Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII

On January 18 2018 20:56 Damdred wrote:
And so it begins, the hero Damdred enters the building and surveys the damages already done. The mystery would be solved quickly and efficiently because obviously he is the best at what he does. Throwing a note book down on a table he already had names wrote into it.

Slight Town:
Rsoultin
Holyflare
BTDT

Slight Scum:
DF (sorry baby)
Mocsta

Life is unfair when such a great player such as Damdred is on the case, forever isolated from society by his genius. He will win this one even if he had to drag town through it kicking and screaming. And for the itch there is a cream for that just so you know.

On January 18 2018 18:18 rsoultin wrote:
Note to self: hf ignored question on darth foley entirely in his general sidestepping.

But I disagree with the read, firstly I do recognize my word usage of the word like has at times.... been extreme. And I am surprised that nobody has really caught it a bit to that point. But once I realized what I was doing a few games ago with getting excited I decided it was time to eliminate it just because as you put it sounding like "a valley girl" is not appealing to me lol.

On January 18 2018 22:43 Damdred wrote:
You caught me, I am scum rip me baby bois.

No seriously, I caught myself doing something and tried to change it just in time for someone to catch on and try to hammer me to the wall this game, thats some mighty fine irony I tell you what.

But seriously i'm going out for a bit :') so don't lynch me babby

On January 18 2018 23:57 rsoultin wrote:
@.@

I wasn't really giving a shit about Damerion's push on Damdred until Damdred's reaction to it. The meta read was close enough to my impression of Damdred's play to be genuine without necessarily being accurate. But...giddiness as a response sits wrong. What's weird is that's a scum!Artanis reaction to bring pressured/caught. I don't know what to think about it on Damdy.

-pokes hf- You latched on hard to this one. Is it awful that this makes me less rather than more comfortable with the lynch?

On January 19 2018 05:11 darthfoley wrote:
Perhaps i'll town read HF for seeing what I see. But he's good enough to do that as either alignment. I shall come back to this later.

Town: Twat/Rels

On January 19 2018 06:04 Holyflare wrote:


So you're saying you like what I said but it's pretty nai?

On January 19 2018 07:12 rsoultin wrote:
Blah phone posting. HF is adding nothing while egging some things on and pissing on others. Which if he is scum and that's a lovely ego stroke to catch him early, is super interesting.

Dismissing suspicion on df, throwing inscrutable shade on mocsta, cheering on a Damdred lynch that would probably be a town lynch.

On January 19 2018 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
I will try to organise my thoughts in a concise why.

Main issue is the damdred discussion. The impression I get is that damerion has a meta read that he is very proud of but in those situations you have to be careful not to get too excited and see the read everywhere. I think this may be the case, especially with how early he came out with it. I believe damerion mentioned damdred going on df with "ferocity". That's where he lost if for me. I didn't see damdred being ferocious at all. In fact I didn't feel he was really pushing a scum read that hard.

I don't know where I have damdred, he has done things I like and things I don't like. For damerion...Is he misguided overeager town or scum...probably over eager town.


I think Twaty and rsoultin are both town. I've agreed with most everything that Tina has said and I knew she would like costa. They both post in similair style. Costa's enthusiasm is enough for a tone read pass D1.

my scummy reads come from people who agree on the damdred wagon when they should probably know better. I think hf questioning damdred on his df and costa both being scum was bad. To me that was a guy giving two people who in his opinion have made questionable posts. Not considering partners at that stage. Rels is similar as a guy who has popped up with some one liners and then latched onto this damdred read.

I don't like Mderg I think his disappointment at the thread felt fake and his 10 page hf point was not my experience of hf at all. In general I have disagreed with almost everything he said apart from his agreement that damerion is just too aggro. So I could see Mderg knowing both damdred and damerion are town and trying to get some credit later...maybe im just biased with that .

Right now i'd lynch HF, rels, Mderg and prplhz because his 2 day afk is just bullshit.

I like kmatt but just because his 4d chess comment was really funny.

Sorry this turned into a ramble.

On January 19 2018 07:22 rsoultin wrote:


-snorts- damerion started the Damdred train. And your point is honestly retarded if you actually believe it. You think scum Damdred says yes this meta point that only you've noticed or mentioned is right but I only now just changed it, rather than ignore it or shrug it off as wrong? It's not even that this is your argument, it's that you see it like a smoking gun, apparently.

