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On January 24 2018 23:01 Rels wrote:
So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you. Dont worry, my vote is staying where it is
However, this batch of discussion (including JAT) is tunneled.
Town or Mafia would feel pressured after Night2. I could see a blue hardclaiming in that circumstance.
This is essentially a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenario.
It doesnt matter though, the setup makes the claim extremely unlikely.
However, I was having trouble sleeping last night thinking of all the different perutations with this setup.
One oddity I couldnt get past regarding the the BTDT roleblock claim, is that the vet can be roleblocked for 1-shot NK.
Wouldnt ideal strategy be then to RB+NK?
Otherwise, vet can not only claim they are reason there was no NK, but can also claim the RB which makes them confirmed town.
I still cant fathom at all how a townie could vote to avoid modkill, but avoid sharing the roleblock knowledge.
The timing of everything is just frustrating.
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On January 25 2018 08:05 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 08:04 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 07:59 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 07:53 Holyflare wrote:
No, I actually wanted him to be shot. since the most likely outcome in that scenario was him being roleblocked, that makes no sense. Maybe you should think a bit deeper than your current thinking and get behind the actual plan. If he's town and gets rbd and rsolutin dies: We know there is no medic and he is almost definitely town cop because they killed the only person in the game that looked really towny without hesitation. We confirm there's a rber in the game. If he's mafia and gets "rbd": They can't use their rb on another power role because it notifies and medic gets to save. I can't believe you're arguing you softing the cop resulting in the cop being roleblocked is a good thing.
It is unequivocally a good thing.
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you talked as if you knew there was a RB in the game when you made that decision too. Which we didn't know.
Basically you're entering "pointless debate" mode, like in EOD1 with rsoul
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stop posting shitty conclusions and I'll stop entering pointless debate mode
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you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though
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On January 25 2018 08:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 23:01 Rels wrote:
So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you. Dont worry, my vote is staying where it is However, this batch of discussion (including JAT) is tunneled. Town or Mafia would feel pressured after Night2. I could see a blue hardclaiming in that circumstance. This is essentially a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenario. It doesnt matter though, the setup makes the claim extremely unlikely.
However, I was having trouble sleeping last night thinking of all the different perutations with this setup. One oddity I couldnt get past regarding the the BTDT roleblock claim, is that the vet can be roleblocked for 1-shot NK. Wouldnt ideal strategy be then to RB+NK? Otherwise, vet can not only claim they are reason there was no NK, but can also claim the RB which makes them confirmed town. I still cant fathom at all how a townie could vote to avoid modkill, but avoid sharing the roleblock knowledge. The timing of everything is just frustrating.
The fact that BTDT claimed being roleblocked is also in my mind, for that reason. But I don't think he's ever scum over Damerion & HF.
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On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for. What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that. NAI
why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather...
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On January 25 2018 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though
that was not the real point, and you managed to derive the debate from it. Hence, pointless debate. Like you're doing now.
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On January 25 2018 01:36 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 23:36 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 23:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Which brings me back to the original "wait, D3 and HF is alive" thing which I came up with jokingly. Reading OP is for scum and chumps he says yet he's not considered to be a chump, eh?
I mean we're still lynching into uncced blue. So? If he was real he would be rbed until all eternity now. He is literally useless now if he is the cop. Which he isn't. There is no way this setup has both a cop and a vig. You're just repeating what I said already  . I'm a bit torn on that matter. Slow down. Not true.
I dont want to talk anymore about this fake-cop claim.
But a dead cop is the same as a dead townie. Remember, if damerion was a "mislynch", the game would be in LYLO next cycle.
There are (perceived) valid reasons for even a town player to "fake-claim" in that scenario - unfortunately.
In the end, damerion is mafia. We know it, he knows it.
Anything he says is likely to be filled with WIFOM.
DONT DRINK THE WINE!
That Kelsier post may be the key to why he was shot night 1. Thats the type of WIFOM i prefer to talk about.
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On January 25 2018 08:06 Rels wrote:
you talked as if you knew there was a RB in the game when you made that decision too. Which we didn't know.
Basically you're entering "pointless debate" mode, like in EOD1 with rsoul
I'll be real, I didn't know any of the roles that can be in the game. This is my thought process that happened at the time he posted all of that:
"Damn maybe rsoul is right and i'll have to sheep it now."
---posts massive cop hints---
"OMG maybe I'm fucking right, this is the dream"
"I am putting in no effort into this game and people are starting to get suspicious, how can I look better while simultaneously doing nothing?"
---call out cop claim---
"They aren't going to shoot him because he's massive lynch bait and if he doesn't die and I've called out he's cop then I'll look better because he's not dead"
---btdt says he was rbd---
"Fuck sake, btdt counter claimed and he was the person df tried to vote off at eod."
"Am I mafia?"
---vote damerion---
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On January 25 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for. What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that. NAI why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather...
what does this even mean? are you saying damerion is the cop?
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On January 25 2018 08:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
you couldn't get much worse than he picked up activity after work which is coincidentally when the deadline is too so he's mafia argument though that was not the real point, and you managed to derive the debate from it. Hence, pointless debate. Like you're doing now.
The real point was that I wasn't posting anything (during my 10 hour work day) other than one off hand post during 2 minutes of free time and then I suddenly started pushing stuff when I had more free time that just so happened to be in a different direction (and on town) than rsoul wanted.
Welcome to playing against holyflare who lynches who he wants. Especially when the lynch is on someone that confirmed that the meta was true and he somehow fixed it???
Now the point is that I did something anti-town to appear town which is nothing but true but doesn't make me mafia in the slightest.
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You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.
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I don't believe any of it. I wouldn't believe it even if I didn't see trying to WIFOM the scum team at night in other games. Knowing this, I think you would have done the exact opposite and said you scumread him a lot, before saying otherwise in the morning. Or trying to swap with him. Or something like that.
This is the stupid part that is not believable as long as the RBer is not flipped.
"They aren't going to shoot him because he's massive lynch bait and if he doesn't die and I've called out he's cop then I'll look better because he's not dead"
Doing it pretty much assures his check is not gonna go off. This is against town best interest. Your "but the medic wouldn't be RBed in that case and rsoul lives!" is so far fetched.
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On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts.
The recent posts where he doesn't want to lynch Damerion against everyone are actually pretty townie.
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It's not far fetched in the slightest and I couldn't really give a shit if he died or got rbd.
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On January 25 2018 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
You are massively missing Kmatt's posts. What about them?
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The whole irony of this is:
HF lynched damdred for a reaction he believes wasnt anti-town play
Now Rels has pinged HF in the same reaction loop.
And HF doesnt want a bar of it lol.
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On January 25 2018 08:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 08:10 Mocsta wrote:On January 25 2018 01:29 Holyflare wrote:On January 25 2018 01:14 Rels wrote:On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for. What was the correct reaction? You have to see it from my perspective tbh. I spend the game looking at Damerion giving him the massive benefit of the doubt and crumbing cop all night so I'm excited that I was actually right. Then btdt claims rb on my way into work and I'm deflated af because I think it's a cc and my ego takes another hit at being wrong so I just auto vote Damerion and go to work (which is super busy) and don't care much more than that. NAI why cant mafia be excited to find a cop crumb? especially if one of them is Godfather... what does this even mean? are you saying damerion is the cop? No, im saying you are presenting biased position.
"im town, i was excited to find the cop crumb"
well, if anything, mafia are more excited is the other side of the coin.
NAI.
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