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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On January 25 2018 03:45 Kmatt wrote: lmao no. If I see a counterclaim of any other blue I would hang him on the spot. The fact that no townie is taking an easy 1-for-1 tells me that he wasn't bullshitting. At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
On January 25 2018 04:19 mderg wrote: At this point counterclaiming would be a free blue kill for mafia. This is all under the assumption that he's a dead man walking regardless of what happens today. If you all want to call the bluff I can't stop you. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On January 25 2018 04:26 Kmatt wrote: This is all under the assumption that he's a dead man walking regardless of what happens today. If you all want to call the bluff I can't stop you. Of course things change, if there's some vote changes. I can' really see that happening, though. | ||
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
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Kmatt
United States1019 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 25 2018 04:41 mderg wrote: Maybe Damerion's reads change things, you never know. Yes, his reads. What were those again? | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On January 25 2018 04:34 Kmatt wrote: Personally an uncontested cop claim warrants reconsideration, but I seem to be alone in that regard. You do know you're not alone eh | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Talking about this + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2018 23:18 Damerion wrote: I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 25 2018 02:36 Kmatt wrote: I don't like lynching Damerion here without a counterclaim. It may not have been the best plan to spill the beans at the moment, but lynching him wins us no information at this point, and is unlikely to flip red (unless there's a counterclaim. Doc, if you're out there, now would be a good time). Even if he gets suppressed the rest of the game, he still votes with the town and/or eats a nightkill. As it stands BTDT or maybe HF are the better lynches. I understand the sentiment. But do your research to see if it's likely that we have two strong investigative roles: it's not. And apart from that, Damerion is the most scummy person in the thread, it's not like he's being lynched for his claim alone. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 25 2018 06:08 mderg wrote: Talking about this + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2018 23:18 Damerion wrote: I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim. It was very much rhetorical. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
It starts with the first big post Damerion made after coming back, in which he had this part: On January 24 2018 01:48 Damerion wrote: It was simple I am supremely confident in my ability to read the game and make decisions. And I believe highly even at this moment I will find scum and will not be lynched, in fact after the night is over I believe you will be unable to lynch me. To which HF immediately reacted: On January 24 2018 02:19 Holyflare wrote: Lol I really like where this is going. I'm confirmed not mafia after tonight  So. HF saw the hint that Damerion is blue, and immediately post it in the thread. Why ? What's the point of doing it if HF is town ? It gains town nothing. It's actually detrimental to the town, because if scum manage to understand it, they can use this information and kill or roleblock Damerion. Then it happens again. In another post later on, Damerion softs on his "green check" on Mocsta: On January 24 2018 03:12 Damerion wrote: In either case tomorrow I am sure I will find scum and be a hero again. Right now for instance I am sure Mocsta is town, there is no doubt in my mind. Holyflare and yourself are also high but not as high as him. And HF reacts with these two posts, showing again he thinks Damerion is blue, and more precisely, cop with a green check on mocsta: On January 24 2018 04:32 Holyflare wrote: Mocsta is my biggest town read too On January 24 2018 08:03 Holyflare wrote: No, for real. Now that he's said it I can see it. Once again, why ? The reasonning is the same as above. It's even obvious in retrospective, anyone searching for blue in the thread will pick it up - IE scums. So. It makes no sense for a town perspective to act like that. It makes total sense from a scum perspective though. The benefits are twofold: - it makes HF appear smart and thinking about the game. The ironic thing about it is that it's totally about the appearance. It only serves to appear townie; but when you take the time to think about the town motivation behind it, there is none, and it's actually detrimental to the town. Total scum pointer there. - if Damerion is his partner, this is a play prepared by both of them. It prepares the claim that will happen after the night is over: On January 24 2018 09:07 Holyflare wrote: If Damerion isn't claiming cop with a green check on mocsta then all is wrong with the world. And it attempts to gain towncred for HF: On January 24 2018 09:06 Damerion wrote: Holyflare caught me softing it and i seem to think it makes him town for me not being shot. On January 24 2018 09:18 Damerion wrote: And I disagree I think holyflare is more likely town in thia scenerio. Now here comes the meta part of this post. I think the above is sufficient to make anyone scum and making me want to lynch them. What's even scummier is that Holyflare is a player that always tries to play mindgames with the scum in order to make them waste kills or actions on Vanilla Townie. For example, he often says weird thing during the night, or says some player is an obvious blue, to confuse the scum team. But he has not done that this game. In contrario, he softed exactly who he thought was the cop 3 times in the thread. This is 100% against the way he plays. Now this is a meta read, so you will have to read some town games of his to verify it if you never played with him. But I think at least JAT can attest to it. TLDR: I think HF is scum, and I think Damerion & HF make perfect sense as a team. HF softing he thinks Damerion is blue during the night is (1) totally against a townie's interest and (2) totally against HF own meta. Furthermore, them being together actually explains these posts: it would mean they were preparing the fakeclaim as soon as Damerion re-entered the thread during N2. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 25 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote: No, I actually wanted him to be shot. since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On January 25 2018 07:59 Rels wrote: since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense. Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan. If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies: We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation. We confirm there's a rber in the game. If he's mafia and gets "rbd": They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 25 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote: Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan. If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies: We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation. We confirm there's a rber in the game. If he's mafia and gets "rbd": They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save. I can't believe you're arguing you softing the cop resulting in the cop being roleblocked is a good thing. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
and then use that rb claim to think btdt was claiming a role and lynching my partner anyway :D :D :D :D :D | ||
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