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6. The person who is up for the lynch is whoever has the most votes. If there is a tie for most votes, whoever most recently had more votes than the other is the person who is up for the lynch. Just to clarify that I'm not stupid: This means that first guy to get the x votes in case of a tie gets lynched. 4-4 in votes. Guy A gets 5 votes. Guy B gets 5 votes. Guy A is lynched. | ||
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Im hoping to apply it here. Also reading the sticky about how to play mafia seems a pretty good idea... Lots of good tips in there :p | ||
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Let's go! | ||
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I will be on vacation this whole month, so I will be playing exclusively from my phone. Don't expect two-page analysis with 50 quotes mmkay? | ||
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On July 11 2017 19:41 disformation wrote: pregame excuse: did not /in because i'll be fairly busy at work for about a month, so no time to spam the thread 24/7. sad times. /obs i guess ![]() I will miss you. | ||
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(Don't shoot me for asking stupid questions pls ![]() | ||
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On July 11 2017 21:45 VayneAuthority wrote: /confirm My man. I'm hoping for some dope RP this time. | ||
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On July 11 2017 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not. It defeats the purpose of the game. Pretty much what I thought. | ||
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On July 12 2017 00:10 Koshi wrote: Roaming is free yo Not where I'm going ![]() | ||
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On July 12 2017 01:03 disformation wrote: It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you There's nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do I fear the wifi's down in Africa I fear the wifi's down in Africa (the wifi's down) I fear the wifi's down in Africa (the wifi's down) I fear the wifi's down in Africa I fear the wifi's down in Africa (Ah, gonna take the time) Gonna take some time to do the things we never had Forget wifi, gotta buy me a SIM card with some bootleg ID. | ||
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On July 13 2017 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ![]() | ||
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Mafia hunting time. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:10 rsoultin wrote: Lexy kicked me out for hosty reasons pffft. Leave me gifts for morning? ♡s a ruxxy pupil I'm easily flattered <3, you get a day 1 pass. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: ima try something different here, lets see how it works. You can't hide your alignment from me. My 100% foolproof Rayn detector will tell me your alignment by end of day 1. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:34 Koshi wrote: Hello my Minions. Your master will be doing a 1 page filter D1. He is planning on making 3 big quality posts and around 15 "fluff" posts but only when he politely is asked a question or feels like barking a question. Good Minions know that the great leader should be followed, and even naughty Minions know to at least sheep the master his list. Evil Minions will be dealt with. Swiftly and without mercy. Your leader has spoken. Hail to the great leader. Mafia (sorry for the bad roll) | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: fair enough we will lynch you if you call me scum. you did it yourself so dont blame me if youre town and happen to be wrong. If I call you scum the obvious course of action is to lynch you. My raynometer has been calibrated to perfection. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: i think you're trying a bit too hard for the state of the game but i dont know what it means. If I told you the secret it would be totally useless. I love having you around anyway. Since I like you, I'll give you some room to breath. | ||
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I see you are pulling out the tricks early. | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:58 emperorchampion wrote: What's off topic about scum hunting ? How's your raynometer feeling? Discussing music videos is scum hunting? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:02 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah my b You're excused ![]() | ||
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On July 13 2017 06:58 emperorchampion wrote: What's off topic about scum hunting ? How's your raynometer feeling? Wait, wait wait. Your first sentence was referring to HF context post as if I was accusing HF of off topic discussion. BUT. You second sentence is referring to Rayn as if he was the suspect target. I'm getting conflicting messaging here. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow that was a top notch post. Thanks, I'm quite proud of it. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:14 emperorchampion wrote: If hf is scum hunting Ryan I'm curious about your thoughts as well. My raynometer is based on totally different criterium. And I don't think HF has a foolproof case. But he's right that Rayn has a lot of filler posts so far. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:22 geript wrote: Hey HF. Find the worst post in the thread up to this point and quote it. Looking for someone to sheep? | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:23 emperorchampion wrote: rayn how do you feel about rux town pass to rsoul? I think it warrants a weak town read in the basis of not likely to come from mafia Protip: don't give your own opinion before hearing the other persons answer. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:25 emperorchampion wrote: How you planning on reading rayn this game? By standard scum hunting methods in addition to my raynometer. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript is actually also prolly mafia ´ This I could get behind. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:14 emperorchampion wrote: If hf is scum hunting Ryan I'm curious about your thoughts as well. You're asking a lot of people how they feel about other people instead of making up your opinion. Seems like a lot like you're fishing for someone to push a target. Same goes for geript. It looks like you're active and trying to help town, while basically I have no more information to decide your alignment. If you want to solidify your town position then make up your own opinions and push your own targets. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: AHH BABY IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE TOWN AGAIN! Ruxxar is mafia boys and girls. /dance party | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:39 emperorchampion wrote: Color me confused as to why geript thinks Raynaud is maf So what should you do? 1. Ask geript. 2. Vote for geript. 3. Ignore | ||
