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raynpelikoneet
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Holyflare
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On February 07 2018 18:00 rsoultin wrote: I read him on emotion and tone...usually related to how he's being pushed. I'd say a bit of a scumlean, though. Even ignoring that he's wrong on me, which is unusual but not impossible, going back through ritoky's filter he's actually been super fluid in his reads and poking in a lot of places. Unless I'm wrong on ritoky, which I actually used to be quite frequently, it bugs me that Ian is scumreading him. I'd like a more thorough description of why. Although maybe the easiest way to read him is to just vote him and see how he reacts, lol I also don't get how we got to ritoky while talking about damdred. You've been pointing out ritoky posts you've hated all game so what reads are 'fluid"??? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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rsoultin
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What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: On February 06 2018 06:42 Mocsta wrote: Why so mad? Need some itch cream? I got what you need, bbygurl For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Holyflare
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:19 Holyflare wrote: I also don't get how we got to ritoky while talking about damdred. You've been pointing out ritoky posts you've hated all game so what reads are 'fluid"??? Not the reads themselves, the overall picture of the game, Joni. I was dubious about him not actively pushing the one scummy read he seemed to have. His explanations were reasonable if unverifiable. I'm allowed to change my mind after rereading his filter (and a bit before, obv, given I unvoted him) -flicks- | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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rsoultin
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On February 07 2018 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you mean the Koshi stuff i think it is slightly more likely to come from mafia. I have had huge fights with Holyflare when we have both been town. Same with you. ritoky's stuff on Koshi doesn't matter because not only is it wrong but it is just a spacegoat to not do anything or discern his alignment. Same as the smiley read. What i mean is that i would never as town use "lol you're so annoying because you always are" or "we always fight about stupid stuff" (when getting into an argument) to "strengthen" my argument, which to me seems like ritoky is doing. Not talking about the koshi stuff at all. That's also NAI to me. It would be true as either alignment, from both of them. They're babbling about nothing relevant to the game. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:23 rsoultin wrote: Not the reads themselves, the overall picture of the game, Joni. I was dubious about him not actively pushing the one scummy read he seemed to have. His explanations were reasonable if unverifiable. I'm allowed to change my mind after rereading his filter (and a bit before, obv, given I unvoted him) -flicks- What is fluid about his view of the game??? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta is voting for you Tina so idk what you're talking about. He's lining up for a shift, or are you blind today, lol? If you're going to argue with every post I make in an effort to derail me because you think that I'm scum, could you kindly consider the very real and true possibility that I'm town trying to get my reads out? I'm not even saying don't lynch me. Do. Bury me. It's okay. You don't even need to talk for that. And you can explain all the things you think are wrong with my posts after I'm done. Or I can just stop posting as I go...you know what, I'll do that. You probably can't help yourself cause you're you. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43226 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:22 Holyflare wrote: ALSO if ritoky found out that koshi calls him mafia as mafia a lot but not as town and only just discovered that then why isn't he now attributing being scum read as mafia koshi? I have a personal interest in this matter because i have a tendency of 100% misreading ritoky's alignment (unless he is SK lol ^^). That's the thing that caught me in the first place, wh ywas he so obsessed with Koshi's read but not mine? Like fucking last game i remember playing with him he made a 100% case on a 100% mafia and i decided to not doc him because i still thought he was mafia. Why Koshi? Why not me? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:24 Holyflare wrote: What is fluid about his view of the game??? I mean, I could quote most of the posts from his filter, but it's really just an overall sense. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43226 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:26 rsoultin wrote: He's lining up for a shift, or are you blind today, lol? It's because i don't see the point doing so if you're town and he is mafia. He has a case. People agree (at least on the lynch). But yeah, i will stop bothering you, do your thing. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's because i don't see the point doing so if you're town and he is mafia. He has a case. People agree (at least on the lynch). But yeah, i will stop bothering you, do your thing. He doesn't need a point. Remember his shift to mderg last game? It almost seems like a nervous tick...I think he even said in his scum QT it was because he was bored. Anyway, it's only a slight negative, because I can also see it from a town perspective. Just kind of negates the positive meta point that this was different play from his scum game. | ||
