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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2018 20:17 GMT
#381
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 19 2018 20:18 GMT
#382
On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting


What is it that you like? His town read of you?
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:18 GMT
#383
On January 20 2018 05:16 KelsierSC wrote:
everytime I read that BTDT filter though....like does this guy really get a pass.

I guess in his defence there is less things to dislike than df.


There's less everything @.@

I feel like going for nulls or almost nulls when you have an actual posting scumread is boring, though. And coin flippy.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:19 GMT
#384
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

??? Isn't deadline in 3 and a half hours? I love having more people to talk with, don't get me wrong, but...lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 19 2018 20:20 GMT
#385
On January 20 2018 05:13 rsoultin wrote:
I'm down with a darth foley lynch.

@df...still want my answers. I dream of lynching scum day 1. If you insist on calling one of the most townread townies in the game scum, have at it, but even if you think I'm scum, if you're town it may help sway others -shrugs-


I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy.

I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:24 GMT
#386
On January 20 2018 05:20 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:13 rsoultin wrote:
I'm down with a darth foley lynch.

@df...still want my answers. I dream of lynching scum day 1. If you insist on calling one of the most townread townies in the game scum, have at it, but even if you think I'm scum, if you're town it may help sway others -shrugs-


I don't care how you or other people react to my reads lol. I hope I have time later before deadline but I'm gonna be busy.

I'm not sure what I didn't answer? Mocsta sided with the majority of people who thought Damdred was scum at a time when it was easy and low risk to do so. His other "reads" are vague and don't take any real stands. He reminds me of 30 page scum!Shapelog


Do I really have to spell this out for you? I struggle to see how you don't see stands there.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 19 2018 20:24 GMT
#387
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2018 20:25 GMT
#388
On January 20 2018 05:04 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:00 mderg wrote:
On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow

The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence.

On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then



On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:
On January 20 2018 00:16 rsoultin wrote:
On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then


???

he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around

I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years.
I would generally advice against meta reading me, though.


Y'all talking about how I didn't respond to Mocsta's big post after I called him out. I went to bed after I made that post and he responded like an hour later. How is that alignment indicative?

That's pretty much what I said.
Damerion
Profile Joined September 2017
149 Posts
January 19 2018 20:26 GMT
#389
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:29 GMT
#390
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

[...]

============================

Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).

Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.


How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it.

Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 19 2018 20:30 GMT
#391
@Damdred

Can you explain why BTDT has gone from like a slight town read to never scum .
Zerg for Life
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:33 GMT
#392
On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.


You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 19 2018 20:34 GMT
#393
On January 20 2018 05:30 KelsierSC wrote:
@Damdred

Can you explain why BTDT has gone from like a slight town read to never scum .


Sure, I liked his poatings and tone. he seemes free and relaxed, no hidden motivation to me reading his posts.

Not super panicked about being lynched as well. Ovrall hes a bit side lined but i like him meh
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 19 2018 20:38 GMT
#394
@Damdred. The point im a bit confused about is that you like BTDT from his insight about mocsta?

"As for BTDT, mostly its just a gut feeling and I agreed with his insight so he can be an ally for today."

However darth has been pretty against mocsta aswell.

So doesn't that mean darth is likely town aswell to you? in which case why would it be better to lynch him over BTDT .

unless of course Darth is mafia pushing town mocsta, but if so why would you like BTDT who's only notable read has been "mocsta is weird".

Or is you just like the tone of BTDT regardless of the mocsta stuff, and you want to lynch df because he is the only other wagon...
Zerg for Life
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
January 19 2018 20:39 GMT
#395
On January 20 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting


What is it that you like? His town read of you?

I didn't get the impression that he has me as town. Looked more like a scum -> null progression to me.


The 'we dislike the same post but your reasons are wrong' thing looks pretty good to me
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression

On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone


Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum


I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new.

Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.



This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread.

What is this reasoning?

On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 19 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:
That's because there's nothing there!

I just remember knock down drag out bitch fights from him. Clearly not present here.

He says he's eager to play pre-game...where is that after game starts? He's not afk so that's not an explanation.

Don't agree on the holyflare read being good. Though maybe he's played with holyflare more recently than me and that's why. And townreading me this game (except maybe in twatty's case which is actually kind of cute) is hardly insightful.

The mocsta stuff is super weak. In the realm of people shitting on mocsta, which I didn't like in general, his has to be the worst.

On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 19 2018 05:05 darthfoley wrote:
On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote:
I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird.
I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read


Oui mon ami, oui!

connerie, mes amis


^ He was definitely here to have an opinion or comment on...anything. Just anything. Didn't. Although I did just look up the French and now I want to ask him what he was disagreeing with.

I don't put him in the same category as prp and kmatt at all.

Still fine with a darth folely lynch though. Devil's advocate says if BTDT is town he's an easy one to point fingers at, and that was df.


Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch.


Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes?

I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
January 19 2018 20:39 GMT
#396
On January 20 2018 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
This
Is
Not
Town
Damdred


No problem with lynching btdt or damdred. Now you're making noise. Didn't you dislike df before?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 19 2018 20:40 GMT
#397
On January 20 2018 05:39 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:18 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 20 2018 05:15 mderg wrote:
I'm not liking that I more and more like how Rels is posting


What is it that you like? His town read of you?

I didn't get the impression that he has me as town. Looked more like a scum -> null progression to me.


The 'we dislike the same post but your reasons are wrong' thing looks pretty good to me
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 20 2018 04:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression

On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone


Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum


I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new.

Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.



This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread.

What is this reasoning?

On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 19 2018 20:10 rsoultin wrote:
That's because there's nothing there!

I just remember knock down drag out bitch fights from him. Clearly not present here.

He says he's eager to play pre-game...where is that after game starts? He's not afk so that's not an explanation.

Don't agree on the holyflare read being good. Though maybe he's played with holyflare more recently than me and that's why. And townreading me this game (except maybe in twatty's case which is actually kind of cute) is hardly insightful.

The mocsta stuff is super weak. In the realm of people shitting on mocsta, which I didn't like in general, his has to be the worst.

On January 19 2018 06:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 19 2018 05:05 darthfoley wrote:
On January 19 2018 01:21 Rels wrote:
I also don't like BTDT's first post. Feels weird.
I also don't like rsoul being the Damdred whisperer and being bothered with him but not poking him to get a proper read


Oui mon ami, oui!

connerie, mes amis


^ He was definitely here to have an opinion or comment on...anything. Just anything. Didn't. Although I did just look up the French and now I want to ask him what he was disagreeing with.

I don't put him in the same category as prp and kmatt at all.

Still fine with a darth folely lynch though. Devil's advocate says if BTDT is town he's an easy one to point fingers at, and that was df.


Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch.


Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes?

I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you.


ok fair enough
Zerg for Life
Damerion
Profile Joined September 2017
149 Posts
January 19 2018 20:43 GMT
#398
On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.

Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.

He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.

And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.

This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.

Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.

I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me.


You!

I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit.

Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play.

Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch.



I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe).

Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
January 19 2018 20:45 GMT
#399
reckon the mafia QT was like

darth - Yo HF, damerion get back in the thread i'm getting fucked

hf, damerion - got your back fam.


---
this is not town damdred

look at damdred he is so scum.

----

dramatised obvz.
Zerg for Life
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 19 2018 20:46 GMT
#400
On January 20 2018 05:17 Damdred wrote:
need two more votes on df fast, or he will save himself and im lynched.

we still have a few hours
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