And it wasn't even pointed out by you first.

On January 19 2018 07:38 rsoultin wrote:


...I have no way to gauge the veracity of that as I don't know damerion from Adam and I agree that he looks confirmation biased, with whoever said that who I've forgotten.

I'm not even sure if you would believe Damdred could panic like that or not...I've never really seen that reaction from him that I can recall.

I don't think the read is right though and sont like your piggyback. I need you to genuinely play if you're town and stop being a lazy ass.

On January 19 2018 07:43 KelsierSC wrote:
HF do you have any thoughts on BDTD or rels?

On January 19 2018 15:53 rsoultin wrote:
Let me try to explain why this is nonsense. Damerion lays down a long meta read, including damdred's method of looking for town d1 to narrow down to a scumread (which is true but disregards that this does not preclude Damdred from also getting slight scumreads) and adds this valley girl point:

He gets excited and uses like a lot! He's not doing that. Must be scum.

Damdred: I noticed that and have been tryin to change it.

Holyflare: you admitted to saying like a lot when you're town and you're not doing it! Scum claim!

While I can see the coincidence being suspicious hf's response is entirely disingenuous. There is no way that he thinks this makes Damdred slam dunk scum. He is not retarded.

On January 19 2018 17:10 Holyflare wrote:
In fact I am almost 100% sure you used the same read on me last time?

On January 19 2018 17:12 rsoultin wrote:


It doesn't make sense as a scum response, holyflare. Panic response doesn't explain it and unpanicked response explains it even less.

I get its weirdly coincidental but it's just obviously not believable.

On January 19 2018 17:14 rsoultin wrote:

Lol what?

I expect you to want to figure out my alignment and work with me. I don't require you to be superman.

Nor do I believe for an instant that you don't consider yourself a good town player. When did that happen?

On January 19 2018 17:48 rsoultin wrote:


I just tunneled him before incorrectly and dont trust my eh feel about him.

-squints at- Maaaybe I could believe your gameplay has changed. It hadn't in my last scum game but that was awhile ago. I can kinda see your Damdred thing now...I just find it weird that Ian would even know he said like as town and not as scum.

Someone used smiley percentages to read me and I had no clue if that was right or not. Who counts how many times they say like? So I find it a weird thing for scum to panic about.

And if he didn't panic that response doesn't make sense.

On January 19 2018 18:01 Holyflare wrote:


I don't believe he knows that as EITHER alignment. If Damerion is town and Damdred is mafia then Damdred knows categorically that Damerion isn't lying and so it must be true. Or at least he thinks it to be true. This is why the only correct response as town is to say "well your meta is wrong then" whereas his response is to acknowledge it's true and that he's changing it conveniently. It's sheer mafia survival and panic.

On January 19 2018 20:00 rsoultin wrote:


To be fair, I think scumRels would be way more likely to do that if there was an alternative lynch going, which there wasn't. It still felt like a half-assed drive-by shooting but I can't say that it makes him scum.

Not feeling a mderg lynch. It's not sparkly but I get a little swimming against the current and a little waffley not sure not sure from his filter that just feels towny to me. Not my strongest read, of course, but I'd rather not lynch him.

Meeeh btdt's filter is just so weak for me. Hold on. I already forgot specifics.

On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.

On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?

On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:


And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.

On January 20 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
Also, at anyone...

Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.

Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol ><

On January 20 2018 06:14 rsoultin wrote:
You weren't home for that?

On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that.

so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired.

On January 20 2018 06:16 rsoultin wrote:


Not in the november game.

Games, please.

On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:


No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is.

It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less.

Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.

On January 20 2018 06:39 darthfoley wrote:


Yes, this is also my problem with him. Being this gung-ho on one person is one thing, but a lack of communication with the rest of the game is something more

On January 20 2018 06:40 rsoultin wrote:


No, I'm saying that your motivation could be mafia motivation and that the explanation you gave me is unverifiable. I also clearly said that it could not be. Try calling out bs that actually exists.

I already said that your reasoning was fair.

It just gets me no closer to sussing you out, which is irritating.

On January 20 2018 06:43 rsoultin wrote:


For me it's a static mocsta scumread. His reasoning, that mocsta is focusing on minutiae (first explanation) and/or making vague reads (second explanation) and/or whatever the third explanation was that I should look back up or won't both struck me as inaccurate and being adapted to match the static read.

