Newbie Student Mafia XXVIII - Page 18

On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that.

so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired.

On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote:


I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new.

Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh.

On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote:


Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch.

On January 20 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote:
But since you're here, where are you on mocsta?

On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote:
TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred
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I am concerned...

I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads.



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If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club.
Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler +

Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above.

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But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds.


Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case

• Case is quite subjective to me, and presents a damned-if-you, damned-if-you-don't argument.
  Acceptable for early Day1 and overall, I catergorise this as a poke.
  
• Damdred brushing off the case is only indicative of confidence, rather than alignment
  
• Damerion followup is OK given the case/poke premise of meta.
  
• Damdred wanting to work together is only indicative of understanding the game mechanics , rather than alignment.

Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response.

"Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy"
"But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway."
"but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?"

This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst.

I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak.
This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker.

Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it.
Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap?

Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play.

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Priority #2: Other comments of interest


Holyflare
Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted.
On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner;
On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e.
focusing on behaviour rather than motive).
Am i wrong to expect more?

Darthfoley
Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies.
I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?!
More investigating required.

mderg
I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten.
Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to
damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine."
Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg.
An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless.

On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well

On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression



This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread.

What is this reasoning?



Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes?

On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote:
The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck.

Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression



This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread.

What is this reasoning?



Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes?

On January 20 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote:
*Burp* why have you summined mw

On January 20 2018 04:54 darthfoley wrote:
I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific.

On January 20 2018 01:51 Kmatt wrote:
Also I don't see myself voting Damdred today unless he does something seriously incriminating. The way things are headed I'd be okay with a BTDT wagon.

On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote:


btdt is weak I would agree.

I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe.

df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum.

then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum.

basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad.

I think df or btdt is scum though.

On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote:
I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum.

Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch?

On January 20 2018 04:57 rsoultin wrote:


You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out.

On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote:
It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow

On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote:
oh no thinking of marghell
mderg can be scum as well then

On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote:

he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around

On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote:
Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well