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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 08 2018 22:04 GMT
#1380
Damdred is mafia. The guy does not have this many holes in his game normallu. Well only mafia can have this many holes in their story. And when confronted by it he just repeats his story slighly moderated to fill the hole but he isnt doing that.

HF raises excellent points. Damdred his logic is flawed. Just like the logic behind his d1 vote. And he keeps creating new stories to explain those flaws. But enough is enough.

Darth is probably also mafia by poe


I'll vote later.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:17 GMT
#1529
End page 95. People who say rsoultin is mafia and damdred town should feel bad. 1 is like a cop asking questions and the other a suspect who murdered 7 children.

I associate cop with town. FYI.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:19 GMT
#1530
On February 09 2018 11:10 Mocsta wrote:
I really struggle to see this as scum to scum conversation.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game.
    On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
    I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read.
On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:
Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch.
    On February 07 2018 21:00 darthfoley wrote:
    Hmmm. I guess I can see what you mean. Has your read on him changed at all since?
On February 07 2018 21:32 mderg wrote:
A bit, he's certainly a bit more jumpy now


In DarthFoley eyes mocsta is scum; and this reads as a legitimate attempt to canvas why someone presents an alternate view. (i.e. not fake scum to scum interaction)

What follows a couple posts from mderg is the infamous summary:
Show nested quote +
"darthfoley: Not liking his early scumread on Mocsta, for what I consider dumb reasons. Some omgus on Trfel, Rayn and Mocsta. Sounds very annoyed at some points. Could maybe see scum."

Does it read prior that hes talking to someone that is scum lean?
Does it read prior that mderg would call DF scummy for that conversation?

    On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote:
    Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts..

    I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon.
    On February 08 2018 04:06 darthfoley wrote:
    yes, it was I! I still think that inconsistency is very weird, even after he explained it. I kinda bought it but not really

    Catching up now 1 hour before deadline
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2018 04:30 mderg wrote:
still no actual inconsistency there.
I believe this exchange is crucial to determine DF alignment.
Note the votes when DF made that post:
Show nested quote +
mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi
rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Holyflare, Trfel
trfel (1): prplhz
prplhz (0):: Koshi
Conversion (0): rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg
ritoky (0): rsoultin
darthfoley (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels
If DF is scum.. he can either bus or save mderg.

If he was bussing, DF would be riding this so much harder.. instead, he actally backs off it slightly & eventually gets into a screaming match with HF. One could argue, that rsoultin and mderg are scum. If so, i think DF only has one play which is to try and swing votes onto me (as his other read).

Overall I am satisfied DF is town.

But but but... that means rayn wont keep his promise 😢😢😭
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:23 GMT
#1531
On February 09 2018 11:37 Damdred wrote:
Fuck it lets go, im just wrong on df.

If mderg and rs are scum together, df didnt do jackshit to help a counterwagon when he was presenr so doesnt make sense.

If mderg and df are scum together, you are right in that he should of bussed but now is part of the people who are being looked at.

His fihht i pointed out served no purpose and hurt hia cause if he is scum with mderg, he might od been antagonistic toqards hf but no real reason when he needs him to kill tina. (if shes town)

probably just town here because it doesnr make sense and im an idiot

Hahaha. Goddamn. If you are town damdred you play town on such a fucking weird way I probably shouldnt call you mafia anymore in the future. I still will ofcourse.

How the fuck are you still on rsoultin is mafia... you have 0 reasoning why she is mafia except the vote thing. She has a million post in this thread and you never challenge her critically on them (If you did it once my point still stands) and every time you talk to her you are a weak lamb defending yourself and pleasing her. Dafuqqqqq
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:25 GMT
#1532
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:52 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:46 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:43 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 10:39 Conversion wrote:
Damdred you still around? Who’s your preferred lynch today?


Right now im trying to get a better grasp, df is probably my strongest scum read. However wirh talking it out its kind of makes eod more confussing unless mafia team was super acrewed with afk team.


