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On August 22 2017 19:32 Superbia wrote:
Jeez Jealous. Why did you leave your vote on ran d1 lynch? That messed me up real bad.
As I said in the thread, I couldn't completely trust HF yet because I didn't 100% believe the mod note proved rayn was town, and thus the circumstances surrounding rayn were the most suspicious. Should have stuck to it with more fervor. It was also why I voted for rayn in this last cycle.
On August 22 2017 22:35 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's kinda alarming that the only person who realized this is ritoky (idk, Conversion maybe too). Even the judges couldn't figure out this is not how townies should act. if that pool was geript/disinfo/jealous I would have 1000% pushed for a jealous lynch probably the scummiest looking townie in this entire game, for what it's worth coming from me. at least CopCake had the decency, even through a language barrier, to talk to me and answer my questions ~_~
On August 22 2017 23:04 Koshi wrote:
Jealous best drawings 2017 btw. I am going to make a compilation and add them to the best of 2017 thread.
Thanks! I mostly signed up just to paint but I got caught up in actually playing the game at one point, one thing led to another and I never got to paint as much as I wanted to. Ping me for the next MS Paint-themed game and I will sign up, don't care about format. Will try not to get sucked into bullshit.
On August 23 2017 00:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2017 05:29 Jealous wrote:On August 15 2017 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Guys are you excited for our contest? less than 10 minutes! Ohyea... How did you know???????????????????????????
I picked the three people most likely to be townread by the judges. It was a second level townread.
Tl;dr:
GG. Apologies to Conversion, although you were far more vitriolic than I - I never insulted your intelligence so I don't see why you got so salty. WP to geript and HF, and ritoky + judges in the end. Thank you to admin for running this, even though I definitely think you messed up a few times.
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On August 23 2017 00:40 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 19:32 Superbia wrote:
Jeez Jealous. Why did you leave your vote on ran d1 lynch? That messed me up real bad. As I said in the thread, I couldn't completely trust HF yet because I didn't 100% believe the mod note proved rayn was town, and thus the circumstances surrounding rayn were the most suspicious. Should have stuck to it with more fervor. It was also why I voted for rayn in this last cycle. Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:35 Conversion wrote:On August 22 2017 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's kinda alarming that the only person who realized this is ritoky (idk, Conversion maybe too). Even the judges couldn't figure out this is not how townies should act. if that pool was geript/disinfo/jealous I would have 1000% pushed for a jealous lynch probably the scummiest looking townie in this entire game, for what it's worth coming from me. at least CopCake had the decency, even through a language barrier, to talk to me and answer my questions ~_~ Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 23:04 Koshi wrote:
Jealous best drawings 2017 btw. I am going to make a compilation and add them to the best of 2017 thread. Thanks! I mostly signed up just to paint but I got caught up in actually playing the game at one point, one thing led to another and I never got to paint as much as I wanted to. Ping me for the next MS Paint-themed game and I will sign up, don't care about format. Will try not to get sucked into bullshit. Show nested quote +On August 23 2017 00:02 Koshi wrote:On August 15 2017 05:29 Jealous wrote:On August 15 2017 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
Guys are you excited for our contest? less than 10 minutes! Ohyea... How did you know??????????????????????????? I picked the three people most likely to be townread by the judges. It was a second level townread. Tl;dr: GG. Apologies to Conversion, although you were far more vitriolic than I - I never insulted your intelligence so I don't see why you got so salty. WP to geript and HF, and ritoky + judges in the end. Thank you to admin for running this, even though I definitely think you messed up a few times.
just a perfect cascade of some BS happening in real life that made me get super salty at everything and everyone
later posts were just tongue in cheek jabs
no need to apologize man I was super toxic this game
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that was unexpected 
gg to all who played and thanks to the hosts! also gj to judges for getting the entire scumteam d3 
i'd like to think that i played pretty well. this was a frustrating game at times, but not really because of the setup. i think the setup had some potential, but i would rather play a regular mafia game. i think the top town voting was annoying without adding too much to the game, and i would rather see 48 hours to pick between 3 (maybe more) candidates.