Could be wrong but not going to vote Damdred over him for
1) erroneously applied meta for how Damdred plays day 1 or
2) he admitted to using the word 'like' -_-

On January 20 2018 06:44 rsoultin wrote:


No, I wouldn't. I've come to it means nothing anyway so it doesn't matter. I don't know why you're so focused on my saying I can't prove what you're thinking lol >< It should be obvious that's true regardless of what was going on at work or whether or not you were at work.

On January 20 2018 06:46 rsoultin wrote:


I find this Damerion the town god image you paint EXTREMELY unbelievable. It's actually tempting to go back through his games. No one in my experience has ever been anywhere close to 100% right while tunneling one person every game they play. That's a ridiculous thing to even claim, hf.

On January 20 2018 06:51 rsoultin wrote:


We don't see things the same. Half of what he said about you when I talked to him was me asking to clarify how you were actually being constructive Which is not defense, but explanation.

But my issue is not whether or not mocsta should be scumread anyway, but how df has been doing it. I think that's pretty clear.

On January 20 2018 06:51 mderg wrote:
skimming through damerion's games he doesn't look much different from usual. I haven't bothered to check, if he was right or wrong in his reads, though.

On January 20 2018 07:06 rsoultin wrote:
Heroes of the Storm, and yes, Shockey. I'm not saying he wasn't scumreading most of the rest of the scum team or whatever cause he was. Thus pretty good reads. But not perfect. And hardly the I TUNNEL SCUM and nothing else picture.

Meta read out of nowhere, super sure...idk if you're this right maybe you do have an ego that size. But how does he come to at least some correct meta points but then apply them completely differently from me? Or is this the one game that Tina fucks up on Damdred's alignment majorly? It's not impossible. But some of his points being similar and with my generally good track record on Damdred, us applying them differently suggests he's wrong even if town and overconfident.

Mrt.

On January 20 2018 07:26 Rels wrote:

no this doesn't prove anything, HF thinks this is true whatver alignment he is. But he's so focused on Damdred for something so minor. So sure. And then when Damdred comes and says BTDT is town, automatically they're a team. And then this whole pointless debate about him being at work, which goes nowhere. Just a pointless discussion in which he argues just to win the debate, just like he does as scum.

On January 20 2018 07:37 Rels wrote:
Yep I really hate all of these.

HF you're spending so much time defending against this accusation. Nobody else gave a shit.
Then later:

So you're fighting strongly for BTDT/Damdred to be lynched over DF but you have no idea why people scumread him. Makes no sense ot me.
Then later

Cool. Why ? But more importantly, it's super late compared to your strong stances about BTDT / Damdred in the posts above.
And this whole pointless explanation about how you didn't post before because you were working but now you can post is pointless.

On January 20 2018 07:48 Rels wrote:
HF why is Damdred scum again ? Why is DF town ? Why does Damerion's read is better than your owns ?

On January 20 2018 08:04 Damdred wrote:
hey hf vote df and ill vote me tommorow! what a deal im offering boyo

On January 20 2018 08:04 Rels wrote:

that makes no sense so whatever. You're still rambling pointlessly.
Explain to me why Damdred is scum because I don't see it. "Damdred's reaction" is not helpful. I don't see the "panic" you described yesterday in his reaction

On January 20 2018 07:54 rsoultin wrote:
My queasiness is the lack of global game, just as rels put out.

Literally every game in his profile hf. Literally every single one. That I just went through. And you fucking played in.

On January 20 2018 08:20 Rels wrote:

how do you even catch yourself using "like" too much ? How do you catch that you use it more as one alignment than the other ?

On November 02 2017 08:31 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax came to the thread sheeped a really obvious read and grumbled about being a pro sheep and that's about it. The read itself is imo bad because he's posted since then and vivax didn't use any of that and then he continued to do nothing. Didn't even grumble about me and lynching me which is his favourite pastime.

Damerion, as explained, jumped on specifically one shockeyy post and voted to lynch him which is totally out of character from his meandering walls of narrative that eventually lead to a vote in previous games and that instantly jumped out. I don't think he'd do that as town.

