[T] MS Paint-Off Mafia - Page 7

On August 17 2017 22:34 Holyflare wrote:
Don't sheep reads.

I sheeped hf's read on you.

:D

On August 16 2017 05:39 Jealous wrote:
Parking on rayn until I look at FF's filter later tonight. Definitely not voting for H1 but I guess I will have to do my due diligence and look at his filter too; even though he's one of my hard town reads, that kind of false confidence and unwillingness to read filters is exactly what makes people play bad.

On August 17 2017 13:53 Jealous wrote:

Okay so first I'll explain my thought process reading the relevant posts, and I'll post a conclusion after I'm done.

Looking at this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1445



I'm guessing the implication here is that TW was trying to appear more townie because he already knew what the outcome of lynching FF would be.



One has to keep in mind that this is in response to this TW post:

+ Show Spoiler +

Which was made four hours before the Day 1 Eliminations were posted: I also don't see any mention of FF in there.

+ Show Spoiler +

Is geript implying that TW was trying to raise H1's scum value and raise FF's townie value? I guess I can see that from a scum perspective, but I think it's NAI. Plenty of people have been giving relatively unexplained reads and changes in those reads based on vague one-liners. If every person who did that in this game was scum, there would be like 0 town players in this game lol. And again, FF was not mentioned in the post that geript was referencing.

Moving on, I agree with geript that TW's CopCake post was bad. I also called him out on it, and after a brief back-and-forth he stopped answering me on that subject in particular, here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=53#1058

Then he picked it back up later:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=55#1090

I respond to this, and he doesn't respond once again. So yea, not a good track record. I would think that my posts would deserve at least an "Oh, ok," or something of that nature. From what I'm seeing here, I'm not seeing even that.

In response to this post by geript:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/525420-ms-paint-off-mafia?page=73#1448

I do agree with geript that the timing of TW's "filter analysis" is suspect. That is something that might get missed if someone isn't careful when they look at TW's filter, especially in the short-term when it now says "8 hours ago" or whatever. So, that's a good catch and definitely more worthwhile than that other argument that centered around timing, which was just bad in all directions imo (though I appreciated the sentiment from H1).

I just don't understand why TW would claim to filter dive then come back so soon afterwards with those conclusions in a logical townie TW universe. He's not an idiot.

I also agree with geript's analysis of what TW's options were, but I feel like I'm not appreciating the full impact of that argument; what are the conclusions in this case? As in, TW is scum because... He lied about reading filters? What did he gain from this lie, if we assume that it was a 3 town lynch pool? I guess the implication would have to be that it's not a 3 town lynch pool - in which case, the narrative being pushed is that TW was trying to distance himself from H1 and buddybuddy with FF/rayn. Which means... TW + H1 team?

Conclusion: I do agree with a lot of geript's analysis; I will have to revisit my H1 read to see how much I can agree with the universe that is being created as a result, if I understood it correctly. Perhaps geript can clarify for me if my analysis of her argument is correct. I did have a strong H1 town read, but that was quite some time ago; however, I don't recall seeing anything scummy from H1 recently.

In short: Potentially plausible, need more feedback to be sure and need to do more research in the morning to confirm.

On August 18 2017 01:03 Jealous wrote:





Thanks.

On August 18 2017 02:01 Eversince wrote:
@Damd,

New mess that will escalate way past in the time I write this post but w/e.

Rels: He can go to slightly mafia. I gave him a free pass because of last game. He has proven to be staying at least up to date with the thread though so why is he just lurking? Using a known townie playstyle as town to fuck off and afk D1 I can accept. Trash I think but fine. But using a townie playstyle to coast by lurking is super dirty. Like usually he's mia for a long time, comes back with a long winded short vr of the entire player list. He obviously could of done that by now but he hasn't.

CC: Moved to null. Snippy attitude is just preventing her from being productive. She seems standoffish. I don't see a reason for it. Not lynch material but I'm hoping for more.

TW: Not going to reiterate other peoples words. They said them. I agree with them. Would lynch.

HF: Can go to slightly town. Outside of my skeptical bias I think his abrasive playstyle is just that. Regardless of his alignment. And aside from the early mess he has been mostly on point. Could be good mafia play but right now there is just a lot of other options I'd put ahead of him. So for my own piece of mind I'm going to do this for now so I can worry on other things.

Jealous: He seems kind of lost atm? I don't like the HF speculation because I find it kind of pointless. I'm still think he's probably town though. Why would he put in the work to derail any progress on purpose as mafia? I'll keep it in mind but as long as he gets back on track D2 no worries.

Hope: I don't think he's done much other than agree with TW case, call for a gun, and now this big nasty waste of 4-5 pg of space dominated by a pointless mechanics discussion. I think this whole thing is fishy as fuck considering "I can sort of accept that, but your not out of you" so take your read and drop it. But that's not what we got at all.

Rayn: I liked Rayn catching up but this second fight about nothing makes me super nervous. #2 bout that I personally think is an entirely pointless agrument to be dragging out. but it being night I'm wait until tomorrow and see how he handles his reads then. Can stay at null for right now.

Damd: I feel like you haven't done much else still. I didn't like your position yesterday, I didn't like how you criticized my reads when we get no clear indication of how yours develop, and you haven't done much to change any of that. It's like you're turning in math homework with all the answers filled in but none of the work. We have no idea how you got there. Which could be mafia driven I think but I can see lost or lazy town possibility in it aswell. Not in my immediate lynch pool but definitely in my slightly mafia bracket.

Rit can get moved into slight mafia bracket too. Missing the vote is not un-heard of but since the only vivid thing I can remember is way early in the game being mad about being a clock. If Ritz is trying to blend into the background and be ignored, doing especially well.

On August 17 2017 22:51 Conversion wrote:
@Jealous



why did you end up never doing anything you mentioned and left your vote parked on rayn?

On August 17 2017 22:54 Conversion wrote:
also your gun post was bad for reasons mentioned by geript, and then you leave us this little gem



tl;dr you could have typed "I agree with geript's analysis" and you would save every town time in reading this big post of nothing, and ended with the same "I need to revisit Hopeless' filter," which you said you'd do since yesterday

soo.. why aren't you doing anything? you're clearly around.

On August 18 2017 02:18 Tumblewood wrote:
updated list

town
1der
cake
rit
rayn
conv

don't think he's mafia but u can never be sure
hf

the mafia should all be in here
jealous
geript
es
damdred
rels

On August 18 2017 10:49 geript wrote:

You referring to the latched on thing?

On August 19 2017 00:59 Hopeless1der wrote:

game slowed down, but you have no comment on copcakes wall of tinfoil?!

Like, neither do I but I'm actively ignoring it because she called me scum.

good post bro, top tier.