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although the judge seems like the perfect role for me . sit up in my ivory tower and decide who is mafia while being conftown
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On August 23 2017 02:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Fecalfeast mvp
you bet buddy, just like me.
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How can I have the skin of this forum that allows avatars?
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I think I saw it in one link lof the Judges quicktopic, seeing avatars will help me tons.
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Great game. Got to say that playing judge was very enjoyable and felt easy with my two fellas. It's very strong already to be able to work with two confirmed town without having to be on the defensive and explain oneself excessively.
Towards the end we all started converging towards the right solution almost on its own. Superbia and Koshi scummed geript, then I looked at the game again, then rayn/geript interactions came up, and Damdred kill made ES/disfo look bad already, etc. . Took me a while to accept HFs ritoky check at face value.
Memorable points:
- Jealous played the game like I hoped it'd be played. The paintings were top stuff. The excuses for being absent midgame were also easy to buy and legit ofc but reading excuses always leaves behind a bad taste no matter what.
- The Damdred kill was odd but also understandable with the HF powerup. But Damdred wasn't really in the clear at that point for most of the thread I think. Copcake or Jealous would probably have been a better kill alone for being the other nominations besides HF.
- HF played a great game, the tilting at times was okay since it really contributed to reading him town (in hindsight). Don't really understand what the entire copcake thing was about as it read just like she got bullied for having hipster reads.
Also a point is his rayn modconfirmation thingy which left me and maybe others confused for quite a while and was wrong anyway.
- I felt really bad for nominating FF as I only afterwards realized that he was playing a nice game. Hopeless too played really well and I'm not used to see a filter of that size on him. But alternatives at the time were only Rels and Onegu and they both were too low volume to consider.
- Still don't know how to read TW.
- Many thanks to Koshi, HF and Jealous for the laughs this game.
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I dont know how to fix the judge mechanic. Its amazing in concept but it makes the game really hard. I felt like I had no say on the outcome as town, largely because I didnt think the judges would ever trust me. Maybe thats a reflection on me: maybe I should git gud?
At any rate, I feel town needs something to give them power, whether thats a majority lynch or a innocent child, I dont know.
I also think mafia has no strength other than thread presence which is totally unfair. Give them a rb, or a vest-shot, or a vote-manipulation.
That's how I would try to balance this game, after having played it.
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And a big thanks to the hosts for a fun setup ofc.
I think maybe judges mechanic should go like this:
Three picks for scum for town to pick from, then two picks for scum and one pick from towns, and judges have a free vig shot that has to be used before nomination 2 (cause it becomes easier to choose right as the game goes on), then they are removed from the game to slightly reduce their influence.
At least after the first nomination town already can start picking their lynch. And after the second the judges are gone.
Either way, limiting lynches to three people is very town favoured. Anyone can do dumb stuff towards EoD without repercussions as long as he isn't nominated. And mafia can't just push the weakest townies as long as they aren't in the list, so maybe the mechanic should be removed completely.
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On August 23 2017 02:42 Vivax wrote:
And a big thanks to the hosts for a fun setup ofc.
I think maybe judges mechanic should go like this:
Three picks for scum for town to pick from, then two picks for scum and one pick from towns, and judges have a free vig shot that has to be used before nomination 2 (cause it becomes easier to choose right as the game goes on), then they are removed from the game to slightly reduce their influence.
At least after the first nomination town already can start picking their lynch. And after the second the judges are gone.
Either way, limiting lynches to three people is very town favoured. Anyone can do dumb stuff towards EoD without repercussions as long as he isn't nominated. And mafia can't just push the weakest townies as long as they aren't in the list, so maybe the mechanic should be removed completely.
A large part of the game is the judge mechanic. If we remove it, its a normal game.
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I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that any mechanics that limit the lynch pool end up not being fun for the rest of the players. Perhaps having the judges only have an item-like role, or have them vote for the mafia in their own QT which if accurate empowers town and if inaccurate empowers mafia in some way through roles could work.