Ticktock I feel like he comes into the game to make comments that aren't particularly difficult and sounds arbitrary and made up and then he leaves again after "contributing". It feels very artificial to me and I have no idea why so many people say they like it.

DF is a little to clean here to me and isnt rwally digging anywhere worthwhile.

On January 20 2018 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
Like it doesn't even matter if you got on him for 'tunneling'. The fact is his tunneling this game isn't like those games. I don't care if you pushed him for tunneling. It matters not one whit. What matters is that his tunneling there included other reads and he engaged the game apart from the tunnel. Here, no. Pure and simple.

On January 20 2018 08:41 Damdred wrote:
gut feelings for btdt i liked hia tone also.

I just dont like moc, over explained vote. Overcompensation early feighing being excited, tag along vote. Doesnt pay attention to df who has been shitting on him in a soft push kind of way.

Damer could be scum btw but yeah

On January 20 2018 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
no fuck off

On January 20 2018 08:47 rsoultin wrote:
Wrong.

1. Scum can and does use correct meta.
2. You keep saying meta case while referring to a meta point.

Try again.

On January 20 2018 19:53 Mocsta wrote:
nice attempt at a strawman though

On January 20 2018 20:39 Holyflare wrote:
I don't believe he created it this game at all? I believe he had it and as mafia wouldn't use it and certainly wouldn't think to use it.

On January 21 2018 19:33 Mocsta wrote:
This is not a reason to lynch homyflare... just a general fact.


He is harder to lynh as the game goes on
Whether town or scum

I actually think damerion stupid caae/poke on a good town player is more likely to originate feom town. Almost suicide if scum... outcome is clear from the current sentiment...

To me focus for this lynch is holyflare mderg and perhaps damerion.

I still like twat regardless of disappearing.

On January 21 2018 20:17 rsoultin wrote:


As for you...

Hello. Welcome to the game. If you'd like to join my town circle, please do feel free to actually I don't know make some reads. Help me solve the game. All that fun stuff. The mocsta read is getting old.

You have new information! New thoughts to accompany them?

On January 21 2018 21:06 rsoultin wrote:


Tina's little devil man on her shoulder is saying "Well, you know, if holyflare is scum this game it's probably with damerion." But that aside, it makes sense from you as town to prefer Damerion, too.

Mrt. Yeah I don't see the wishy washy as scummy wishy washy. I'm wishy-washying all over the damn place. I might be able to figure out what you mean by the bolded filter diving but would you quote, please?

Also I just really find it...at the very least awful play...to be focusing on mocsta in a btdt/damdred town world. Or even just a damdred town world. Why buss the teammate who probably won't be lynched over the one who very well could be with or without you? Though btdt is probably just town, cause why not vote damdred or at least push btdt harder if you're going to buss your scummate anyway?

Doesn't seem scum v. scum to me. You don't see that?

On January 21 2018 21:23 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think what I've said is blatantly false. After damdred flipped and I said Mocsta next he accused myself and df of being mafia for nothing. I said this was massively convenient and shouldn't be a normal progression based on me sharing the same MOTIVE read on damdred. He said he had no idea what I was talking about and then quoted what I said. So he had to go back and actually find stuff because he hadn't read me.

He is calling things scummy and not researching.

On January 21 2018 21:06 rsoultin wrote:


Tina's little devil man on her shoulder is saying "Well, you know, if holyflare is scum this game it's probably with damerion." But that aside, it makes sense from you as town to prefer Damerion, too.

Mrt. Yeah I don't see the wishy washy as scummy wishy washy. I'm wishy-washying all over the damn place. I might be able to figure out what you mean by the bolded filter diving but would you quote, please?

Also I just really find it...at the very least awful play...to be focusing on mocsta in a btdt/damdred town world. Or even just a damdred town world. Why buss the teammate who probably won't be lynched over the one who very well could be with or without you? Though btdt is probably just town, cause why not vote damdred or at least push btdt harder if you're going to buss your scummate anyway?

Doesn't seem scum v. scum to me. You don't see that?

On January 21 2018 21:28 rsoultin wrote:


Mocsta was darth foley's main push, as I remember it. That's a strange buss for darth foley.

On January 22 2018 17:11 Mocsta wrote:
How is this remotely close to what I posted above. Seriously...

On January 19 2018 08:34 prplhz wrote:
I have very little time who are you voting for rsoultin?

