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On January 20 2018 06:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:49 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:43 Damerion wrote:On January 20 2018 05:33 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2018 05:26 Damerion wrote:
Just got off shift, apologies.
Listen to me, yes it is possible I am tunneled upon my friend Damdred. However look at his actions around this lynch.
He has no interactions with BTDT, no interactions with Mocsta, No real interactions with DarthFoley.
And yet someone who thrives on interactions and town hunting has no dynamic shifts in his reads. And yet has come up with these reads that do not change and he pushes withbsupreme confidence.
This is not the day one Damdred who flip flops and changes with the wind.
Also look at how he is handling the lynch, he just wants to get the vote knto Darthfoley and secure it away from himself without encouraging discussion.
I understand I am hyper focused but if you look at my past games I am generally right. So please follow me. You! I need a game where you've used this meta read before. Not specifically the 'like' bit. Your last game with him you focused on him a bit, but I saw nothing to indicate a meta way of reading him that you resort to so early in the game as you did this one. And I can't be assed to go back through every game people play. Also, you're wrong on bussing. Forget the name of the game, but Damdred and Glowingbear bussed the shit out of each other in it to the point of being entirely detrimental to themselves and not knowing when to stop. Bussing is part of his scum play and a stated effort to change that doesn't mean he wouldn't buss, and doesn't invalidate a claim that he busses by any stretch. I do not believe I have ever used this exact meta read on Damdred before as it was something I picked out after he tricked me as scum last game we played. And also I quit focusing on him after he accidently killed TickTock (I believe). Generally speaking even without the flimsy meta of "like" that Damdred claims to have diacovered. The case has merits based on his response. Refusal to really reevaluate reads which he does so well normally and him trying to sew up a lynch so early. And your explanation for his not just jumping on btdt? I'd like to see how you built your meta case if it's entirely on that game in November. Well, obviously it couldn't be, because you'd also need town games. See what bugs me here is I have played with Damdred many times. I too have a meta way of reading him generally. And while some of your details are correct, we're reaching different conclusions. And you came out hard. Like you have a rock solid meta read on Damdred, tried and true, you know your shit, he's scum, period. For something just created from last game that's a ton of certainty when the game had barely started. It tickles my bullshit meter. So please walk me through it. If it's bull shit why the fuck would damdred agree with it????
He didn't.
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On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning
I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff.
My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since.
He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts.
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On January 20 2018 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
Lol btdt and damdred are a team
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You weren't home for that?
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On January 20 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
Also, at anyone...
Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.
Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol ><
Damerion has pushed a lynch on scum 100% of the time in every gamr I've played with him. He generally lives 3 ish days and all 3 days he pushes scum. He has correctly got scum about 12/12 times.
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On January 20 2018 06:14 rsoultin wrote:
You weren't home for that?
No I finished work at 7
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Also @rels can you expand on why my read on BTDT is correct but the reasons are wrong? Specifically please.
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On January 20 2018 06:14 rsoultin wrote:
But it also proves I'm smart and follow through with my thoughts. Past me was really good.
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I don't remember why I typed that though but past me was clearly ahead of his time.
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On January 20 2018 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff. My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since. He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts.
Not what you said at all earlier but the first thing that rings possibly true to me. Did you perhaps consider time differences when coming to this conclusion, or...?
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On January 20 2018 06:14 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
Also, at anyone...
Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.
Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol >< Damerion has pushed a lynch on scum 100% of the time in every gamr I've played with him. He generally lives 3 ish days and all 3 days he pushes scum. He has correctly got scum about 12/12 times.
Not in the november game.
Games, please.
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On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that.
so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired.
I think it's because I saw this and instantly thought he was mafia.
Now confirmed mafia damdred is pushing AWAY from btdt because "reasons" onto df for nothing?
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On January 20 2018 06:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:59 mderg wrote:On January 20 2018 05:47 darthfoley wrote:On January 20 2018 05:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
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Priority #2: Other comments of interest
Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?
Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.
mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. How is any of this vague? If this a genuine opinion from you, I need you to explain it. Because right now it seems like you decided to keep calling him scum and hastily constructed an answer that you yourself can't support without making vague claims that I see no factual grounds for. Yes he gives a little nibble here or there of a conclusion but he leaves so much wiggle room for backing off. I don't know why this point is so hard for you to understand and why you disagree so vehemently. It looks like typical light shade throwing without much commitment. For example, "mderg used hyperbole" I think can be read either way. Town use hyperbole all the time but in different ways than mafia. I'm moving on from this because I've explained myself and if you still don't get it then I guess we just fundamentally disagree on the issue at hand. The wiggle room tuff would make me scum in 90% of my games, which makes me dislike that reasoning I think you guys are misunderstanding my point on Mocsta. I don't believe that "because Mocsta is unsure of things on D1 he must be scum." Obviously by definition town are not going to know things and be unsure of stuff. My point is that when you read Mocsta's filter, it's very focused on what other people think of the game. He loves to ask questions and then overanalyze their responses. His "reads" to me don't seem like someone unsure of themselves and trying to follow up with said people to figure it out. He voted Damdred at an opportune time, and hasn't really done much since. He mentions me/HF/you as sort of in the realm of possibility, sort of maybe sus but doesn't really commit to it. That isn't the biggest issue: the biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to be interested in finding answers to any of the questions and queries he posts. Not what you said at all earlier but the first thing that rings possibly true to me. Did you perhaps consider time differences when coming to this conclusion, or...?
Not particularly, no. I don't think time differences really matter. I often leave questions during NA night time for EU people when they wake up
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On January 20 2018 06:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On January 20 2018 06:13 rsoultin wrote:
Also, at anyone...
Do you guys know damerion to be this person who thinks he knows everything based off one game? There are people like that, and I don't want to tunnel the shit out of him based on a perception that no one should be that certain if he's just got the personality type. I just know me. Get a feel for someone. Check the feel against later games. Comment if necessary, otherwise don't. Adjust to results.
Become a wishy-washy black hole of doubt after being wrong a lot lol >< Damerion has pushed a lynch on scum 100% of the time in every gamr I've played with him. He generally lives 3 ish days and all 3 days he pushes scum. He has correctly got scum about 12/12 times. Not in the november game. Games, please.
Stop wasting your time and brandishing your flagrantly wrong damdred read and vote him.
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On January 20 2018 06:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2018 06:03 Damerion wrote:
It is Damdreds fault that I have developed any sort of meta read on him from just a few games. He can confirm or deny this of course which is easy enough to see.
Besides the like thing, I found that out on my own.
Besides that I have no real way to prove anything.
And as for Damdreds motivation, he is a swag type player making plays for the laughs post game. Perhaps he wants to push off a scum partner, or wants to confuse the vote count eod. I'm not asking for proof in the sense that I want you to convince me that your meta read is right. Despite what I said to DF, I will openly admit that I 100% trust my own way of reading Damdred more than yours when I haven't the faintest who you are, and especially now that you say you've just cobbled this together. What I want to know is where you're pulling your meta read from. You just put it together, so you should know. He does have a free-flowing game, but his build-up early looked like any free-flowing game I normally see from him. What makes it look different to you? What are you comparing it to that you see a discrepancy in?
Ive pulled it from reading past games, talking mafia with Damdred. I do not know what else to say other than that?
I do not feel like his early game was free flowing however, in fact his gameplay has been hyper static this whole game.
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On January 20 2018 06:15 Holyflare wrote:No I finished work at 7
Hmmm...
See for me, I think...look at him fine with the btdt damdred lynch. Look at him bitching once we switch to df. If df flips scum that's very interesting.
Your story could be real and you're fucked by coincidence if df flips scum, or it could be a lie. And I have no way of knowing if it's real or not.
I can say that my desire to lynch btdt has diminished.
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What world are we living in where I am getting called a liar for an easily provable truth lol? What shit play is that.
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-throws things at holyflare-
I really hope you're not town this game. You're annoyingly unhelpful.
I can see the btdt/damdred explanation so I guess that's fair.
@damerion I'm clearly asking for specifics but I'm just as clearly not going to get them. Pft.
-grumbles and trundles off to the damdred filter-
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On January 20 2018 06:21 Holyflare wrote:
What world are we living in where I am getting called a liar for an easily provable truth lol? What shit play is that.
What exactly is easily provable about when you claim to be working?
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