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On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi
For all the people who are suckers for a last will post let's go through this last will post.
- Skynx is town (but for some reason not higher that LS and Ruxxar).
- LS and Ruxxar are town but he is not sure (yeah so why they are higher than Skynx? -- i mean Artanis MUST have really strong read on Skynx when he laid off him like that when Skynx was up for lynch)
- Vivax/HF "idk"
- TW/Oats "idk"
- Damdred and Koshi mafia, nice but whatever anyone says neither of Damdred and Koshi can never ever be lynched in case Artanis gets lynched and flips mafia. So there is no harm in calling them mafia if he is mafia. Also Damdred is the towniest person in the game, regardless of Artanis' read on him he should always townread Damdred, that's a fact. He knows Damdred well wnough to know that.
Basically, last will list post says nothing.
Then this:
On August 27 2017 04:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:First mislynch as town. Hope expectations for me will be lower next time. Gl guys 
Does this look like a townie post? To me it doesn't, at all.
HF gets a downgrade for the ridiculous accusation on people who voted for his scumread (he has always scumread Artanis, there is no reason for him not to) when Koshi flipped town. I do not think he should make that post as town, i don't understand any of it.
Vivax being afk doesn't really mean anything.
Oats probably scum because didn't try to push Tumblewood, when people tried doing anything that was not Koshi he went into "you can't do that". Cant lynch ruxxar, cant lynch Artanis, cant lynch cant lynch..... I understand wanting to lynch your scumread over someone else, but not listening and just calling everyone out who want to do something else in a way he did is scummy as fuck, especially since Koshi flipped town. It was not like he went "no, you are wrong and we should lynch Koshi instead", it was more like "i will yell at you and i will not allow you to do this". I also do not like his play at all, i can see where he is coming from but he isn't really trying to interact with anyone, he just points out random stuff on random people and comes to scome conclusion. There is no direction, just a lot of posting. does anyone even remember why he scumreads Tumblewood? Because i don't. That's not townie play, Oats knows better, having a scumread is only 20%, the rest of it is getting other people to realize the read and believe it, and that's not something Oats is doing.
geript still mafia.
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EBWOP:
regardless of Damdred's vote on him he should always townread Damdred, that's a fact.
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Here is the last post timestamp (from Koshi filter) what Artanis scumreads Koshi for:
August 25 2017 21:09 MSK
Here is this post:
On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey artanis, you happen to have any mafia reads? I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.
At this point Artanis has already all the information on geript and Koshi (the post where he calls geript mafia happened after every post he quoted on Koshi scumread). He calls geript mafia.
When Skynx is not anymore a realistic lynch, and he needs to switch, he switches to Koshi instead of geript. But at this point he needs to think geript is actually more scummy than Koshi is, geript is also at this point a realistic lynch choice.
Nobody who is smart can never ever think Koshi and geript are both mafia. Artanis is smart. The only reasons why he should ever vote Koshi here instead of geript are:
1) He is mafia with geript
2) He doesn't care to read and/or figure out which one of these two is in fact mafia (this is backed off by the earlier, he calls both mafia but isn't interested at all in actually reading them). Basically he has thought this almost all game, yet doesn't care to do anything about this in the first 3/4 of the day.
Neither of these make any sense as town. If you think there are 2 scummy people who cannot possibly be mafia together, you should always have an urge to figure out which one of your reads is wrong. Especially when they are your top scumreads and both of them basically voteleaders (aside from Skynx at the time).
What artanis did is is not townie, ever. Never.
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I need to change my perspective. I was just annoyed by people not voting koshi for no reasons when they were pretty good. You're right about artanis' posts and it just reminded me about his koshi read switch.
What were the votes when he decided to sheep me?
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Oh you wrote a post about it om
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This is the votecount at the time, after Artanis' switch:
On August 26 2017 23:55 AMG wrote:Vote Count - Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Oatsmaster
- Holyflare (0) -
Vivax
- Skynx (2) - Vivax, Holyflare
- Koshi (3) - geript, ruXxar, Artanis[Xp]
- geript (3) - Koshi, Skynx, raynpelikoneet
- Artanis[Xp] (0) -
Holyflare
Non-voters (3): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood
Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched.
