.e. a way in particular that he's playing...or is it just that you did it once and you were wrong? What he's doing reminds me of mafia noobking. In that game I thought he was town when he was Mafia and he hard pocketed me. Almost everyone else said he was mafia except for me so it was essentially me and noobking vs everyone else. I ended up defending him until I was modkilled for being toxic to people and calling them idiots and telling them to kill themselves. Because of that game I actually made a mental note before this game to NOT get pocketed by noobking because as a tone reader it's so easy to think he's town. Also I strongly suggest you relook your town read on him. Considering you were wrong on most things this game and you're being pocketed hard by him this game, you strongly remind me of me from that game. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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In the post game analysis when people were actually debating whether I should get a game ban or warning for telling people to kill themselves, Damdred said something along the lines of: "Moosy was just standard hard pocketed town he should just get warning" or something along those lines. I think that was also my second(?) game in this site so I was given just a warning for being an idiot and not knowing how to play the game. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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darthfoley
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I've played a few games with Vivax, albeit not recently, but I remember he is well known for being bad at scum. I also remember people saying in previous games "scum!Vivax can play decently for a day, at most two, but after that he becomes pretty obvious." Why wouldn't you have scum!Vivax claim medic during the mass claim? It effectively takes 100% of the pressure off of him for the next 2 days, not allowing him to put his foot in his proverbial mouth. It's also a credible claim because he's been pretty townread day 1 so hey, why not? I encourage you people to control + F Vivax's filter about prplhz. Yes, prplhz didn't really give anyone much to work with, but Vivax's interactions about prplhz boil down to this: + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2018 00:45 Vivax wrote: A loveless post. This dude and this dude are town atm. I think this dude is kinda townie right now actually, for once [are you sure you didn't forget to add anything, df] Maybe this dudess is is town too because I agree with her about that dude. Lynch these three dudes for the time being. Here's an explanation for one of them: I didn't like that he didn't post both read and reasons in one post [which could be said for AMG]. Peace out. This could be a chainsaw post, but not particularly the most salient point. Fwiw, he also chainsaws AMG (who was the first on prplhz) decently hard throughout the day. On March 08 2018 04:23 Vivax wrote: FF what's with your prplhz SR? Care to flesh it out? For all I know he took a stance similar to mine in regards to the AMG tubesock discussion. His filter doesn't make me lean either way. Why you? Delicate null lean. It's also interesting that he claims prplhz took a similar stance as him in the AMG/TS discussion, but still calls him null. Why? On March 08 2018 07:41 Vivax wrote: Well the explanation isn't coming today either, but in my opinion what he did is serious bs. Serious scummy BS. I find his filter pretty hard to follow and will probably reserve an hour or so tomorrow reading it as he wasn't spare with words. Currently just juggling the question: prplhz or df if noobking isn't happening for what he did. Out of nowhere, Vivax now has prplhz in his two man lynch possibilities. On March 08 2018 07:52 Vivax wrote: Hard to find an answer to that within 10 minutes. Right off the bat there is no reason not to lynch tube that comes to mind. I'd have kept him over prpl for D1. But since prpl isn't voting, might as well vote TS. The vote doesn't sit too right with me after arguing lots of the day about all his qualms with AMG and noobking, but what alternative do I have? Literally the only reason I have is the lack of scumhunting, but it's hard to tell if it's cause he was pushed into the defensive or cause he's mafia. meh ##Unvote ##Vote: Tubesock This is not only terrible logic, but also very awkwardly worded. Idk, I just hate this post a lot. As soon as rsoultin takes Vivax up on his "prplhz or df" possibilities, Vivax immediately backs down and say "well rats, golly gee, I just don't have enough info to make a decision (despite the fact that I just talked about lynching into one of those two!) His main reason to vote TS is that he's trying to survive (NAI) other someone who hasn't voted??? Really? Prplhz was a viable lynch wagon with two votes (AMG, darthfoley) with about 50 minutes before deadline and Vivax was around. He even makes this post while prplhz has two votes on him. On March 09 2018 01:18 Vivax wrote: I'm fine with agreeing with you and HF and going for prplhz as vig target. Let's start our own votecount or something? ##Vote prplhz (for getting vigidoctored) Credit to him for being on board with the prplhz vigdoctor, but I question the overall importance of a roleblocker in a setup like this. The medic seems infinitely more important. Roleblocker only really matters if medics split their votes, which we had decided was NOT going to happen, or if there's two medics left. Prplhz was either gonna get lynched or vigi'd sooner or later. Might as well try to gain as much town cred from it as possible. On March 09 2018 04:32 Vivax wrote: My pessimism driven gut tells me that prplhz is going to flip town though. What's the alternative though. Back to being all mopey about not having alternatives. This is the second time he's literally talked about having no other alternatives. Idk but as town I rarely think in terms of "having alternatives." I'm aware that it's semantics, but I think it may point to an overall scum mindset who is by definition always trying to have alternatives. In short, Vivax's play around prplhz and the EoD in general looks too careful from my POV. | ||
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darthfoley
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On March 11 2018 23:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: ayo darthfoley, vivax said he's healing koshi, who are you going to heal/want to heal? I'd prefer to not heal whoever Vivax wants to heal | ||
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Koshi
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Ok. I didnt see that. Doesnt change anything. Unless anubody believes I am faking that. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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