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On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand.
One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
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On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point.
I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
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On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
The claim had at least a part in those votes
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On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
There could be various reasons for this. One example: If he redchecks someone he actually has to fight that person 1v1 and considering his standing in the game he might just lose that.
On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement.
No, it is not. In fact I am the main reason you have those votes which you should know if you read this dayphase.
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On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare.
I agree it's shitty to be attacked over something you have no control over. It doesn't make the accusation any less true. 13 players setups with 2 strong investigative roles are:
- town favored
- rare, so unlikely to be in a newbie game
- in all 3 previous student iteration by this host, he had the standard 1 investigative + 1 protective in his 13 players games, and even going for only 1 investigative in his 12 players game for some reason.
So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you.
On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP.
HF can definitely fake something like that, so it doesn't prove anything.
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On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch.
That's a decent point. While I could see a reason to not fake a red check, I probably would fake one.
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On January 24 2018 23:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:58 beentheredonethat wrote:On January 24 2018 19:12 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Hm, summarizing:
- having a Cop is unlikely with a vig in (see above)
- his checks are meh
- roleblocker is confirmed, so if we leave him alive for another check, scum will just roleblock and not kill him.
- no counter claim, so if it is a fakeclaim, the real blue stays alive and un-outed
Actually, I think lynching Damerion is a good idea. Yup. Add to that how he is basically claiming to save himself since he was #1 lynch priority beforehand. One thing to note: if it's a fake claim, why doesn't he fake a red check? That way he'd make town throw away one mislynch. There could be various reasons for this. One example: If he redchecks someone he actually has to fight that person 1v1 and considering his standing in the game he might just lose that. Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:58 Damerion wrote:On January 24 2018 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2018 22:53 Damerion wrote:
I mean you call it pessimistic but I literally have 5 votes, three of the votes come from green checks and someone who believed my claim immediately. And you say I had no reason to claim? You gained these votes precisely and only because you claimed. Because the role you claim is very unrealistic at this point. I understand you not being caught up yet justanothertownie, but saying I gained those votes only because I claim is the unrealistic statement. No, it is not. In fact I am the main reason you have those votes which you should know if you read this dayphase.
I understand that you were the one who said the game is somewhat unrealistic with a cop and vigilante. But if you took a poll those same people would of voted me sans HolyFlare today.
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So Tina cased Damerion. Tina dies. Damerion claims cop. This is seriously fishy. The Tina kill makes Damerion the next lynch, almost auto. Even him claiming couldn't avert this. Which makes Tina the obvious easy kill choice for scum.
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On January 24 2018 23:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
Firstly I cannot say anything to past setups or if this one is to imbalanced for town, my checks were what I thought were the best at the moment and if I did not get the godfather we had three confirmed town with what to me seems very likely a fourth town in HolyFlare. I agree it's shitty to be attacked over something you have no control over. It doesn't make the accusation any less true. 13 players setups with 2 strong investigative roles are: - town favored - rare, so unlikely to be in a newbie game - in all 3 previous student iteration by this host, he had the standard 1 investigative + 1 protective in his 13 players games, and even going for only 1 investigative in his 12 players game for some reason. So, when you add the fact that it's basically the best moment to claim if you're scum, given that you're the prime lynch candidate, it's difficult to believe you. Show nested quote +On January 24 2018 22:11 Damerion wrote:
In any case, I still think BTDT, Mocsta and Holyflare are town in this situation, and I understand that I am the probable lynch today in any case. I have green checks on the first two, HolyFlare should of killed me as scum and he somewhat dumb telled himself when he was going over roles that scum should have to counteract a Vig+Cop when he included a framer which I do not believe is possible by the OP. HF can definitely fake something like that, so it doesn't prove anything.
I disagree with its the optimum moment to claim, the best moment to claim as scum is near the end of day when the most confusion can be created and you can slip out of a lynch instead of spending 48 hours under the microscope.
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Which brings me back to the original "wait, D3 and HF is alive" thing which I came up with jokingly. Reading OP is for scum and chumps he says yet he's not considered to be a chump, eh?
I mean we're still lynching into uncced blue.
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I have to do my errands but i'll be back in a couple hours to hopefully talk about reads instead of reasoning behind my claim.
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On January 24 2018 23:05 beentheredonethat wrote:
Which brings me back to the original "wait, D3 and HF is alive" thing which I came up with jokingly. Reading OP is for scum and chumps he says yet he's not considered to be a chump, eh?
I mean we're still lynching into uncced blue.
So? If he was real he would be rbed until all eternity now. He is literally useless now if he is the cop. Which he isn't.
There is no way this setup has both a cop and a vig.
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On January 20 2018 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
reckon the mafia QT was like
darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked
hf, damerion - got your back fam.
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this is not town damdred
look at damdred he is so scum.
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dramatised obvz.
This post. Next level.
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On January 25 2018 00:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
reckon the mafia QT was like
darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked
hf, damerion - got your back fam.
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this is not town damdred
look at damdred he is so scum.
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dramatised obvz. This post. Next level.
yep p:
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On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.
On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now.
^^^^
Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips.
The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?
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On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?
I changed my mind a few times regarding this question. But HF total lack of interest when he thought we had a claim / counterclaim situation + him believing Damerion instantly make me think he's scum and just faking this apathy. Cause it's the only thing me and rsoul townread him for.
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Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found.
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On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia?
The town one.
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On January 25 2018 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, he is really blatantly pushing mafia agenda eod1. No shame whatsoever. But HF is the guy to do this. What exactly was the reason to townread him? Because in the lead up to the lynch where it was a race between a town and a mafia there is absolutely no apathy to be found.
continue to read. And maybe apathy is the wrong choice of words, but it's the fact that his reads are static and haven't changed at all since the beginning of the game. I would expect scum!HF's game to be stronger than this. But now I think HF know this and is abusing it to appear "too scummy to be scum" compared to the expectation of his scum play.
If he was town, him accepting Damerion's claim at face value is absolutely dumb. It's not only static reads anymore.
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On January 25 2018 01:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2018 01:10 justanothertownie wrote:On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
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Damdred No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before? No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game. So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling. On January 20 2018 06:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
Hey your accusation is changing. Better get that in check. I had a bit of free time at work previously to skim and see a btdt post where he fucked off said lol mafia and went about working again. Now I'm home with more free time and am posting more.
What you're seemingly saying is that I'm doing mafia things deflecting off df when he's going up for lynch even though I'm saying I don't care if he dies. Even though I've stuck to my same scum reads and have pushed the same things.
Maybe I should be less active instead then? No, I mean you claiming that your difference in behavior to two different counterwagons is related to work is unverifiable. Could you perhaps have only time to read one post and that explains your reaction? Sure. Could it be you are scum and we're now pushing scum so suddenly it's more important to push the counterwagon, i.e. damdred? Sure. There is no way for me to know which of the two it is. It looks suspicious if darth foley flips scum because of that. No more, no less. Feel free to be as active as you like. I'm done with you for now. ^^^^ Interesting observation considering the damdred/darthfoley flips. The question is: is this coincidence and does HF just have a really bad towngame or is he simply mafia? The town one.
I am not convinced. I am having a hard time seeing you vehemently pushing for this damdred lynch despite townreading rsoultin who you know has a good read on him and who is also vehemently defending him. Like, you can disagree but you aren't even considering the fact that you could be wrong. It is really awful and scummy.
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