Deadline is in (at Saturday, Aug 26 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).
But this doesn't tell the whole truth. It is very easy to predict that i am going to vote for geript because i have been telling you, HF, that i don't really think Koshi is mafia. Artanis can very easily predict that, hell everyone should be able to predict that since i have made this post already:
On August 26 2017 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:I am going to take a break since i unfortunately feel like this game is 8v4 right now. 
Basically Artanis says he's gonna sheep me on either of them, and does the opposite he should 100% know i will do.
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Sorry this is the votecount:
On August 26 2017 23:55 AMG wrote:Vote Count - Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Oatsmaster
- Holyflare (0) -
Vivax
- Skynx (3) - Vivax, raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
- Koshi (3) - geript, ruXxar, Artanis[Xp]
- geript (2) - Koshi, Skynx
- Artanis[Xp] (0) -
Holyflare
Non-voters (3): LightningStrike, Damdred, Tumblewood
Currently, Koshi is set to be lynched.
Deadline is in (at Saturday, Aug 26 7:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00)).
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Vivax you need to explain the following thing:
This is how our conversation went:
On August 26 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 21:29 Skynx wrote:
I see how i constructed it horribly actually.
TW +1'ing was not true so what Koshi implied wasn't true so i said that's what i mean trying to imply the opposite was true as his basis was wrong. Koshi didn't ask whether TW +1d, he asked why ppl asking you to check his town games can't be mafia. This isn't about TW +1ing. You said that it's what you mean (that they can be mafia) after saying that they are town if Koshi is mafia. This really isn't about TW +1ing or not.
On August 26 2017 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
You said that it's what you mean (that they can be mafia) after saying that they are town if Koshi is mafia.
This really isn't about TW +1ing or not. He has already explained this.
On August 26 2017 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, he is saying he did not actually say "i think what Koshi says here is right", which is probably correct. In that light his thought process actually makes sense, regardless of how good or bad it is.
After this you just left the thread without ever returning.
This is what you're saying today:
On August 27 2017 08:32 Vivax wrote:
You lynched Koshi? Gratz.
I was expecting skynx to die 100 % when I posted the tomb stone. Instead you lynched the guy with the huge D1 filter for some bad reasons I kept pointing out.
No, there is no way you expected Skynx to get lynched when you left the thread.
I think you can be mafia too. Maybe i am wrong on Oats.
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On August 26 2017 21:01 Vivax wrote:
I'd settle for killing Ruxxar who sits in the sidelines occasionally sniping vulnerable posts as well and other reasons mentioned earlier. I think he's also mafia cause he doesn't sound as pants on head while being spammy as fuck like the last game I was in with him.
Also Oats, but his bad tunnel on me might have clouded my judgement.
Then Artanis for pretending to agree with the whole skynx issue then immediately starting to post a case on Koshi and laughing at skynx while doing it.
Then HF for a bit of paranoia and cause he's also after Koshi.
That should also be enough reads for skynx. The rest of the game is pretty much in at the very least a weak town pile. I still don't see how anything makes Koshi mafia besides for wanting to kill afkers at some point, and jokish posts where he claims scum.
"I thought Skynx was 100% getting lynched"...
Yeahhhhh right you did.
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scum pile:
Artanis
Vivax
maybe scum pile:
geript
Oatsmaster
Ignore pile:
Ruxxar
Just a pile:
Holyflare
town pile:
everyone else
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But always lynch Artanis first. Then everyone in the wagon is 98,2% town.
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can we get the EOD post linked from the 1st page under important posts?
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On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi
I don't understand something here.
Why is damdred lock scum, while all the other people you mentioned are null, townish or whatnot.
It doesn't seem to me like your reason for scum reading damdred is any stronger than the reasons you have given for any of your other "maybe" people.
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I think Artanis did the classic Titanic-Vivax thing:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tFZrhQa.jpg)
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@Rayn main reason I couldn't actually go into the Koshi vs Geript thing any deeper is because I didn't have the time. I had guests over which I already stated before, and I thought Skynx was scum until he started replying to me in a way that I thought was townie. Rest of your case is just padding.