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You're spinning out of control for me. I need you on solid ground. | ||
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Mafia/suspect: Koshi: Opening post was trash. EC / geript No solid own opinion. | ||
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Holyflare. Showing scum hunting tendencies. Rsoul (day 1 pass). Rayn is slight town lean. Hope I didn't miss any posters so far. | ||
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On July 13 2017 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post doesnt make Koshi anything and EC is town but you can try to lynch your teammate geript if you want to. I'm pretty sure it makes him mafia. It smells all the way to my happy town square. And if geript is lynched I wouldn't shed a single tear. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also that's the worst reason ever to read holyflare town. I have a good case on geript, do you? He looks worse than the rest. Aka Poe so far. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh but do you have something to back up geript lynch? No I don't have crushing evidence that he is mafia. What are you expecting me to answer here? | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE. This statement is clearly bullshit because I can only Poe people that have posted so far. Also, 1+1 = 2, more news at 11. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna say this is a big pile of bullshit because half of the game hasn't even posted yet so you -- as town -- can't have a single idea of if geript is town or mafia by PoE. According to this statement there's no way to find mafia before everyone has posted in the thread? Is that what you are saying? | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: do not twist what i am saying. YOU said you dont have a reason to scumread geript except for "poe" and you were -- by your own words, fine with him dying. I told you there is a chance geript is town due to PoE because your 3 man mafia team PoE is missing fucking 5 people of the game..... You are now trying to ask me "am i not allowed to find mafia before everyone has posted??" fuck you mafia. die. Of course, because you are the authority who decides who is mafia and who is town. If I say geript is mafia by my Poe so far, then he fucking is. You can take your "facts" and shove them up a place the sun doesn't shine. | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: like you seriosuly cant even argue that What's the point in even discussing people who haven't posted yet? It's a waste of time. Keep your head in the game and focus on the content we have, mmkay? | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: well you dont think like a townie, not in this case, and not with the case you had on EC. I dont care what you say, i think you are amfia nad i will try to get you lynched so there is that. FYI my facts are in fact facts, unlike yours. Oh, please do explain how my case on EC wasn't townie. I'm ready to learn senpai. I hear you say that I look like fucking mafia every fucking game I play with you, I thought you learned your lesson by now. And no, your "facts" are bullshit, which I'm sure even a 3 year old could dispute. | ||
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@rayn. I'm done arguing with you. I have enough information to confidently call you town today. My final answer to your concerns: No follow up on EC: I spotted an inconsistency and thought I had a case. Turns out I couldn't find the right follow up questions, Or maybe I just looked too hard for something that wasn't there. As for geript: I don't mind if he dies but he's not the scummiest guy in the thread so far. That award goes to koshi. His opening post look like it took way too much effort, thought and construction to just be a happy "I am VT" post. That opening post is decidedly mafia and he should die for it. ##vote koshi | ||
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On July 13 2017 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: i never said your case on EC wasn't townie, it was the best post in the thread. But you just threw it in the trash for no reason, and that makes you mafia. Tell me this: 1) Why cannot, let's say Damdred, sickluckr and VA be mafia, as you are totally fine with geript dying by "poe"? 2) If they can, why are you actually totally fine with geript dying? 1) let me put it in simple terms: People I think are town. (DONT LYNCH) People who haven't posted (NAI, DONT LYNCH) People who have posted but are null (NAI, DONT LYNCH) People who have posted and look scummy (LYNCH CANDIDATES) Now everyone will have to post at some point or they will be modkilled, but in the interest of keeping this game active and interesting it's more fun to discuss the people who are actually here. | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:27 Damdred wrote: Where should we look? You honestly should just trust in my read this once on d1 and look elsewhere with me. | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:27 Damdred wrote: You honestly should just trust in my read this once on d1 and look elsewhere with me. Where should we look? | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:30 Damdred wrote: Like right now I have a read so hard he's confirmed to me A super strong town read (rayn) A slight scum read (ruxxar) And a would lynch possibly (tina) The rest haven't interested me yet, what do you think of this besides geript rayn. The only thing new here is Rsoultin. And before you ask Rayn his opinion, you should give your own on why you would lynch her. | ||
