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On March 15 2018 09:21 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:16 AMG wrote:On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote:
Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also. -pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill. I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.) Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so. Oh not at all, I think i mentioned in obs that we were ALL struggling to find mafia early game and it was really starting to show. Everyone was standing around saying BUT WHOS MAFIA to each other and the response was a shrug. That really is a credit to moosey and noobkings early play to stay off nearly every bodies radar, they did quite well in that regard and I think town did equally well to not go feral on itself when there were no obvious options to go for. I can say though that my day 1 reads are probably about 50%, but by the end of 2nd or 3rd cycle i'm usually well and truly onto scum, as unpopular as my reads may be at the time. If i'm flying with thread sentiment, you can assume i'm either being lazy af or i'm scum. You were refreshing to play with. Thanks for playing.
No problem at all, I would have liked to have played out another cycle or two to see what we could have done together.
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On March 15 2018 09:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote:On March 15 2018 08:39 darthfoley wrote:On March 15 2018 08:28 Mocsta wrote:On March 15 2018 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
Like I have an 11 page filter and plenty of content inside it. I'm really not sure what your criticism is supposed to mean.
And yea, game was way too setup dependent. But i'm always down to try new things and I appreciate Calix for hosting it well Why assume a comment about being "independent" is a criticism? All it means is that your actions are difficult to predict - and is a fact, rather a flaw or criticism. For players whom tone read (or as I prefer, rely on the nuance of prediction); this can prove to be a very difficult challenge to overcome. Because you said you mostly agreed with n00bking who wrote an essay about extraneous factors that all ended up sounding like whining. Like yea, afk people playing mafia suck balls. Idk why prplhz even signs up for games tbh. But he does, so you have to accept that if you're going to play on TL Mafia. Of course I agree with much of it, given, there are similarities to why I said I would stop playing as well. You can choose to think it is whining, or not valid; however, the dwindling population on TLMafia is more complicated than people got older and stopped playing SC2. Personally, I think TLMafia tends towards an abusive/bullying culture.
Some people are OK with this; some do not yet realise it is abuse; and the majority pack up and leave.Regardless of that, I agree with you that with 115 odd pages; there was enough content between all remaining parties to figure this game out. I guess that's your opinion. Games get heated and people get mad but from what I remember, old games with people like robotik (??) and people like that flamed much more hardcore. I only started playing TL mafia in 2015 even though I had been on the site since 2011. I enjoy the challenge of games and feel like the players that do play are generally decently high level. I've always been good at compartmentalizing things (e.g. insults in game, etc.) and not take them personally; I realize other people struggle with it. But that's not what n00bking's rant was about. He basically wrote an essay whining that we didn't lynch HF because his reasons were so carefully and perfectly crafted, and that there were AFK people. He never mentioned anything about cyber bullying and the stuff you mentioned. News flash: people here have played with HF for literally 3-6 years. Meta matters. As HF said, part of mafia is being able to sell your case, regardless of alignment. NK tried hard enough but ultimately wasn't convincing enough. Idk why that needs a rant Well yes, the HF component was overplayed; however, it was the precursor to that which more or less what I was attributing as similar content.
Look, Im not here to berate or lecture; Im just not a fan of outright continuously calling people bad or stupid.
It should not considered an effective means of working with people in real life; ergo, mafia.
I had no intention to hijack discussion to this topic either.
P.S. I still want to see a scum game from you lasting longer than 72hrs; given Damdred prediction of your play.
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On March 15 2018 09:16 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:On March 15 2018 08:55 AMG wrote:
Good game overall.
I never really got HF as mafia at all this game or understood anyone that was pushing it. Nor did i see df as anything but town. or rsoultin. Lots of townies making themselves really townie made things easier, not many places to hide.
And yes, Ive been floating around this site since 2013 or so. I play rarely. I will say that my drive to play disappeared right around the time marv did also. -pokes- Hope I didn't offend you! My main reason for finding your kill weird was that you seemed pretty lost after the prp kill, which was inevitable enough that I didn't think that would be enough to get a player shot. It wasn't because you were a bad kill. I can be a baddy early game, especially when I'm having trouble finding mafia in general lol >< (And late game. And mid game.) Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance, probably more of a chance than it felt like you had. D3 really seemed like it could go about anywhere until the very end or so. Oh not at all, I think i mentioned in obs that we were ALL struggling to find mafia early game and it was really starting to show. Everyone was standing around saying BUT WHOS MAFIA to each other and the response was a shrug. That really is a credit to moosey and noobkings early play to stay off nearly every bodies radar, they did quite well in that regard and I think town did equally well to not go feral on itself when there were no obvious options to go for. I can say though that my day 1 reads are probably about 50%, but by the end of 2nd or 3rd cycle i'm usually well and truly onto scum, as unpopular as my reads may be at the time. If i'm flying with thread sentiment, you can assume i'm either being lazy af or i'm scum.