On August 28 2017 00:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2017 04:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Last will:
Don't think Skynx is mafia still despite the switch. Too combative to the few people who were still townreading him, and didn't seem particularly interested in his self-preservation. Tonally feels town too.
Rayn is most likely town. I don't see any benefit for the blue claim as scum.
ruXxar should be town but Tina once told me that he makes more sense as scum than as town. Maybe he just made sense to me but there you go.
LS was gonna say he probably isn't mafia, but then I realized this is mainly sheeping a Damdred read. Still think he's likely town but eh.
Vivax/HF are both in the wait and see category, but in very different ways. Keep a tab on Vivax' post count now and in a few days. If it's barely grown he's probably mafia. For HF, if he hasn't found and pushed mafia or died by d3 he's mafia.
TW/Oats could be mafia. TW feels like he's just stood on the sidelines and said stuff but never really cared to get any of it through. Problem is that's the case for his games all the time. Much the same for Oats, though he's more aggressive with his reads and how he states it he doesn't really seem to push for anything.
Town:
Rayn
LS
ruXxar
Townish:
Skynx
LS
Vivax
HF
Null:
TW
Oats
Null-scummish
Geript
Scum
Damdred
Koshi I don't understand something here. Why is damdred lock scum, while all the other people you mentioned are null, townish or whatnot. It doesn't seem to me like your reason for scum reading damdred is any stronger than the reasons you have given for any of your other "maybe" people.
Honestly a lot of that was OMGUS. I felt like it was clear that my switch from Skynx to either Koshi or Geript makes no sense from a mafia perspective. I could understand a few players that don't know me as well and/or tunnel quickly (hi Rayn) to not analyze that properly, but I have a lot of respect for Damdred's ability to analyze. It just felt like something that he should pick up on. That and I just was at a place where I was quite clueless about the game.
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On August 28 2017 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:I think Artanis did the classic Titanic-Vivax thing:
False. This was the last time I indicated Geript was my top scumread:
On August 26 2017 07:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey artanis, you happen to have any mafia reads? I think Geript is the most likely to be mafia atm, but I need to actually read the content I missed at work to give you any more than that.
Before that, this was.
On August 25 2017 15:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean if geript is mafia and Skynx is town why WOULDNT geript talk about Skynx? Presumably because he believes everyone's already said what there is to be said about Skynx. Kinda why I view the whole Geript is scum because he didn't talk about Skynx argument to be NAI. What I don't like about Geript is how he votes Koshi and calls him mafia in the first post about him, but then just proceeds to call everything "pretty odd" "weird" and a lot of other words that don't say "scum". Show nested quote +Everyone passing around the LS townread when they should know better is a bit weird. Reminds me of how Marv got caught as scum once.
Which was earlier than the reasons I gave for Koshi being scum:
On August 26 2017 20:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:21 Koshi wrote:
I decided that a geript/HF/Ruxxar team is possible. This is the first time he mentioned HF possibly being scum. Since then, he's mentioned HF like this: Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:24 Koshi wrote:
I just keep claiming mafia to make it easy for you. Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:29 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax
Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx
Very very slight townread
Tumblewood
MIA
Oatsmaster
LoL so bad probably mafia
HF
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:31 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
Read koshi filter and his posts towards tw. Realise tw was a scum read and it's disappeared off the face of the earth.
Then look at his skynx progression. Skynx is probably mafia/bad looking after i post a good case (never votes skynx) into nothing changing but somehow he won't join the skynx wagon and now skynx is not even a mafia read. No posts in between.
His artanis read is "that's a good thought" but anyone with any semblance of a town thought can see artanis' read is forced as fuck and crumbled completely but koshi bypasses that.
Koshi's list of mafia initially magically became a list of an afk guy, a guy with 1 post and geript. Trash tier list. Now he got called out for it he's had to completely change it to some new bs that isn't congruent with his thoughts at all.
His post to me when I fake claimed mafia was also talking to me like I was town and should "join the town circle" pandering to me because he knows my alignment. He purports he didn't realise but that's bs.