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That makes her mafia how? | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:39 Damdred wrote: Because she's dull, boring and not really to interactive as scum So it has nothing to do with the content of her post, but the fact that she hasn't been more active? | ||
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Then explain clearly what parts you found dull and boring and how they make her mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2017 09:57 geript wrote: Reading and comprehension clearly aren't your strong suits. Don't get involved. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean how can you be anything except for dull, uninteresting and not scumhunting when you have noone except for on person posting so far? There are many people who have few, 1 or no posts. To specifically pick out one person simply based on meta and wanting to lynch them seems like an incredibly bad town play. | ||
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But I'm obviously not getting there. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: YOU CANNOT TELL ANYTHING ABOUT A PERSON WHO MADE THE FIRST FUCKING POST IN THE GAME. HOLYFLARE PROVED IT LAST GAME AND YOU -- WHO ARE TOWN -- ALL START KNOWING BETTER RIGHT NOW. What are you referring to here? | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You for example. Why the fuck are you (amongst others) talking about something completely not alignment indigative? My whole point is trying to determine damdreds alignment. I couldn't give less flying fucks what alignment rsoul is right now. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ruxxar why arent you taking any part of the conversation between me and geript? Because I don't want to give geript an excuse to derail your questioning. | ||
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Well gee, excuse me for trying to make up my own opinion.. | ||
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On July 13 2017 10:59 Damdred wrote: I'm right about geript 100% rayb. And rux Idk what you want exactly me to take her post and just mark everything as boring? Like it by itself does make her mafia, and it doesn't necessarily even make her mafia. I'd just rather lynch Tina when she acts a certain way over someone like you who I don't know how to read yet and don't have enough information on. Damdred, you know a lot of people playing mafia. Why is Tina any more scum than anyone else with low/no posts. I could apply the same meta read to rels, or VA or tumblewood. And for a fact I don't even agree with your rsoul meta read of her not doing anything when mafia. From my own personal experience with her she fights hard even as mafia. But the fact that you chose her out of all the people in the game to put a scum meta read on makes no sense to me. | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i literally told him that look, here are 7 people, one of which you have "poe'd into being mafia". If the mafia in fact are in the rest of the people how on earth you can tell this guy is mafia by poe? He basically told me to go fuck myself. That's not bad anymore, not insane, that's just bs. On July 13 2017 09:20 ruXxar wrote: 1) let me put it in simple terms: People I think are town. (DONT LYNCH) People who haven't posted (NAI, DONT LYNCH) People who have posted but are null (NAI, DONT LYNCH) People who have posted and look scummy (LYNCH CANDIDATES) Now everyone will have to post at some point or they will be modkilled, but in the interest of keeping this game active and interesting it's more fun to discuss the people who are actually here. Is there something you didn't understand here? | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:04 geript wrote: Rux is she? Is she what? | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:09 Tumblewood wrote: this is my summary of the first 15 pages and what i've found: rayn and ruxxar, to each other: "nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh" (hesitantly i call that a tvt argument. i have ec associations with both of them but that doesn't matter because neither has flipped and neither is likely scum) rest of the game: [nothing, or like 2 posts that basically amount to nothing] No scum reads at all. Nothing fishy sticking out to you? | ||
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On July 13 2017 11:14 geript wrote: I didn't realize you were a lady. Or maybe I forgot. IDK, I thought i had host a newbie game with you in it or something. I'm definitely not a lady. And yes we did play in a newbie game together where you died after posting a picture of an ass(donkey) if I remember correctly. | ||
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Strongest reads: Mafia: Koshi.(vote this guy!) Town: Rayn. Until tomorrow, good night. | ||
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On July 13 2017 19:06 Holyflare wrote: This is a good post though. Ruxxar gets called out for poeing geript out of players that are playing. Throws a hissy fit when called out. Then calls out damdred for not thinking about low/no post people. You are confused. I called out geript for looking for targets to sheep. I called out damdred for attributing a meta a meta scum read to rsoul when there are plenty of people to attribute scum meta reads to who have no or very low post count. | ||
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On July 13 2017 17:41 beentheredonethat wrote: D1: Vote Count #1
