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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 20 2018 03:48 beentheredonethat wrote: I come here, read just the top of page 17, and it's a btdt wagon. that's scum pushing afk btdt. I've literally been there, done that. so anything I'm supposed to answer? I'm not catching up rn, im tired. do something | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression On January 19 2018 19:29 KelsierSC wrote: I don't think a list like this is very good. In reality you have provided yourself a lot of outs to change opinion without putting forward anything new. Can you expand on df and explain why he is meh. This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? On January 19 2018 20:15 KelsierSC wrote: Fair enough, I don't remember ever playing with BTDT so I will take your word on it. He has been weak , I would prefer to lynch df at this point but if nothing else is forthcoming from BTDT then he becomes a better lynch. Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Damdred, Damdred, Damdred! Mocsta please df. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:39 rsoultin wrote: But since you're here, where are you on mocsta? I tried reading through your pages long back and forth with Mocsta but it ended up becoming minute detail drivel that I couldn't follow. Everything he's said has seemingly been super nitpicky or in the weeds. I don't see him really interacting with anyone except to focus on very specific little moments that he then goes to great lengths to overanalyze. I call this the Shapelog syndrome. Basically looooots of words with very little content. Like I still don't know where his head is besides the fact that he is obsessed with talking about someone else's conversation with you on Damdred. Wut. So yea he's still on my scum list. Also ##Vote: BTDT | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Damdred
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 19 2018 11:55 Mocsta wrote: TL;DR: ##Vote: Damdred ============================ I am concerned... I am seeing a pattern of people issuing town reads (solely) for being congruent with their reads. ============================ If you want me to join the town circle-jerk club. Fine: There is only one individual that gives me consitently good feelings and that is + Show Spoiler + TWAT. Why? Because whilst mafia and town have the same priorites during Day1 (i.e. establish innocence); I dont believe mafia are capable of consistently simulating in parallel: - paranoia - confirmation bias / fixed dichotomy mindset - willingness to throw out a position Whilst I dont agree with the conclusions drawn by this player, I dont think the motives are malicious due to the above. ============================ But, I would rather weigh in on nulls and reds. Priority #1: What to make of damerion/damdred case
Whilst I have no qualm with Damdred brushing off the case, i do have a problem with how Damdred clings to the mocsta/DF thread sentiment throughout his filter and case response. "Why doesn't it make sense that they could be scum together (mocsta and DF), they have no real interactions together (yet)...But still a bit much to make a decision either way I suppose. But both are scummy" "But id be happy just lynching moc today anyway." "but also seems like a way to change conversation away from DF and moc who I guess you have at null?" This is wishy washy at best, and non-congruent with the town-play meta argument at worst. I think a town that is +1 bandwagoning would be more likely to get frustrated during this exchange. Especially in day1 when circles are small, and paranoia can be at its peak. This is not present at all. Rather, whilst being poked Damdred remains calculated in response; making it even more intrigruing that a firm opinion is held without a firm base. Uncharacteristic of a measured thinker. Overall, I observe Damdred employing an "appeal to emotion" through reconjuring thread bias without further substantiating or developing it. Whilst, town is capable of using this (typically under confirmation bias) - at what point can it be deduced that Damdred is experiencing confirmation bias?? At what point can it be deduced that Damdred is poking somone, or laying a trap? Rather, I prefer the simplest explanation: that an appeal to emotion is a tactic associated with lazy mafia play. ============================ Priority #2: Other comments of interest Holyflare Im confused by HF - until he "couldnt fathom the mindset" of kelsier, I wasnt actually sure why damdred was voted. On one hand, I feel that HF is constantly prodding people in a constructive manner; On the other hand, whilst he has communicated why he voted damdred, its for reasoning I dont agree with (i.e. focusing on behaviour rather than motive). Am i wrong to expect more? Darthfoley Reads like he is observing the game and commenting for funsies. I dont know how to explain it other than its feels like he is here, yet not actually in the moment?!?! More investigating required. mderg I feel that mderg is trying to post just enough to not be forgotten. Its interesting that the biggest attempt to persuade the thread revolves around shifting the focus from damdred to damerion. "Using the fact that Damdred left the thread is like the weakest reason to push the read I can imagine." Given I think the poke was fair game, i think this is hyperbole from mderg. An interesting connection with potentially interesting timing nonetheless. ??? darth foley? comments? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote: Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well Possibly 1 in 4 I'd say. Or Kelsier could just be buddying up to me but whatever I'm buddied for the moment. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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darthfoley