Every koshi thought has been completely contradicted by his actions. There are either two koshis playing on his account or he's mafia.
LoL so bad probably mafia
HF
Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:38 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:34 Holyflare wrote:
Thinking more about koshi and artanis their interactions do seem a bit forced.
We lynch koshi today. Absolutely no way is his filter townie. I wish you the best of luck. It is going to be possible. I think your play is to convince rayn (shouldn't be hard), and then the townie out of Ruxxar and geript. Should be really easy if that by some miracle that is geript. Then the other one is a free vote as well. I wonder if you will need the third mafia. Better not sit with 3 mafia on my wagon. Just not good for my ego end game. Show nested quote +On August 25 2017 23:54 Koshi wrote:On August 25 2017 23:53 Holyflare wrote:On August 25 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:
I've read the thread.
Only solid read is that skynx is town.
I saw koshis opening post and thought koshi is mafia, just as skynx did.
Oh boy mafia just throwing themselves out psshh psshhh: You need his vote on me. Gotta make friends. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him. What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:
Town for a very long time
Damdred
Vivax
Going to read them town for now
LightningStrike
Artanis[Xp]
raynpelikoneet
Skynx
Very very slight townread
Tumblewood
MIA
Oatsmaster
Mafia
Geript
ruXxar
HF gl hf bois. I think I am at least 2/3 right. HF is pretty certain mafia. He has been horribly shitty last couple of games (correct readwise (and compared to me)) but I think this is beyond that. Punish the mafia. I really think I am very right. Maybe rayn is mafia as well. But I don't think he is. So do not lynch Skynx/Artanis in future days when I am lynched. Go for geript/ruxx and hf. I truly hope some of you quote this post a couple times in future days.
On August 26 2017 00:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:33 ruXxar wrote:On August 26 2017 00:30 Koshi wrote:On August 26 2017 00:29 ruXxar wrote:
Its more interesting that Koshi seems to assume that there is some giant town push about to go down on skynx and he has to stand against us to defend him. What? I think you need to take HF his advice and not push me. It is going to have a backwards effect. HF told me to not push you? Where? I am just mafia bullshitting bro. No worries.
On August 26 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Like... Both HF and Vivax are notoriously bad on D1. So don't trust them lol. (I repeat: HF is probably mafia this game. Whenever I say things like this it is because I work in a "what if" world)
I am without doubt the best D1 reader. No doubt.
I am telling you the lynch needs to be within geript/HF/Ruxxar.
I am telling you Skynx is town for now. Do not touch him D1. There are no longer mafia left that could be his partner.
I am super against an Artanis lynch as 4th option. But he is more likely town for his play today. However, I can see the "underwhelming" lynch be tempting.
2/3 mafia is with Ruxx/HF/Geript.
I know it is true.
Literally 0 explanation for his scumread.[/QUOTE]
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I went to look into Koshi because I found his filter weird as I was catching up to the thread, which was around the same time I started moving away from wanting to lynch Skynx.
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I don't believe you. Sure it is possible but i do not believe you.
During the time you had this "thought" you did:
On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.
Rescinding rayn townread.
Skynx townread then rayn not so town anymore.
Some arguing with Holyflare.
Ruxxar town read.
Some random things on Oats.
Scumread on geript. (note that all the stuff on Koshi has happened at this point).
Random things on Vivax.
More defending on Skynx.
Arguing with Holyflare (no conclusions).
Then, the read on Skynx.
On August 26 2017 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
HF said that you were thinking about koshi in a backwards way from "if koshi is mafia these guys are town" instead of "if koshi is town, these guys are mafia".
But taking into view that you actually suspected koshi for being mafia, it makes perfect sense that you used that view in your thoughts and not the other way around. ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing. Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out.... It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought. Not really, no. I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this. I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something. Skynx literally just threw out a random thought there. I do that all the time. The fact that you're putting so much stock into this is ridiculous. See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process. On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say
It is very simple. Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y. No way. I am starting to come around to this. Need to read Skynx' filter.