Currently, a grave for rsoultin is being digged. The grave will be filled in (at Friday, Jul 14 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). Voting is mandatory! (Unvoting is, too) ...stop sniping me. ... where is my vote? | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: See here is the problem with this: There is no reason to call this out the way you did. You basically defended rsoultin -- or rather attacked Damdred without touching the actual argument at all. That was the point. The argument itself is a weak read. I was just as interested in seeing how he responded as in the actual reason. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ah so you are going with the i-did-a-scummy-thing-for-reactions explanation. I see. Quite the opposite. Getting people to talk is a top town play. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i think it almost always comes from mafia. I did the exact same thing with Blazinghand last game. When i knew i cannot defend him i just tried to make people (disformation) talk about something that is not Blazinghand so people would just forget about him until we murder the town. Who am I trying to defend? Rsoul? Don't make me laugh. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:26 Koshi wrote: I don't know what ruxxar is doing this game. So basically I agree with the idea behind your case. He made a couple extremely dumb observations this game. I don't understand what he is doing as I don't see him solving the game while playing. Last game he scumread me while I had a 10 page filter and correctly read him while nobody else did, this game he very quickly townread both townleaders for scumhunting... Filterlenght and sheer enthusiasm holds me back but he is on the watch list. Koshi, you are way too serious this game. You look nothing like your last game. Your tone is completely different. Very somber and low energy. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like, here is what i think you are doing ruxxar. Let's say there is a men's room in a bar and Damdred is watching the door and you are watching Damdred. Tina goes into the men's room and Damdred says "hey you can't go in there!". Then VA, Rels and Tumblewood go inside too and at this point you go to Damdred and tell him "well dude, why aren't you telling these people they can't go in too? huh.. That's unreasonable!" And that's bullshit ruxxar. ... more like a unisex toilet. | ||
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Right now it feels like you are defending damdred. Also your "damdred is town, next" statement as if poking damdred is off limits is fucking bullshit. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so ruxxar, why should Damdred scumread 0 post VA, 0 post Rels or 0 post Tumblewood by meta? I'm saying he shouldn't be scumresding any of them. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:50 Holyflare wrote: You posted this. Why couldn't damdred do the same? Because damdred clearly said he wanted to lynch rsoul based on meta activity and *not* based on the post she actually made. There's an important distinction here that is crucial to my argument. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then why didnt you attack his agrument you clearly think is bullshit instead of saying something completely different? I was trying to get there, but shit got derailed, by guess who? That's right, you. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:55 Holyflare wrote: His read was nothing about activity. It was dull, boring and not interactive. ... how is that not about activity? | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:55 Holyflare wrote: His read was nothing about activity. It was dull, boring and not interactive. How is a person with 1 post supposed to be "interactive"? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes. as i said it would make ruxxar town but after he himself proved he thought he was onto something (see his answer to my post soon after) he just decided to do nothing with it. I mean like, have you ever seen a townie who thinks they have a good case and then just do nothing with it? I havent. Like I already said, I was excited to point out what I thought was an inconsistency. Doesn't mean I have a case. | ||
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On July 13 2017 20:50 Koshi wrote: protip: Different does not equal mafia. Why am I somber? 1) your opening post basically declares "I'm going to play this game solo" Which sets up the expectation of a low interactivity game from you. Having that excuse in your back to take pressure of your non-interactivity is great from a mafia agenda point of view. 2) You are somber by the fact that you don't have the jesty/non-chalant way of talking as you did last game. Example of posts you made as town that represent such a tone: On June 14 2017 16:52 Koshi wrote: Hmm I am going to call fefe and TW town. TW for thinking fefe is hilariously suspicious and fefe for believing that. 2 townreads. 1 more than rayn. ggwp. On June 14 2017 16:49 Koshi wrote: See. Now you are mafia 81/100 times, 9/100 times mafia pretending to be town, 9/100 times town pretending to be mafia, and only 1% chance to be town being town. Can't disagree with math. Especially my math. | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: see youre doing the same mistake ruxxar was. my last post you quoted is not referring to ruxxar's post. Can you quote the post you were actually referring to? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: see youre doing the same mistake ruxxar was. my last post you quoted is not referring to ruxxar's post. Can you quote the post you were actually referring to as a "top notch" post? | ||
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On July 13 2017 21:37 sicklucker wrote: Koshi had this planned before the game even started he talked about it in the obs qt and post game , last game.... Still mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:43 VayneAuthority wrote: I am fairly certain either ruxxar or holyflare is mafia, leaning towards ruxxar. How am I and HF connected and why is my alignment dependent on his and vice versa. | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's not what he is saying, except that you are not mafia together. ... you just repeated what I said. | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:53 VayneAuthority wrote: too many joke/list posts, feels like your statpadding your filter instead of attempting to lead town like last game. Your tone is also slightly off, which is hard to see from first person but you seem to be repressing something. Want to talk about it? I won't reveal why I grouped you with holyflare yet because he is hard to catch, lets see more of what he says first Too many list posts? I don't think I've posted a lot of them and I don't think the few I have posted make me anything. I'm repressing my urge to dedicate myself to s gung-ho scum lynching crusade on a single person. I tried that last game and it turns out I just helped mafia lynch townies. I'm taking a more analytical approach to this game. Could you point out any content in my posts that make me mafia? I can't really dispute tone reads. | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:56 VayneAuthority wrote: Also Skynx has started this game wildly different, he was really passive last game day 1 mostly being receptive to conversation and putting out comments. This game he went immediately full attack mode and super aggressive. That is interesting. I agree that is interesting. But I think skynx is misguided. I'm pretty confident Rayn is town. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:05 VayneAuthority wrote: let me double the excitement and call you mafia again, but I think ruxxar will dig his own grave. he is taking my shitty read far too seriously "Fairly certain" "Shitty read" Pick one. You come into the thread making a shitty read based on nothing when there's a million other important events to discuss. What are you trying to do here? | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:13 VayneAuthority wrote: you don't think you are overreacting to some one with no push presence calling you mafia right now? I am trying to establish reads on people based on how they react to my posts. I didnt really see anything interesting, mostly a bunch of spam. I'm here to change that. Go right ahead then. There's nothing more exciting to me than seeing you posting more than 3 posts per cycle. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:16 Koshi wrote: ![]() The xata mafia popcorn. Scum confirmed. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If i am somehow wrong on ruxxar then i think Koshi might be mafia. You're starting to see the light. | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:25 Damdred wrote: Geript is always awesome town, my partner in crime and we will ride till I die. Rayn is pretty sexy town in this situation. Has all the fun rayn towns. Sl is town now (For now). He just cared to much in a short burst for him to be mafia d1 do me, even if hes lying about the mistake that is. Tina is interesting, part of me thinks that she is a bit fake in what she is doing. And it seemed to be a bit antagonistic towards hf which she generally does more as scum. Overall I'm a bit torn about her but would put a scum lean on her just from a tonal and content point of view. Hf is interesting but I'm holding cards to chest on this one. I sort of think town, but for okish reasons. I'm unsure of ec, some of his stuff is just kinda meh here. Rux I sort of think is still town just says stud that digs him deeper and doesn't want to turn around from it. I kinda find it more town that stubbornness cause there's no point in keep in him going. Thoughts on koshi? | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:44 Damdred wrote: Until koshi really puts the effort in he's null. He some of pocketed me by defending me and calling me town though so wouldnt lynch today. And he has had a couple of thoughts I liked. By thoughts you liked you mean? | ||
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On July 14 2017 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think you are wrong on geript Damdred but thats for later to decide. I am sure i found mafia, i am alsmot sure you are right on Tina, idk about TW. TW looks super bad but he always does that as any alignment. ![]() And yes VA is acting weird. The thread destroyer coming to rid us of all the useless spam and slay all the mafias. If I was mafia I would be shaking in my boots right now. /s | ||
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On July 14 2017 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's not what he is doing though, as either alignment. but your music taste is what? dont worry i am not gonna call you scum for the off-topic, i am genuinely interested. ![]() Battle beast is one of my favorite bands. Has some sick female vocals. I'm going to their concert in September. Give "out of control" a listen. Also recently listened to unleash the archers. Give "Test your metal" a listen. Basically I'm a sucker for those female vocals. Sorry, no YouTube links on this shoddy African 3G network. | ||
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On July 14 2017 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know battle beast. I personally prefer korn (not after issues), slipknot (not after 2014), deftones (not after idk how far for gods sake) and tool. that singer for them is kick ass though. ![]() I was a big fan of nightwish when they were with Tarja. This was many years ago. Listening to their old albums now they don't sound as good. I never could get into the growling vocals bands. That's basically where I draw the line. If I can't understand what the artist is singing then it's a no-go. Also forgot to mention eluveitie. Was at their concert last year. It was fucking amazing ![]() | ||
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On July 14 2017 01:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm hard claiming not blue by the way. If those words came from koshis mouth... | ||
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On July 14 2017 01:37 Holyflare wrote: I'm hard claiming not blue by the way. Help me figure out what the goal behind this post is. I'm too dumb to understand it. | ||
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On July 14 2017 02:09 Holyflare wrote: Stop being boring I feel like you're holding back since you actually want to live past N1. | ||
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I did notice a bit of uptight/cold shoulder from damdy. I feel like his emotional state is very muted. Might not mean much though, don't know damdred too well. As for rsoul, is either hormones or she's putting on an act. I can't decide which yet. | ||
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On July 14 2017 02:43 Skynx wrote: Cuz thats pretty optimistic having to have 3 very strong townreads in 1st 24 hours. I'm curious how he progresses his Ruxxar read as i think they are both town. Town reads??! | ||