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On August 23 2017 02:32 CopCake wrote:
How can I have the skin of this forum that allows avatars?
Maybe you clicked one of my links and saw the game from Liquiddota.com
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On August 23 2017 03:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kinda coming to the conclusion that any mechanics that limit the lynch pool end up not being fun for the rest of the players. Perhaps having the judges only have an item-like role, or have them vote for the mafia in their own QT which if accurate empowers town and if inaccurate empowers mafia in some way through roles could work.
That *sounds* great but its not a good conclusion. Yes we know the judges are town, but that doesnt mean we trust their conclusion. That last round? I think scum could have won that because we were pants on head as a town. If either of the judges or the mafia had more control that would never happen. The setup was solid, just some minor tweaks to give town more information (but much less power) so that the scumhunting can actually be focused on the gameplay, not on the mechanics.
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God damnit. Here I should have nailed geript + rayn scumteam. Had reasons for both to be mafia. And a connection.
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Still top notch analysis.
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Just look at that. Nailed geript/rayn and correctly read CC/TW.
/flex
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On August 22 2017 22:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 22:34 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 22 2017 22:29 rsoultin wrote:On August 22 2017 22:25 Conversion wrote:let me first say: I am sorry rayn for raging at you. I haven't been great personally and I took that out on you calling everyone shit, and pushed it too far. On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM oh I'm not taking it personally!! I think I have a lot to improve on (especially with my raging this game). I think I was just frustrated because in a normal game I could read your motivation for putting people up for lynch, but since I couldn't, I was lost. I couldn't think of why (until the geript/disinfo/rayn lynch pool) the pool was what it was stuff to learn in trying to figure out the judges instead of being mad about it, right? EDIT: also thank you hosts for being patient with me even though I took it too far this game. I'll probably cool off for a bit before getting myself into a mafia game next time! Well, this is why we can't keep judges separate from the thread entirely if we try a setup like this again. Damdred's idea may just be the best one. Make everyone a player and judges pick pools for power-ups, not lynches. The judges were awesome this game. Great reads compared to their town counterparts, very active (other than Night 2 which was weekend). And players presumed they must be afk, or mafia was picking pools, because the reads didn't line up with theirs. Eh. I see no way around that presumption without interaction, and frustration on all sides, unfortunately Judges gave us a free carry. If mafia tried to play that through I think they stood a chance. I wasnt going to lynch geript for days. yeeeeaahhh...we made a mistake. namely, we were dealing with a separate issue when hf asked about rb notification on the shot, and did not have the context for hf's question. the concession felt highly emotional to me on the back of that announcement in-thread i by no means think that there was any form of inevitability to the scum loss this game. reads change. who assumes that the lynch pool was all mafia anyway? one more mislynch and judges are out and town loses lynching tumble because only the judges had a good read on him. but i understand the reaction to the rb notification *in b4 geript/rayn come back with how imbalanced the game was lol >> i agree we could have balanced it better but no, i don't think the setup was the reason for your loss, or the reason for the bad position some of you were in onegu/eversince did nothing for their slot rayn got caught out early. not setup related at all both rayn and geript showed major face on d2...ritoky's analysis was sexy that's gameplay, not setup. the setup probably didn't help...but i wouldn't blame it entirely on that
No it wasn't emotional about the ruling per se. Look at it from our perspective.
1. We're guaranteed to lose 1 mafia today.
2. HF is 100% shooting mafia tonight--which at best uses up the RB and confirms me as scum. for me getting lynched.
3. How does Rayn/Disinfo not get lynched in like 3 straight lynches.
Like, I've done a pretty okish job connecting to Hopeless and distancing from Disinfo; but between Ever's play and voting (plus general thread lean), Disinfo not getting lynched/cop checked/PoE'd from cop checks, etc. is almost impossible. It's just a time saving move.
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Knowing alignments now I still would have lynched rels 10/10 times.
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On August 23 2017 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Just look at that. Nailed geript/rayn and correctly read CC/TW.
/flex
we're proud of you Will Smith (ty based god Koshi)
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