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On August 22 2017 21:31 Damdred wrote:
People can say I was a bad kill weird kill.
But literally I called the whole scum team with decent reasoning (but btw eversince gave you guys away) in in a qt! I would of been town hero with another day alive.
Not bad, but yes, weird. Objectively, rayn, geript, hf in game (and especially when you weren't highly townread by the majority) and you as N1 should lead people to question those three. It wasn't negativity on you, Ian.
The same thing happened with me in rayn's game. I do get killed N1/N2 semi-regularly but probably shouldn't have been the night kill if not for strong town players rolling scum that game, especially after being russianed.
I didn't take offense at people finding that weird cause I get it -pokes-
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I don't take insults to people finding the kill strange, because honestly it was strange and there were only three scenarios that it brought up.
1) Medic dodge
2) Ritoky was scum
3) Respect kill
I still think it's a mixture of one and three. But they were right as I figured out the game fairly early after I died (which isn't exactly note worthy granted).
Really to bad I chickens out on my geript read early though lol.
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On August 22 2017 21:31 Damdred wrote:
People can say I was a bad kill weird kill.
But literally I called the whole scum team with decent reasoning (but btw eversince gave you guys away) in in a qt! I would of been town hero with another day alive.
holy shit damdred is new town god.
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On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash 
Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while.
I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad.
1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip.
We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM
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I think I have a way to read rayn now at least. Get into shouting matches and challenge him to death.
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On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM
I cant say I blame you, I played like scum this game since TW never went up for lynch.
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On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM
Man I felt so bad when I saw FF's posts during the lynch.  That was a bad call on my part.
Sorry FF.
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mm, with the amount of no votes (yes this may be premature) I'm not feeling another attempt at the game
was batting around the idea in my head of a regular-length D1
keep the judges but they alternate...D1 pick lynch pool, D2 pick power-up pool (so D1 players give power-up to whoever without restrictions, D2 players lynch whoever without restrictions)
nights the judges can post in thread so they can be influenced etc.
person can't get a power-up consecutive days
problem is, i hear you on the rb for scum. i'm just not sure how to give scum an advantage when they win the power-up, and there really should be one. it definitely shouldn't hurt mafia to get it. we thought people would just use the roleblock to kill the guy with the power-up...technically that could confirm someone who won before was mafia, but there's also no guarantee of that. just because someone claims vest in thread and dies doesn't mean they actually took vest, you know? i'd never assume that playing from a town slot. but it doesn't matter if most town does and that happens to be true, because then they can narrow down a scum on faulty logic lol ><
i guess i'm wondering how we could make that work for scum...random thought was recruitment to switch someone's alignment but i'm not sure i really like that either
and ultimately it doesn't seem like people want to play a game where judges have so much control...or any. even these suggestions wouldn't eliminate judge power, just reduce it
lex mentioned removing judges entirely, which is fine, but then it's not really this type of game anymore and that was the experiment
he also mentioned removing power-ups. but then it would be an all-vanilla game with judges? especially if we're reducing the lynches they can narrow, might as well just do an all-vanilla game at that point
maybe it's just better to call it a failed experiment and move on lol ><
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I think the setup is promising Tbh it just need tweets.
Like maybe randomize each day who judges are but they are only ever there to give powers not pick lynched. And they are unconfirmed to thread and each other.
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On August 22 2017 22:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
I think I have a way to read rayn now at least. Get into shouting matches and challenge him to death.
You will never be able to use that though.
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also, apologies for not cracking down on the "mod said x" going on in the thread
i personally don't give a flying fuck about the normal things people say 'mod-confirms' anyone. if someone's being a shithead to scum rayn, i'm not going to let that continue just because he's scum. if someone tells me 'yes, i'm working extra hours and i need to lie to my gf and that's awkward for me but the real reason i want to replace out is people are scumreading me for the wrong reasons when i'm scum', yes, i'll tell them tough titty. obviously we didn't just tell rayn to suck it up, but no, that will never be a suitable replacement excuse for me
and ultimately i don't care if someone says 'the host told me x' when i'm playing in a game; of course they can be lying or leveraging it. but because so many in the community here seem to, we should have cracked down on that in thread. instead, rayn used it and we didn't say anything. then eversince abused it. then cake used it. so, lesson learned. much as i think it's dumb for people to think i'm going to modkill someone for mentioning my name in thread, it was becoming disruptive to the game and should have been stopped. apologies
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Dont worry HF I like you, sorry for being extreme paranoid on you.
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On August 22 2017 22:15 Damdred wrote:
I think the setup is promising Tbh it just need tweets.