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On July 14 2017 02:43 Skynx wrote: Cuz thats pretty optimistic having to have 3 very strong townreads in 1st 24 hours. I'm curious how he progresses his Ruxxar read as i think they are both town. Me and who else is town? Geript? Also, why does it matter how many scum reads he has? | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:03 Skynx wrote: Yes, I like geript for his reactions when rayn pushed him, felt natural and logical to me. When I have too many scumreads i tell myself "ok thats prolly not all right" and reconsider most of them. Believe or not this stuff helps later on, they all add to general value of how you consider other people are scumhunting. That helped for example we couldn't catch rayn last game cuz he didn't reveal anything and just barked Rels is scum all game long. Sure, but 3 scum reads is within the realm of actual mafia in the game, so it's not too many. And he is re-evaluating. Just earlier he was deadest on me being mafia. Now he is die hard wanting to lynch VA. I would say he is evolving his reads. | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:18 Skynx wrote: Thats pretty much the point of me asking. I didn't really notice him dropping read on you. I don't see how you could compare this Rayn with the Rayn last game. It's a night and day difference. I resllly like the analysis post you made, and you brought up a lot of good points. But this Rayn is 10x more town than the dude from last game. He's absolutely not a D1 lynch anyway. Some traits I would use to define his towniness: Aggressive, critical, pushy, emotional, evolving, stubbornness to a degree. Unapologetic. I don't see the nitpicky pushing that I saw last game on rels, and he doesn't follow thread sentiment, he stakes his own course. If this is not town Rayn then he has really leveled up his game. | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:19 Skynx wrote: I dunno about this version of Koshi, will have to wait and see I guess. Might be just to avoid N1 kill. SL insisted that this was planned by koshi. Koshi himself insists that different doesn't mean mafia(blue). From my point of view, like I told koshi last game, I was really excited to play with him again since he was such an interesting upbeat funny jesting dude to play with that had god reads. This game I can't even recognize him. Everything about him is just wrong. I'm not gonna buy the blue bait, I want him to become his old self. And if he doesn't, then he is mafia and can die. | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote: ok i'm back and i caught up to page 25 before skimming this last page. um new stuff: if rsoul is scum i doubt she thinks that posting squiggly nothings is not a good way to get town cred, so imma go with town skynx and damdred have ummmmm good tone rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. i wanna say he's scum but first lemme make sure i didn't make this same read in that other game where i called him scum d1 and i was wrong also:this could be my new sig This guy is 100% town. Never lynching. | ||
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On July 14 2017 03:37 Damdred wrote: I really hate this post, it reads like a page out of how Tina or art scum read me. It's almost like he wants to call me scum but can't bring himself to do it. Throw some shade and retreat, especially with how many people know my emotional meta in thread. If I wanted to call you scum I would. Right now I'm occupied with koshI. | ||
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You have an analytical, critical yet patient and non-derogatory demeanor about you. I enjoy reading your posts and talking to you. | ||
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On July 14 2017 04:35 sicklucker wrote: man me and ruxxar came to every same conclusion last game right or wrong. Now everyone I think is mafia he thinks is town and vice versa. kill with fire The important difference is that we were both *wrong* last game. Not to mention that 80% of those reads was based on day 1 voting. Anyway, could you give me a rundown of which reads you have so I can compare? | ||
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TW is town, don't even look in that direction. | ||
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On July 14 2017 04:56 sicklucker wrote: koshi rstoulin everytownread besides ryan probably I'm sorry, koshi and rsoul are what? | ||
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So basically the only thing we disagree on this game is whether koshi is town or mafia. How is that disagreeing on "everything"? | ||
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Here's my problem with you SL. You're voting for me right now, but I dont feel like you're pushing me. It doesn't feel like your heart is in the vote. As I recall you votes me because you were sleeping Rayn. Now that Rayn is voting for VA, why do you still vote for me? Either push me with your scum read or go find somewhere else to park your vote. | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:02 emperorchampion wrote: did anyone point out how ruxxar didn't like damdred for being cold, but like this post where tumble says damdy has good tone? So because I disagree with a guy on one thing I can't call him town? | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:23 emperorchampion wrote: sl seems like a cool dude this game rsoul: really am fluffhead. gl with deadline. As opposed to last game where he was annoying as all hell but actually was town... | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:24 emperorchampion wrote: No probably not. What particularly in tumbles post makes him so town? I'm comparing this(town): On July 14 2017 03:32 Tumblewood wrote: ok i'm back and i caught up to page 25 before skimming this last page. um new stuff: if rsoul is scum i doubt she thinks that posting squiggly nothings is not a good way to get town cred, so imma go with town skynx and damdred have ummmmm good tone rayn is getting into stupid arguments that i think he knows no one can win. i wanna say he's scum but first lemme make sure i didn't make this same read in that other game where i called him scum d1 and i was wrong