Fair enough. I too would be happy to play with you again  My biggest issue with you in-game was based on a misunderstanding anyway lol
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Also I don't think my nk plan that noobking said was terrible was actually that awful. He says it ends the game in the qt but my whole point was that if we lynch wrong I 100% know it's the other vt and if mafia DO try and do some shenanigans to narrow it down further then the mafia in the medics becomes 50/50 between two people the next day.
Obviously statistically for everyone else not so great but when have I cared about that? Perfect for me if I can just argue my way out of a lynch knowing someone is confirmed mafia.
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On March 15 2018 10:02 Holyflare wrote:
Also I don't think my nk plan that noobking said was terrible was actually that awful. He says it ends the game in the qt but my whole point was that if we lynch wrong I 100% know it's the other vt and if mafia DO try and do some shenanigans to narrow it down further then the mafia in the medics becomes 50/50 between two people the next day.
If they lynch you D3 and then use your plan N3, but pick wrong on who to nightkill between Moosy and Slam, your plan allows us to win immediately. The town is literally endgamed right there, D4 never even happens.
If they lynch Slam D3 and then use your plan N3, but pick wrong on who to nightkill between Moosy and you, your plan again allows us to win immediately. The town is endgamed right there, D4 never even happens.
Following the normal plan allows the Town to mislynch one of you/Slam, then accidentally nightkill the other one, and STILL win the game, IF they correctly lynch the mafia medic on the first try on D4. But they will at least get that ONE chance. With your plan, they don't. Zero chances.
So that's what was meant in the Mafia QT, about how I was sure the Town would not use your plan, and how your plan can give mafia instant-win scenarios on N3.
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Holyflare wrote:
I will never allow myself to be nkd or lynched purely out of spite for NK.
Holyflare wrote:
You are not night killing me.
Verifiably false, sir!
On March 15 2018 06:08 rsoultin wrote:
Tbf...what you said wasn't always factually correct either. Since we're being critical right now.
I have an excuse for not being factually correct though. I was a bad guy. :D
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On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance.
You can have your opinion I suppose, but I powerfully disagree.
I thought the game was lost as soon as prplhz chose not to play, and let himself get killed N1. I told Moosy as much immediately, and gave him permission to scoop whenever he wanted to. In fact, I said to prplhz IN the scum thread (before he died) that if he didn't start playing and get himself out of the N1 crosshairs, it would make it literally impossible for his team to win.
I later meant to tell him to "please start playing, or just post the scum roster in the game thread" but I forgot. And as I mentioned in the scum thread, he probably would not have even seen it anyway, since he never made a 2nd post there after saying hi.
So as soon as the N1 results came in, I gave up on the game. And made sure Moosy understood I was giving up, and that he shouldn't expect to have a teammate rest-of-way, because he wasn't going to. And I didn't feel bad about leaving him high-and-dry, because his other teammate had already done it anyway.
Moosy apparently agreed with you (about the game being winnable) at one point, and said so. But I told him nah, it wasn't winnable, and that I was not willing to start trying.
Maybe someday I'll be part of scum roster here where all of the members play. But it hasn't happened yet, and someone (AMG, maybe?) mentioned in the observation thread that they think this could be the final game on TLMafia. Maybe it is time.
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Where do you normally play n00bKing; and what influenced you to join this game?
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On March 15 2018 08:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 08:39 darthfoley wrote:On March 15 2018 08:28 Mocsta wrote:On March 15 2018 08:16 darthfoley wrote:
Like I have an 11 page filter and plenty of content inside it. I'm really not sure what your criticism is supposed to mean.
And yea, game was way too setup dependent. But i'm always down to try new things and I appreciate Calix for hosting it well Why assume a comment about being "independent" is a criticism? All it means is that your actions are difficult to predict - and is a fact, rather a flaw or criticism. For players whom tone read (or as I prefer, rely on the nuance of prediction); this can prove to be a very difficult challenge to overcome. Because you said you mostly agreed with n00bking who wrote an essay about extraneous factors that all ended up sounding like whining. Like yea, afk people playing mafia suck balls. Idk why prplhz even signs up for games tbh. But he does, so you have to accept that if you're going to play on TL Mafia. Of course I agree with much of it, given, there are similarities to why I said I would stop playing as well. You can choose to think it is whining, or not valid; however, the dwindling population on TLMafia is more complicated than people got older and stopped playing SC2. Personally, I think TLMafia tends towards an abusive/bullying culture.Some people are OK with this; some do not yet realise it is abuse; and the majority pack up and leave.Regardless of that, I agree with you that with 115 odd pages; there was enough content between all remaining parties to figure this game out.