Okay. Wonder where DF went? I feel like he’s been missing after night. I need to park a vote on someone in case I don’t get back Satrday hmMm


idk, who would you want to lynch eoght now after everything that was said so far conversion?


I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3


i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read

Be a hero tomorrow and decide between rayn and prplhz. I think those will be the main choices.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:28 GMT
#1533
On February 09 2018 12:44 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 12:35 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:15 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 12:09 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:47 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:42 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:38 Conversion wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:20 Damdred wrote:
On February 09 2018 11:16 Conversion wrote:
[quote]

I wasn’t planning to be here, to be honest. I’ll probably park prplhz and see where town ends up D3


i dont understand? i thought you had aome aolid scum reads you wanted to pursue even if you arent here anyway, or is prp your top scum now.


I’ll leave people figuring you or rayn out to other people. prpl is not memorable and I did a quick check with his Simple game and it gave me scum vibes. That’s the extent of the read


i understand that rsoultin kind of goaded youbinto staying pact on her, but you were really not liming mderg/prp. Can you take me through not changing and staying pact?


The entirety of D1 was me trying to get some bad habits out of my play (too much OMGUS/spammy emotional filter, hence HF’s cheeky cyborg Conversion comment) and another one was my super waffley nature when scum reading people. Waffley nature came out anyways as I got nervous about my vote as it seemed rsoultin was looking better than mderg, so I let it be transparent in the thread that I was not confident. rsoultin goaded me, I guess, but it more served a reminder that I wanted to improve my game, even by a little bit. So I stayed.


Ok, can you take me through why tina was making you feel better before her string of bad posts. I thinl you were absent when both of them decided to vote not each other?


I really disliked mderg’s response to my prodding at him then rsoultin’s. Rsoultin at one point said “ok my play before this was bad, and I will try to start new.” which I feel like I have and would do if I was town.

Mderg’s was just a passively dismissive attitude and I just really disliked it


Ok, what do you think of tina now?


I’d have to revisit her filter but I don’t remember her doing anyhig memorable? Although that’s just more me zoning out than not.

I cannot fathom a mderg + rsoultin mafia team playing that horribly before EoD, but I guess it is not impossible


Ok heres whatbim gwtting at.

You start with a hard enough scum read on tina to want to lynch her, she then wants ti start over which is enough to get you to move your read and just narrow to prp/mderg, rsoultin convinces you to stay on her by calling out your waffles.

You then during the night call tina town, amd have scum between me/rayn/prp, and now dont have an opinion of her but keeping the option open with the last sentence here for a scum read.

So I know you say youve zoned out especially over being angry. But can you explain it to me what im not seeing or misunderstanding because it seems strange?

Such a me4k conversation. It's cool and all but I dont see Damdred trying to convince Converssion rsoiltin is mafia. Nor do I see that Damdred thinks rsoultin is mafia in his questioning
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:28 GMT
#1534
On February 09 2018 12:41 Mocsta wrote:
im never doing this again. fuck my life.. too tired to even go through it

Is there a reason why I would read it?
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:30 GMT
#1535
On February 09 2018 16:48 Holyflare wrote:

It just seems like you're plugging the holes that get picked up on to me. Sorry if I'm wrong but that's just what I feel.

The last 2 times you were this intelligent and I agreed with all your posts you were mafia. I am not kidding.

If you and rsoultin are mafia I will be sad.
Also super impressed.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:34 GMT
#1536
On February 09 2018 14:14 Mocsta wrote:
my vote is sticking with damdred.

p37 in particular he is really out of flow with thread sentiment re: mderg.
hes subtlety trying to sway from mderg, and then around p40 suddenly "sorta can vote" mderg, even though his key scum read mocsta is parked on there.

His whole game is "im still forming opinions' yet is always just talking to people and happy for it all to be superficial, as per the recent conversion discussions across p76/77.