also:this could be my new sig With this(mafia): On June 16 2017 00:02 Tumblewood wrote: i won't claim to have actually considered every player, but i'm thinking: rels, grack, vivax, annul, disfo, koshi, ruxxar, btdt (in no particular order) are probably town and definitely should not be lynched d1 preferably we lynch rayn or one of the afks Part of it is meta, But mostly I actually can see where his thoughts are coming from. It might not look like much, but compared to his scum game, this might as well be a 3 page analysis. More stuff: The unapologetic confident tone of his other posts: On July 14 2017 04:24 Tumblewood wrote: you're not getting anything more descriptive because that's as far as it goes This is a 180 from his timid mafia approach. He's not trying to hide or disguise his presence in the thread. Like I said: 100% town. Not lynching. | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:48 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah it's fair tumble looks ok to me too. I was curious to how your looking at things, I think it's good for now. How much of your stance on koshi is wanting him to do stuff vs thinking he's scum? 100% scum until he shows me any reason to think otherwise. | ||
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On July 14 2017 05:57 geript wrote: Don't fucking meta by trying to compare simple posts. It's the same dumb shit Rayn did. The funnier thing was I'm 99% sure that Rayn picked the game where I was traitor and Damdred played the game. That is not how you fucking meta. That post was just a standout example. Of course I'm taking more than that into account. TW is town no matter how much you will it to be different. | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:04 sicklucker wrote: I believe Ihave 24 hours to pick my vote. why are you so annoyed its parked there Because you're wasting your time when you could be catching scum. | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:05 emperorchampion wrote: This, from what I saw from your filter, is entirely based on meta. Is this true? I'd have to read koshi filter but I don't recall anything that I thought was too scummy. No, it's not. Look up my analysis of his opening post. | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:08 emperorchampion wrote: One last thing ruxxar: what's your evolution on rsoul read? Until her list post I had an unfavorable view. I liked the list post especially the fact that she wants to lynch koshi. Not lynching her D1. | ||
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On July 14 2017 06:33 emperorchampion wrote: My brain is pretty much jello right now. I'll summarize my thoughts on ruxxar sometime tomorrow after / if he answers the questions I posted. Didn't really get around to too productively reading skynx, whoops. Pz Reading your filter turns my brain into mush. It's like s cloud of words swarming around with no rhyme or rhythm. Could you try to put your evolution of scum reads on a timeline? I feel like every post of yours your opinion changes, like a leaf in the wind, | ||
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On July 14 2017 07:11 Holyflare wrote: VA is definitely the best vote right now. He opens with mafia meta as a "trick" for reactions but the only person he would catch is rayn with that who was already vaguely town read. He also got a bad reaction from baiting ruxxar but didn't vote him. He also pre-emptively stated it was a bait before being scum read which we all know he doesn't usually give a shit about. In fact VA is uncharacteristically not on any outlying wagon. More concerned with how he looks than anything. Maybe it's just my limited experience with VA, but maybe he just doesn't know how to interact in a conversation with people? I know it sounds fucking stupid, but maybe he's just having an awkward time trying to fit in. | ||
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On July 14 2017 07:54 geript wrote: So Rux... what did you think of my case on Skynx? 1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths. Basically it's a misguided failure. Whether that is intentional or not is another point. It fails to capture the minute details that you would have acquired by being here during the conversation and be engaged in the details of the postings. In fact I thought Rayn made some really good points about you geript, which made you look bad and Rayn really good. Especially the point about "for better reasons" and where Rayn says you don't actually go on to reveal these "better reasons". Maybe I'm just biased, but to me clearly Rayn looked better from that. I basically am getting deja vu of how btdt played last game, except skynx has more polish in the way he presents things. Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today. | ||
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Well.. then I can't find any excuses except saying it looks really bad. Either he is really bad mafia, or he's trying some new town meta stuff I've never seen. | ||
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If you want to actually look at who is having a mafia agenda, skynx probably has the worst track record. The case on Rayn might've been a mafia attempt at taking down a town leader and not having to waste a NK on him. It was obviously a low percentage play, but I can see the mafia motivation behind it. | ||
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On July 14 2017 08:45 geript wrote: What in the actual fuck Rux? Is he misguided? Is he analytical? Is he based on half truths? Like WTF All of the above. | ||
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On July 14 2017 09:01 geript wrote: How can you be analytical and have it based on half truths? Like those are basically complete opposites. Because analysis based on incomplete or incorrect information is still analysis. There is no conflict here. | ||
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On July 14 2017 09:43 geript wrote: Analysis is like showing your work on a math problem Analytical is like making sure you did do something dumb like dividing by 0. DNU My definition of analytical is a person performing analysis. If that's wrong then I'm sorry, but that's what I mean with what I'm saying. | ||