On January 20 2018 06:03 Conversion wrote:
Day One Vote Count

Damdred (4): Damerion, Holyflare, TheTwatyEvildoer, Rels, Mocsta
beentheredonethat (3): rsoultin, KelsierSC, mderg, Rels, darthfoley
Holyflare (0): mderg, Mocsta, rsoultin
prplhz (0): Mocsta
darthfoley (3): Damdred, KelsierSC, rsoultin

Not Voting (3): Kmatt, beentheredonethat, prplhz

Damdred is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is Friday, Jan 19 11:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .

On January 20 2018 08:10 prplhz wrote:
I will vote beentheredonethat. He's a veteran but I haven't played with him and he's got some votes. Would vote with rsoultin but she's voting darthfoley and I'm not lynching him D1 before reading the thread. I'll be more active, promise. Also Mocsta is scum for voting me.

##Vote beentheredonethat

On January 23 2018 20:44 rsoultin wrote:
The facts don't make holyflare look town @.@

Rsoultin case is pretty fuckn good. I wish I had read it before the deadline.

On January 23 2018 21:03 rsoultin wrote:


Dude, chill. I'm stating reality. I've said, multiple times since night 1, that I'm tonereading you town despite your scumsiding play.

And, by the way, did you look at the spoilers? Yes, I repeated what I said based on feels from reading those filters, but I took quite a lot of time to confirm that those feels actually reflected reality. And presented the evidence for you. Meanwhile you say the evidence was stacked against Damdred and you rely on evidence.

Unless you have a reason other than "I don't think scum hard pushes a town lynch there" which they do, and you do as scum, so hello bullshit meter, there's your evidence. And I don't want to hear any more degrading my case. It's good. I could be wrong, but it's solid. It doesn't look like his town game because he wasn't as engaged when he was active in the thread, and there is no way his meta test on Damdred's play could have possibly given him such a strong read on Damdred so early. He's either an idiot with meta (possible, but unlikely given his former town play) or he has to know that was bullshit, i.e. scum.

On January 23 2018 21:09 rsoultin wrote:
It really irritates me that I can treat you respectfully while disagreeing about mocsta, and actually give your read enough credence to check literally every time you bring up a new point to see if I'm maybe wrong. And hell, maybe I am.

But you don't give me the courtesy of
1) Fully reading something I've worked quite some time on, and
2) Shit on it.

I don't care if you disagree. That's fine. (Well, I do a little, but that has more to do with wanting to persuade people.) Downplaying it pisses me off.

On January 23 2018 21:52 rsoultin wrote:


Nevermind. I think I'm just oversensitive.

Did you read my spoilers? It's in pretty colors to make it easy to compare. I legitimately would like to know why you don't find the case convincing, if it's more than what I mentioned just a moment ago.

@Rels...maybe. I really am not sure on things like that. The way I play scum, my issue tends to be ignoring my teammates because I don't know what to do with them. But I recognize others may play differently.

On January 23 2018 22:11 rsoultin wrote:


The meta point wasn't wrong, technically. At least from the two games we have here on TL that they were both in, which is admittedly a very small pool. It was just entirely misused.

It's like...I got lynched Day One on some site rayn invited me to with cake where they both rolled mafia. This happened because rayn said that I'd recently called out a whole mafia team before a single flip (true, but that was Himalayas and easily the best town game I've ever played, nor was my Day One play amazing) and thus I must be scum for being underwhelming. He used something true entirely inappropriately to get his lynch.

At least some of the meta that Damerion used was true. For instance, his assertion that Damdred usually townhunts Day One (this is part of how I know Damdred to play, too). But it was unnuanced. He didn't wait long enough to test his newly-developed meta read against Damdred's play. He certainly didn't wait long enough to test Damdred's usage of 'like'. This is fine if his approach had been:

I'm seeing some things that don't look like Damdred's town game, and he hasn't said a word I expect him to say yet. Could be scum.

^ That makes sense to me with new meta you're testing that early in the game. The certainty behind the case doesn't. I'm saying that he used a scalpel he'd never tested like a bludgeon. And given his success in previous games, I'm not inclined to write it off as newbie eagerness. He's obviously not knew to mafia, just TL Mafia. Which makes sense; Damdred brought me here from another site where we played mafia together as well.