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ritoky
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if rayn and hf are both town, game is in good shape. | ||
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Koshi
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 07 2018 18:20 rsoultin wrote: So im leaning scum?I'm torn on mocsta. On the one hand, he's sticking to his guns, which is quite different than his scum game. He's also poking and prodding at people around his case. But he's not really focused beyond what people say about his case or the non-existent rsoul. I don't think that's necessarily scummy, but I do think it's an easy way for scum to play because it only requires focus on two fronts. I'd even say slight townread for the bolded meta point. What really gives me pause though is that I distinctly recall his primary negative comment about me in his scum QT being that I didn't have the "EQ" to handle a holyflare. If he noticed that I react so poorly (yes, sorry, rsoul is existing again for a second but it's the only way that I can explain my concern on mocsta) to people belittling me, he should have known how posts like this would tilt me: For someone who noticed that I tilt even in a game I'm not scumread in at posts like this, it seems less like he was less interested in my alignment than he should have been. Damdred is also a pretty easy mislynch if he's town. The reason for it is bad, too. Afk. Only caveat is mocsta may not know that Ian tends to poof constantly. Which fits him being town and tunneled on me therefore ignoring anything I say as possibly false. Meh. Now I'm talking in circles. It's really an interplay between pretty solid push in his filter and saying things he know will tilt me. Although, ironically, him doing that pretty solid push then switching over to Damdred for one post actually does align better with his scum play. Leaning scum. The whole irony of this post is you say i should hav ebetter eq on you, suggesting perhaps you didnt realise i was considering an unvote. however, later you comment on this, so you should know i have realised myself i may have tilted you. with that contradiction, now i can only keep my vote. damdred is scum with you i dont have to re-read, thanks for saving me a couple horus. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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rsoultin
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 06 2018 06:27 ritoky wrote: hf On February 06 2018 12:52 ritoky wrote: i read the conversation about the serial killer, and proceeded to roll my eyes and say to myself "this is so dumb". hf did the same thing at the same time. i am town, thus he is town. koshi is a detriment to town regardless of his alignment; so if there is no compelling alternative, removing him from the game is always a positive. On February 06 2018 11:59 ritoky wrote: hf town not lynching mocsta today rsoul prob town df hot and cold conv kinda poop soup lynch koshi On February 06 2018 12:07 ritoky wrote: his questions lead to dead end alleys where people get robbed and murdered. non committal. posts like "good point about that thing i was doing sir! cheerio chaps" generally come from mafia. On February 06 2018 12:24 ritoky wrote: truffle On February 06 2018 18:57 ritoky wrote: truffle is less townie than before because he took a blatant OoC quote. conv slightly less shitty for calling truffle's bullshit about OoC quote. nothing else interesting. On February 06 2018 20:00 ritoky wrote: that mocsta is town. it is pretty much purely on the heuristic that the highest activity player d1 is almost always town. because his obsession with his nothing-burger case does not inspire any further confidence in me about his alignment. On February 07 2018 09:10 ritoky wrote: Hey mocsta, I have a great question for you. Since you haven't rescinded the whole bomb thing I don't think....why are you voting rsoul? In your eyes she gonna die anyways right? On February 06 2018 20:11 ritoky wrote: i mean i was confident until you told me she got nailed for it last game, then i looked and it was kinda true; so i lost some confidence in it. i was banking on using the read i invented years ago to get a sneakster read, but it appears people still plagiarize my reads shamelessly. trfel took a quote out of context pretty bad, so he doesn't get to sit at the table anymore. On February 07 2018 08:08 ritoky wrote: df what made you go from liking rayn to not liking rayn? On February 07 2018 09:01 ritoky wrote: You called rels town one time df. It was strange and off-putting. But I love your kick ass, take names, and fuck off tone. It makes me slightly hard. On February 07 2018 09:49 ritoky wrote: i believe df is using the nationality ascribed to his role and rels post to get a read.....altho i really don't think i should be posting about it cuz it feels icky. On February 07 2018 08:52 ritoky wrote: I mean statistically damdred is more likely mafia than wrong about my alignment, so there's that. These are slightly out of order to show where reads are changing, but that's what I mean by fluid, HF. | ||
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