Like maybe randomize each day who judges are but they are only ever there to give powers not pick lynched. And they are unconfirmed to thread and each other.
i like this idea i really do actually. we'd just still need to tweak powers in a way that scum benefits if they manage to win it...
one idea we had pre-game was that the winner actually passes off the prize to someone of their choice. then you could have a permanent scum rb..doesn't help with the 'prize' for a scum win but helps with not confirming scum was one of the previous top choices
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let me first say:
I am sorry rayn for raging at you. I haven't been great personally and I took that out on you calling everyone shit, and pushed it too far.
On August 22 2017 22:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 21:24 Conversion wrote:duly noted btw Koshi, on your big post calling me trash Meh don't take it personal. I call everybody that once in a while. I was pissed off with the fact I knew rayn was mafia and was pretty sure 1 out of hopeless and fefe were mafia. And then there were people calling the 3 picks bad. 1/3 was pretty ok for a list pre flip. We made a mistake thinking fefe vs h1 was TvM
oh I'm not taking it personally!! I think I have a lot to improve on (especially with my raging this game). I think I was just frustrated because in a normal game I could read your motivation for putting people up for lynch, but since I couldn't, I was lost. I couldn't think of why (until the geript/disinfo/rayn lynch pool) the pool was what it was
stuff to learn in trying to figure out the judges instead of being mad about it, right?
EDIT: also thank you hosts for being patient with me even though I took it too far this game. I'll probably cool off for a bit before getting myself into a mafia game next time!
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On August 22 2017 22:19 rsoultin wrote:
also, apologies for not cracking down on the "mod said x" going on in the thread
i personally don't give a flying fuck about the normal things people say 'mod-confirms' anyone. if someone's being a shithead to scum rayn, i'm not going to let that continue just because he's scum. if someone tells me 'yes, i'm working extra hours and i need to lie to my gf and that's awkward for me but the real reason i want to replace out is people are scumreading me for the wrong reasons when i'm scum', yes, i'll tell them tough titty. obviously we didn't just tell rayn to suck it up, but no, that will never be a suitable replacement excuse for me
and ultimately i don't care if someone says 'the host told me x' when i'm playing in a game; of course they can be lying or leveraging it. but because so many in the community here seem to, we should have cracked down on that in thread. instead, rayn used it and we didn't say anything. then eversince abused it. then cake used it. so, lesson learned. much as i think it's dumb for people to think i'm going to modkill someone for mentioning my name in thread, it was becoming disruptive to the game and should have been stopped. apologies
I don't usually care about this either but it was just coming from a game where specifically rayn told me not to do this.
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On August 22 2017 22:07 rsoultin wrote:
mm, with the amount of no votes (yes this may be premature) I'm not feeling another attempt at the game
was batting around the idea in my head of a regular-length D1
keep the judges but they alternate...D1 pick lynch pool, D2 pick power-up pool (so D1 players give power-up to whoever without restrictions, D2 players lynch whoever without restrictions)
nights the judges can post in thread so they can be influenced etc.
person can't get a power-up consecutive days
problem is, i hear you on the rb for scum. i'm just not sure how to give scum an advantage when they win the power-up, and there really should be one. it definitely shouldn't hurt mafia to get it. we thought people would just use the roleblock to kill the guy with the power-up...technically that could confirm someone who won before was mafia, but there's also no guarantee of that. just because someone claims vest in thread and dies doesn't mean they actually took vest, you know? i'd never assume that playing from a town slot. but it doesn't matter if most town does and that happens to be true, because then they can narrow down a scum on faulty logic lol ><
i guess i'm wondering how we could make that work for scum...random thought was recruitment to switch someone's alignment but i'm not sure i really like that either
and ultimately it doesn't seem like people want to play a game where judges have so much control...or any. even these suggestions wouldn't eliminate judge power, just reduce it
lex mentioned removing judges entirely, which is fine, but then it's not really this type of game anymore and that was the experiment
he also mentioned removing power-ups. but then it would be an all-vanilla game with judges? especially if we're reducing the lynches they can narrow, might as well just do an all-vanilla game at that point
maybe it's just better to call it a failed experiment and move on lol ><
The idea was fresh and I think it could be used in a themed game for a cycle or something. It's a fun mechanic. It even could be a stand alone game with some extra tweaks.
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On August 22 2017 20:06 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2017 19:57 disformation wrote:
scum record is 1-4 now.
town winrate also decreasing.
think the transition to working full time difnt affect my game in a positive manner.
maybe i should request a coach next game.
*shrugs* Fwiw I didn't read your posts whatsoever. You were there bc your slot was scummy + PoE.
hehe. yeah saw that. koshi also said my posts arent bad or townish or whatever.
just dont think i would have been able to salvage this game esp. given the track record of the slot i replaced into. just musing about my general winrate decline in more recent games.
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