On January 23 2018 22:54 Mocsta wrote:
Thats what the case says

Shows much you are paying attwntoion....

Jeez annoying isnt it

On January 24 2018 02:19 Holyflare wrote:
Lol I really like where this is going. I'm confirmed not mafia after tonight

On January 24 2018 09:14 Mocsta wrote:
So for the record: DarthFoley, TWAT/JAT, Mocsta is your team?

How about this.
If you genuinely think im the godfather, push me.
Otherwise, shut up and let JAT post.

I need to think about this cop claim.
Whether cop or mafia, Damerion can rightly say im town.
The BTDT green-check is not unexpected either.

damerion
why check me night 1?

On January 24 2018 17:11 justanothertownie wrote:
This is really nice. If people in this game can't read me they just have to take a look at the posts of Twat in the early game. Insanely towny. Even more suspicious how HF instantly puts this slot in his 2 player scum pile at the start of the dayphase.

On January 24 2018 16:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Right now I don't really think we should give damerion the luxury of outing a protective role with his fakeclaim depending on how improbable cop+vig already is.

On January 24 2018 20:32 Holyflare wrote:
Oh derp maybe I should have read op. Rbs are notified even if player is vanilla. There is also no jk possible.

On January 24 2018 21:46 Rels wrote:
that explains the weird posts earlier. But I find them passive. Talking about:




Like, you just learned that BTDT AND Damerion both claimed blue. This is huge info, one of them is scum! Damerion, who you thought during the night was cop, got counterclaimed! But instead of raging reactions, we got this. It seems very underwhelming for such a realization.

On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:


^^^^
Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?

On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:

I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for.

On January 25 2018 01:28 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, how is a town HF just accepting that claim without a doubt. I do not see it.

On January 25 2018 01:32 justanothertownie wrote:

There was a time where only damerion had claimed and you believed him. That's what I am talking about.

On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.

On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote:
Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know.

On January 25 2018 06:08 mderg wrote:

Talking about this

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 25 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:

since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense.

On January 25 2018 08:05 Rels wrote:

I can't believe you're arguing you softing the cop resulting in the cop being roleblocked is a good thing.

On January 25 2018 08:06 Rels wrote:
you talked as if you knew there was a RB in the game when you made that decision too. Which we didn't know.
Basically you're entering "pointless debate" mode, like in EOD1 with rsoul

On January 25 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:
NAI

why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather...

On January 25 2018 08:10 Rels wrote:

that was not the real point, and you managed to derive the debate from it. Hence, pointless debate. Like you're doing now.

On January 25 2018 08:21 Rels wrote:

The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie.

On January 24 2018 15:00 Kmatt wrote:
As much as I dislike HF's post for reasons Mocsta stated above, a Godfather is certainly on the table.

I'd be happy lynching the Twat Slot/JAT today.

BTDT is sketchy too, but I'm still unsure how to interpret his roleblock claim. I know if I was playing as Godfather I could use that excuse if I knew the people who had been roleblocked are dead and I can claim it uncontested. If there's no RB in a (semi-)closed setup then I'd be even bolder to take that potential credit. I'll wait to hear more on him.

Real quick, does anyone find Twat to be sketchy at this point? I had him casually marked as town like most people earlier, but he ducked out immediately after asking a question earlier.

On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote:
I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches.

On January 24 2018 15:06 Kmatt wrote:
Beyond that I'm willing to accept Damerion's claim(s), which puts the remaining potential townies at Mocsta/Rels/HF/Mderg. Rels is on the nice list, as is Mderg. HF is still HF, but he's certainly not my vote today. Mocsta is more null to me. A lot of text but nothing stands out to say "This guy is town". Cop checks are a bit more reliable than my gut, so until we get into a 4-way cop claim-off I'll let him slide.

On January 25 2018 08:29 Mocsta wrote:
No, im saying you are presenting biased position.

"im town, i was excited to find the cop crumb"
well, if anything, mafia are more excited is the other side of the coin.

NAI.

On January 26 2018 09:08 Rels wrote:

What do you mean ? HF started the day believing Damerion's claim. Then nothing happened apart from me and JAT voting Damerion, and then after the votes started to pile up he decided to vote him. It's definitely not a quick bus.

