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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
January 19 2018 20:47 GMT
#401
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2018 20:47 GMT
#402
Damdred can I have your thoughts on:
On January 20 2018 00:40 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.

I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing.

What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley?

Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them?


I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him.

Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above.

rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:49 GMT
#403
On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.


You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.



I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.


And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2018 20:50 GMT
#404
On January 20 2018 05:47 Rels wrote:
Damdred can I have your thoughts on:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 00:40 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.

I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing.

What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley?

Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them?


I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him.

Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above.



to whatbpart? i have tryied to give up the bus, and laat time was accidental.

But i do love bussing and the cred i get meh
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2018 20:51 GMT
#405
On January 20 2018 05:34 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:30 KelsierSC wrote:
@Damdred

Can you explain why BTDT has gone from like a slight town read to never scum .


Sure, I liked his poatings and tone. he seemes free and relaxed, no hidden motivation to me reading his posts.

Not super panicked about being lynched as well. Ovrall hes a bit side lined but i like him meh

really disagree. Posting "I will AFK but I'm open to answer questions if anyone has any" is like a normal reaction from a scum that doesn't want to tryhard. Not saying it makes BTDT scum, but it's not a reaction that proves he's town. Don't know why he's lock town in your mind for that
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
January 19 2018 20:52 GMT
#406
Btdt gets lots of pressure put on him then conveniently the winds of change arrive and bad guy darth is the hot take of the day. No matter. Plenty of time for you all to see the error in your ways
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:52 GMT
#407
On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.


You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious.

And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently.

I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2018 20:52 GMT
#408
On January 20 2018 05:50 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:47 Rels wrote:
Damdred can I have your thoughts on:
On January 20 2018 00:40 Rels wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:38 Damerion wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:29 TheTwatyEvildoer wrote:
On January 18 2018 22:18 Damerion wrote:
Currently I have very little to go on, mostly just nulls. I will update that as we go.

I am confident that my read on Damdred is correct however, there is clear scum motivation for what he is doing.

What is your read on Mcosta Rico and DarthFoley?

Damdred just admitted that his meta is to mustang/bus his teammates as mafia. As someone who states he knows his meta, what is your opinion on his reads on them. And what are yours reads on them?


I think Damdred is overselling his ability to bus, he has stated multiple times in the past he wants to move away from bussing. And the onky reason he bussed in his last scum game was because it was an accident and his team accidently voted with him.

Damdred I would like your thoughts on the above.



to whatbpart? i have tryied to give up the bus, and laat time was accidental.

But i do love bussing and the cred i get meh

I think I saw you mention you love bussing at least 20 times since I've been playing mafia here. So I find weird that your friend Damerion is saying you're overselling your ability to bus. So since you know him well, I want to know if you think he could think that as town or not
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2018 20:55 GMT
#409
On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.


You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.



I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.


And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.

this is a pretty sexy post
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
January 19 2018 20:56 GMT
#410
On January 20 2018 05:52 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.


You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious.

And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently.

I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked.


And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:58 GMT
#411
On January 20 2018 05:56 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:52 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.


You know this constant blather about "easy to back out of" reads is irritating to me. It's flatout wrong. There is no statement or read that isn't easy to back out of. Town changes their minds. Scum can say they've changed their minds. Overwhelming certainty based on little evidence I find suspicious.

And you're right that we fundamentally disagree. I FUNDAMENTALLY believe that what he wrote was not vague. It had specifics for his stances, and clear stances even if they weren't necessarily strong. You FUNDAMENTALLY seem to believe people need to be egomaniacal narcissists to be town, apparently.

I just think you're bullshitting to defend a read you didn't have reasons for when I asked.


And I'm fundamentally done talking to you for now.


"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2018 20:59 GMT
#412
On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently.

It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia.

I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand.

The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
Damerion
Profile Joined September 2017
149 Posts
January 19 2018 21:03 GMT
#413
It is Damdreds fault that I have developed any sort of meta read on him from just a few games. He can confirm or deny this of course which is easy enough to see.

Besides the like thing, I found that out on my own.

Besides that I have no real way to prove anything.

And as for Damdreds motivation, he is a swag type player making plays for the laughs post game. Perhaps he wants to push off a scum partner, or wants to confuse the vote count eod.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 19 2018 21:04 GMT
#414
On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.


Scummy mocsta post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 19 2018 21:06 GMT
#415
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 21:07 GMT
#416
On January 20 2018 06:03 Damerion wrote:
It is Damdreds fault that I have developed any sort of meta read on him from just a few games. He can confirm or deny this of course which is easy enough to see.

Besides the like thing, I found that out on my own.

Besides that I have no real way to prove anything.

And as for Damdreds motivation, he is a swag type player making plays for the laughs post game. Perhaps he wants to push off a scum partner, or wants to confuse the vote count eod.


I'm not asking for proof in the sense that I want you to convince me that your meta read is right. Despite what I said to DF, I will openly admit that I 100% trust my own way of reading Damdred more than yours when I haven't the faintest who you are, and especially now that you say you've just cobbled this together.

What I want to know is where you're pulling your meta read from. You just put it together, so you should know. He does have a free-flowing game, but his build-up early looked like any free-flowing game I normally see from him. What makes it look different to you? What are you comparing it to that you see a discrepancy in?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 21:09 GMT
#417
On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 19 2018 21:10 GMT
#418
On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.


You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.



I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.


And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt?

I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games.

See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter.

So please walk me through it.


If it's bull shit why the fuck would damdred agree with it????
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 21:13 GMT
#419
Also, at anyone...

Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.

Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 19 2018 21:13 GMT
#420
On January 20 2018 06:09 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?


No I also dislike df but I won't lie and say that I've read anything he's said. Have no problem lynching him but I'm very very sure on damdred. No way he keeps both of these mafia reads for the whole game.


So why are you more fine with btdt than df? You didn't seem to be concerned at all about the btdt counterwagon and now you're yelling.


"now I'm yelling" should be translated to "now I'm actually home"

Btdt came into the thread saw votes and fucked off. Damdred also then tries to start a wagon against df siting that he just wants to get 2 votes and effectively leave. Damdred is definitely making me biased to prefer btdt (coupled with the apathy from btdt) over df.

But damdred lynch should one million percent be the lynch. Mocsta/btdt/damdred.
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