Now before the actual scumread on Skynx (or where you say you need to read his filter, there is over 19 hours, and about 50% of your filter. You literally didn't do anything proactive during that time, you werent focused on Skynx because you didn't have a scumread on Skynx. Apparently your scumreads on geript and Koshi are from that time, yet you didn't do ANYTHING to get those reads out into the thread, and did basically EVERYTHING that was not getting those reads out into the thread.
Only when it started mattering, aka we are lynching one of those two people, you started caring, and even then you made a very irrational choice at that time.
So no, i don't believe your explanation.
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What i mean is, i don't care if you can make 1 post or 100 posts but when you make 50 and none of them are trying to get your scumread lynched you can't say "it's because i didn't have time" as it clearly is not where you used your time when you had time.
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On August 28 2017 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:I don't believe you. Sure it is possible but i do not believe you. During the time you had this "thought" you did: Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 00:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually really hate that rayn focussed solely on my skynx read and didnt mention the point hf brought up regarding him saying the same thing to skynx last game to rels. Normally rayn goes after people that townread him for reasons he finds bad. He scumreads me anyway but doesnt mention it at all.
Rescinding rayn townread. Skynx townread then rayn not so town anymore. Some arguing with Holyflare. Ruxxar town read. Some random things on Oats. Scumread on geript. (note that all the stuff on Koshi has happened at this point).Random things on Vivax. More defending on Skynx. Arguing with Holyflare (no conclusions). Then, the read on Skynx. Show nested quote +On August 26 2017 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On August 26 2017 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 26 2017 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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ruXxar making more sense than most people in the thread. It's amazing. Not really no. Because Skynx didnt suspect Koshi beingmafia anymore. I think this got JUST sorted out.... It doesn't matter. There were 10 minutes in between his post and he was thinking about Koshi being scum for a while now, and thus probably theorizing from that point still. It makes sense for that to be his first thought. Not really, no. I can really easily see me doing that. If I can and I'm town, and a few others can like ruxxar and Koshi (and we can't all be scum, unless you think its me/ruxx/koshi and ALL scum focussed on defending town lynchbait here), then clearly it's dumb to keep focussing on this. I don't know if ruxxar and Koshi can see themselves doing that, maybe they can see Skynx doing that. If you can see yourself doing that i think that makes you not very good mafia player then. Especially how fast paced our game is making good judgement calls on the fly is a necessity (i mean for being good), and after all -- if you are not sure 1 hr into the game there is no reason to post before you have thought out what you say as town , when someone JUST debunked your theory about something. Skynx literally just threw out a random thought there. I do that all the time. The fact that you're putting so much stock into this is ridiculous. See even you can't see this for whatever reason. I don't care if his conclusion was ridiculous. That doesn't necessarily make him scummy. The point is how he explains the "why did you do this" doesn't line up with any sort of townie thought process. On August 25 2017 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skynx: LS/TW/Vivax cant be mafia if Koshi is mafia
rayn: why?
[conversation about why]
Koshi: You understand that what LS and TW did was put pressure on you by +1ing Vivax. Safe play as mafia.
Skynx: That's what im trying to say
It is very simple. Do stuff and say your conclusion is X, when someone asks you to explain take someone else's comment that looks better and say you actually did Y. No way. I am starting to come around to this. Need to read Skynx' filter. Now before the actual scumread on Skynx (or where you say you need to read his filter, there is over 19 hours, and about 50% of your filter. You literally didn't do anything proactive during that time, you werent focused on Skynx because you didn't have a scumread on Skynx. Apparently your scumreads on geript and Koshi are from that time, yet you didn't do ANYTHING to get those reads out into the thread, and did basically EVERYTHING that was not getting those reads out into the thread. Only when it started mattering, aka we are lynching one of those two people, you started caring, and even then you made a very irrational choice at that time. So no, i don't believe your explanation.
I wasn't scumreading Koshi back then. Just because I was in the thread arguing with people doesn't mean I was caught up. That happened again earlier. Even if my top scumread of Geript was after Koshi made all those posts, that doesn't mean I actually had read those posts. Koshi being scum just made sense to me when I filtered him during the catchup I did yesterday morning.
It's also hard to focus on the actual game when all you're doing is defending yourself from scumreads. I don't have the time to do both and I'm wired to defend myself first.
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