On January 26 2018 09:06 Kmatt wrote:
Does this theory on HF account for why he would bus him so quickly? I mean the whole thread was kind of against him but with how much he's been on me there wasn't even an attempt on a counterwagon.

On January 26 2018 09:55 Kmatt wrote:
No I just can't buy this.



I hate hate hate this post. How on Earth does Town!Holyflare back off now of all times? I don't pretend to have memorized meta, but I just can't accept anything but a full game-ending crusade against me at this point. I'll be the first to admit that my game so far is abysmal. I can't play town for shite to begin with, and this is a particularly foul example. You have every reason to doubt me. And you did! Repeatedly! There was a wall of text a few pages back.

Town!Holyflare has this game served to him on a silver platter. The only thing that happened between then and now is a red flip that you predicted when I defended him to the end. Suddenly Rels calls the banners and now you doubt my scumminess. I could almost see you going full OMGUS and turning on Rels, but you just alluded to him being town too. The only reason someone could reasonably townread me at this point is PoE (which requires a stronger scumread than me, which you didn't have an hour ago) or pure gut.

On January 26 2018 17:52 Rels wrote:

yeah ofc, it's a matter of speech. But I'm convinced HF is the last scum.

On January 26 2018 17:57 Rels wrote:
YOU RE TALKING ABOUT A DUDE THAT LIVED TWO LYNCHES WITH A RED CHECK.
"mm yeah he seems a little more active than the other dude, guess I'll lynch that other dude"
IT DOESNT WORK THAT WAY

On January 26 2018 18:24 Rels wrote:

That makes no sense too. In your scenario, Kmatt tried to save Damerion well after everybody else voted him and thought the claim was fake. It was no an all-in play, it had 0 chance of working. It's way, way more likely that it's just was Kmatt was thinking.

If you're looking for an all-in play from the scum team, I'll give it to you:
- Damerion hints that he's cop during the night
- HF hints that he understands Damerion is blue during the night
- Damerion claims cop during the day, and uses HF's hints to townread HF
- HF backs up Damerion's claim, saying it makes sense
- When the rest of the town don't believe Damerion, he changes his mind

On January 26 2018 18:29 justanothertownie wrote:

You know perfectly well that I always reconsider. Also quit playing the victim. You aligned super hard with mafia and now people are suspicious of you, boohoo. You are better than that. I also never called your Kmatt stuff bad because I think you are mafia. It just does not convince me in a vacuum.

Like people already pointed out you will never lynch mafia HF then.

HF has a lot of time to convince the one of Rels and myself that survives the night if he is town. Starting with some more analysis than "Kmatt is scum" now that we know 2/3 of the mafia team and can look for important interactions would be good. But right now I think it is too dangerous to lynch someone else. I don't think he we can let him live after his blatant agenda pushing this game and I have no confidence that people will lynch him later in the game.

On January 26 2018 19:59 Rels wrote:

lol. First, the false narrative was you thinking he got counterclaimed. Second, after you realized there was no counter claimed you continued voting him.

On January 26 2018 20:44 Rels wrote:

since what you're describing is 100% possible to be a fake dumbtell, it doesn't prove anything. You could have made this mistake as town. You could have faked it as scum. Neither is more likely considernig your scum play.

I'm glad you're defending yourself with this argument now so it's used. This is exactly the kind of things that I fear will convince other players if I'm dead tomorrow. @Anyone else: don't be convinced by this.

On January 26 2018 20:48 Rels wrote:
and yeah, roleblocks target being notified is also not very frequent, so it's also possible scum didn't even know their target would get notified. That adds to the whole "let's not think about it" thing.

On January 26 2018 21:38 justanothertownie wrote:
They shot Kelsier night 1 and DID NOT roleblock him. Noone else claimed the rb.
-> btdt is town unless they didn't use the rb at all

On January 26 2018 22:50 Mocsta wrote:
I give a shit about this because this type of thinking leads to a self fulfilling prophecy thay hf is lynched tomorrow

Everyone ahould be approaching this day with open eyes and ears

On January 27 2018 00:14 Rels wrote:

I don't like this type of question 'cause if I'm sure you're scum, it's also because I have reasons to townread everyone else. If you're not scum, the obvious answer is Kmatt, but more by default and 'cause I have stronger reasons to townread anyone else than him. But he looks more like low-activity town than scum.