My revised reads list:
town
Ritoky
darthfoley
Conversion
rsoultin
Koshi
Holyflare
prplhz

null land
disinformation

scummy
Damdred
raynpelikoneet
===
prplhz would be first of my town pool to lynch into if {Damdred, rayn, disinfo} produced only 1 scum.

We should lynch rayn if damdred is mafia. Just because it is unbelievable ridiculous how wrong he is this game.

After last game in the qt he calls some lynches bad. The very next game he is mafia reading the most obvious hard working townie in the game while thread sentiment is sitting on mafia.

Sureeeeeeeeee
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:42 GMT
#1537
## Vote Damdred
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:44 GMT
#1538
On February 09 2018 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
What I don't understand is why scum!Damdred votes rsoultin at 5v3. I think it would make a lot more sense in that scenario to just hammer mderg and try to gain town cred from it.

If Damdred is scum, his vote + Mderg's lack of vote on rsoultin is probably the least optimal play ever. I just don't get it

Bad post. And the next 5 were also besides every point in the world.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:47 GMT
#1539
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 08:55 GMT
#1540
Damdred. If you are town mafia is within df and then maybe rayn/prplhz and very maybe conversion.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:03 GMT
#1542
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:03 GMT
#1543
On February 09 2018 17:58 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?

It's a good post.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:09 GMT
#1545
On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 17:58 Mocsta wrote:
On February 09 2018 17:47 Koshi wrote:
I'll explain why it is bad.

"I dont understand"

Those 3 words.

Are

Supershit.
make it stupid for me, because i still dont get the problem; nor did I think the "believe" thing is an issue (and probably related to non-native english).

Further, you commented on my df post equating him to town. Do you disagree?

It's a good post.

But it isnt conclusive at all.
DF TMI might have sparked that first discussion
DF might have wanted to still give mderg a fighting chance if mderg voted rsoultin. Making it very close. But if he votes mderg it isnt close at all anymore.

Like... You can interpret like you do. But the PoE pool is too small to tr somebody for tgat.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:11 GMT
#1546
On February 09 2018 18:07 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2018 18:03 Koshi wrote:
Like he doesnt understand something that is very easy to find 5 million reasons for to understand.

But that is even besides the point. DF doesnt open a door that it could be something like bad play or w.e the fuck.

DF also completely ignores the fact rsoultin is maybe mafia. He tr Damdred based on an unflipped player her alignment. And he himself voted rsoultin. I forgot how hard he tr her now.

DF also doesnt want to figure out this little riddle why Damdred did what he did. He just doesnt get it and closes his mind off to a solution.

And the worst thing. That post is not succint at all. I can say all that in 1 sentence. "Damdred play was not optimal if he is mafia with mderg, it was better to hammer mderg"


There is sooooooo much more wrong with that post but I am not typing more on mobile.
Ohh I see now.
Because rsoultin was his scum read, he should default to thinking both wagons were scum.


This is a puzzle game. The human mind likes to solve puzzles (at least ours) and while there are so many things to solve and so many variables left to discover, DF just "doesnt understand" and "doesnt get it".

It's lazy. So so lazy.

And I wonder why.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:13 GMT
#1547
If damdred is town both rayn and df are not helping us at all to see it. Df for sure. Rayn a bit.

And if damdred is mafia they are protecting their partner.


So Damdred has a key role here. Because the other people in my PoE take an interest stance on him.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 09:16 GMT
#1549
On February 09 2018 18:14 Mocsta wrote:
fine

lynch in order
damdred, rayn, prplhz, df

game over

Yeah.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 09 2018 10:48 GMT
#1554
On February 09 2018 19:42 Mocsta wrote:
only scum care about doing everything they said they were gonna do.

lol. im still rayn top scum read lol. hes basically conceding

granted, i have bought into the wifom. damdred is probably town and rayn wants to lap up town cred.

This I have thought many times as well.
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