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Your BTDT read is not very good TBH. We both didn't like the same post but I don't think your reasons to scumread BTDT are very good. On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? I don't follow how KSC asking for a clarification of his read on you implies he townreads you. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:43 darthfoley wrote: The fact that like 4 people are agreeing with my scum read on BTDT while also pushing me is scummy as fuck. Kelsier sticks out as particularly odd in this progression This implies some sense of skepticism or town read on me. He then 180s more or less by giving a vague summary of my filter to justify the current hot-take in the thread. What is this reasoning? Why do you prefer to lynch DF > BTDT but if BTDT doesn't do anything, then BTDT > DF. How does this make any sense? Why would your lynch preference change if nothing changes? It isn't "scummy as fuck" that people think both you and BTDT are scummy. There are reasons why you are scummy and reasons why BTDT are scummy. One of you is town who is not appearing town and we are figuring it out. I think you are being overly aggresive about this. In regards to your questions to myself. I was unsure of you and I haven't liked mderg so I wanted to see what he said about you. The second question, well like I said you have both done things I don't like but BTDT his inactivity is bad. So the longer he is inactive the worse it gets for BTDT. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:52 Damdred wrote: *Burp* why have you summined mw Yeeees. See beetle juice powers! \o/ Weren't you going to, I don't know, play? If you're town (and I still think you are but you're making me doubt in ways I don't like) you're making it hard for me to find a way to not lynch you, you know. I do not make good cases. I just make a good gnat. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:54 darthfoley wrote: I just commented on my opinion of Mocsta. If you have a specific line of questioning, then be more specific. You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 20 2018 01:51 Kmatt wrote: Also I don't see myself voting Damdred today unless he does something seriously incriminating. The way things are headed I'd be okay with a BTDT wagon. so do you like df then? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Basically. + Show Spoiler + At this point i'd lynch between mderg, maybe df then prplhz,kmatt and btdt need to put more into the thread. On January 19 2018 20:13 KelsierSC wrote: btdt is weak I would agree. I think df was one of the first people to call him out on that which gives me pause because df is also scummy to me. his post about costa talking to much , I guess his town read of rels makes sense in retrospect if they both think btdt is scummy. but is that enough for a town read...maybe. df twice talked about the damerion/damdred thing, didnt commit to one side and then tried to get an alternate lynch going. First one he said damerion was being too aggressive or confirmation biased and then said btdt was scum. then he said he wasn't sure on damdred/damerion and needed to reread, but costa was scum. basically not committing to anyside and trying to get some alternative lynch going. The costa one especially felt bad. I think df or btdt is scum though. Now that people seem to be warming to the idea of DF/BTDT wagons, mderg is conveniently forgotten even though he doesn't provide any explanation. Like he goes through all this effort to basically summarize my whole filter as some justification to vote me. On January 19 2018 20:39 KelsierSC wrote: I guess BTDT works as a lynch . I suppose he has a high chance of flipping scum. Mderg you are here , what do you think about a BTDT lynch? BTDT has a higher chance of flipping scum after he just spent a whole post talking about how i'm scummy. And then votes on BTDT. At least it's very unlikely that he and BTDT are teamed if they're mafia | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:57 rsoultin wrote: You came up with a vague opinion. Minute drivel, where is it? Point it out. Read what he wrote about me, mderg, and HF again and tell me if he actually says an opinion in any of his reads. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On January 19 2018 23:59 Rels wrote: It's strong words for what Mocsta did, IE respond for a post. Then the next posts is Mocsta begings making big posts, and DF don't follow The lack of reponse to Mocsta's posts doesn't make sense as either alignment unless it's an unlucky coincidence. On January 20 2018 00:12 Rels wrote: oh no thinking of marghell mderg can be scum as well then  On January 20 2018 00:27 Rels wrote: he's just kinda floating in the thread, and his list post was out of nowhere and the reasonning were pretty vague. So it didn't match my view of him being top-tier scum. Then I checked and he was not the top-tier scum I remembered. But checking his last town game where he got lynched D1 he was also apparently just floating around I'm definitely top tier scum when the stars align every 200 years. I would generally advice against meta reading me, though. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On January 20 2018 04:50 darthfoley wrote: Atm I think BTDT/Mocsta/Kelscier are decent chances to hit scum. Rsoultin as well This seems ... Like are you just upset that people think you are scum | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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