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What Mocsta says is very true. I definitely contributed to the toxicity during my stay here in the past but it was definitely encouraged by others.
This game wasn't that bad in terms of bullying or telling people they suck so I did enjoy playing.
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Also as a note I did actually plan to be more reasonable this time playing so meta was NAI this game and would have been NAI even if I was town. I was going to do my best not to troll.
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GG scum both of you played very well considering the circumstances. Huge post by NK made me want to switch for a moment but then again there wasn't really much pressure. Game could have gone a lot more differently if you had a roleblocker.
It must be so intimidating for the n1 action what to pick against three medics, so amg kill makes some sense from that perspective, even though his reads were good he can't really be considered a thread pusher like HF/rsoul from whom you can have feedback almost whenever you like.
Kudos to df for guessing the N2 target. Too bad the paranoia didn't allow me to appreciate it during the game :>
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On March 15 2018 10:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
What Mocsta says is very true. I definitely contributed to the toxicity during my stay here in the past but it was definitely encouraged by others.
This game wasn't that bad in terms of bullying or telling people they suck so I did enjoy playing.
Yes, there are some people I know I won't enjoy playing with as much as others for the reasons you state.
I do agree that too often, people go to the OMGUS method. This game I didn't for a few reasons. I don't even know what other sites people play on, so I can't really have other reference points.
I just didn't think this game was the right time to bring that up. There have defffffinitely been a few games where I would 100% agree with you and Mocsta
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Canada11355 Posts
I don't mind people being mean, for the record. Also, I'd like to say that I honestly signed up for this game so it could start I feel bad when games don't fill up.
If a majority of people would rather I just don't sign up if I know I'm not gonna be able(have the motivation) to play I can return to obsing. It's essentially the same to me lol
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Canada11355 Posts
I assume he is from epicmafia based on a quick google search
https://epicmafia.com/user/445487
edit oh lol these games are over 2 yrs old I misread the timestamps
oh wait is this even what i think it is
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On March 15 2018 10:25 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance.
You can have your opinion I suppose, but I powerfully disagree. I thought the game was lost as soon as prplhz chose not to play, and let himself get killed N1. I told Moosy as much immediately, and gave him permission to scoop whenever he wanted to. In fact, I said to prplhz IN the scum thread (before he died) that if he didn't start playing and get himself out of the N1 crosshairs, it would make it literally impossible for his team to win. I later meant to tell him to "please start playing, or just post the scum roster in the game thread" but I forgot. And as I mentioned in the scum thread, he probably would not have even seen it anyway, since he never made a 2nd post there after saying hi. So as soon as the N1 results came in, I gave up on the game. And made sure Moosy understood I was giving up, and that he shouldn't expect to have a teammate rest-of-way, because he wasn't going to. And I didn't feel bad about leaving him high-and-dry, because his other teammate had already done it anyway. Moosy apparently agreed with you (about the game being winnable) at one point, and said so. But I told him nah, it wasn't winnable, and that I was not willing to start trying. Maybe someday I'll be part of scum roster here where all of the members play. But it hasn't happened yet, and someone (AMG, maybe?) mentioned in the observation thread that they think this could be the final game on TLMafia. Maybe it is time.
Between the epic long sign-up and the number of inactives, getting next game going with any more than 9 players will be an achievement.
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On March 15 2018 10:25 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2018 09:04 rsoultin wrote:
Also, I echo the props to moosy/nk. It's tough to stay that involved in a game like this. You guys definitely had a chance.
You can have your opinion I suppose, but I powerfully disagree. I thought the game was lost as soon as prplhz chose not to stuff Stuff stuff what he meant was when Slam godread pegged him immediately upon replacing in
U gotta not play textbook scum m8
And also, ANNOUNCEMENT TO TL MAFIA
WHEN RESPECTED, I REDUCE TROLLING
WHEN IGNORED, WHAT IS LEFT TO DO?
I HEREBY DEMAND SOME CRED
+ Show Spoiler +
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You were an amazingly easy townread this game slam <3
I'm not sure that I agree about sign-ups? I think some of it had to do with the setup, which tbf seemed imbalanced. I think a normal would have gotten more interest. It was a nice idea but yeah...pretty tough for scum.
I wouldn't have signed up except I wanted to help get the game going. The idea of rolling scum this game was daunting @.@
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
Damn, my back is hurting from carrying that game.
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GG, bit imba game but that was expected.
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