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In my head I'm comparing it to a chemistry lab report analysis not a math problem. | ||
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On July 14 2017 09:09 geript wrote: I'm not seeing a good way to meta read Ruxx. Part of it is low number of games; part if it is I'm only seeing 2 scum games one of which he subbed in 125+ pages into it. Even his town games are all the fuck over the place. Am not happy. Do you want to lynch skynx or not? | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:18 geript wrote: Yes, Ruxxar. I really hate his thing on Skynx. Might be biased idk What do you hate about it? Let's talk it out. | ||
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On July 14 2017 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: like seriously, his vote has been on Koshi all game, he cared about it enough to inform the hosts his vote is on Koshi. Where does this "occupied" thing show in his filter, before of after this post? Same thing with EC, he shows great interest in something, even points it out, then does nothing with it. I already said all I have to say about koshi. Unless he posts something new in the thread I have nothing new to comment on. Just because im not rehashing and spamming the same arguments about koshi does not mean my passion for lynching him has waned. | ||
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On July 14 2017 18:40 geript wrote: You saying he's analytical when that's basically not the meaning of the word He made a big case on Rayn = analytical. That's all there is to it. | ||
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On July 14 2017 18:44 geript wrote: Plus you being all over the fucking place in your filter. Like being a mirror to who's in the thread at the time. Funny thing about it is that I see this more often from Town but I always find it scum. All over the place as in? My vote record has been straight as an arrow. I always place my vote where I believe it's most likely to hit mafia at any current time. With me what you see is what you get. My vote has gone koshi -> skynx. Clear as day. | ||
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On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar why aren't you voting va? Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post. To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case. To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented. It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think youre doing it in a townie way. What's scummy about the way I'm doing it? I couldn't know beforehand that koshi was gonna be afk this game. And even when he decides to be afk, that means I should automatically drop my scum read on him and give him a pass? That makes no sense at all. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:17 Holyflare wrote: Then what is this shit? Biggest out in history. You're not even committed to it. I changed my mind. I did a re-evaluation after geript asked me to, and I decided I want to lynch skynx. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote: There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:22 Holyflare wrote: I also can't fathom your VA read in the slightest. At first it's oh maybe he has trouble interacting with people. Then you got told he doesn't. Then it's oh, maybe he's trying something new as town. But it's his mafia meta and he admitted it. Then there's no mafia motivation to do his mafia meta. ?????? Then tell me, what is the mafia motivation behind VAs posts? Because even though he looks really bad/weird I can't see any clear mafia driven agenda behind it. Whereas in skynx case I've seen mafia make that exact kind of posts before. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know you didn't, except that you did. Because he said so. It's the easiest thing for mafia to find a target to just push someone "afk" who normally isn't afk. If they start posting then who cares, you can easily back off but you didn't actually try to do anything in the time before. Like if i called Rels mafia now for his super fucking nonsense post and voted for him just because he promised to play today and hasn't, there was nothing anyone could say about that because it is a "good" case, there is nothing wrong with that and normally that is mafia behaviour. But it doesn't make him mafia. It doesn't make him mafia even if he doesn't play today. It doesn't mean anything. Just like Koshi playing like he does doesn't mean anything. The thing is whenever you talk about townreads, you generally, maybe 8/10 are on point, exactly on point. But when you talk about scumreads your mindset totally flips around and all the good stuff you realize you somehow cannot see anymore. I think it makes you mafia. The difference is that I called koshi mafia the moment he made his opening post. Whereas in rels case you would now have waited over a day to make that claim, where you have already observed his level of activity. It's not even comparable to my scum read on koshi. And I don't know what you mean by my mentality flips. I'm hunting scum the only way I know how to hunt scum. If you don't like it, then too bad. This is who I am, deal with it. | ||
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On July 14 2017 19:58 Skynx wrote: Thats not true, analytical and bullshit at the same time is misleading case, usually = mafia. Bingo... | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote: And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? I don't care what VA says about himself. I care about what he does and why he would do those things. Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote: Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him. I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town". I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:38 Holyflare wrote: Are you even reading the same fucking thread dude? Koshi/rayn jumpes on va for being mafia so fast and called him mafia for doing his mafia meta. He is forced to claim it's his meta at this point. So his agenda is he's pushing his mafia meta. Literally I can't comprehend what you're saying. It blows my mind so much that you have to be mafia. What he DID DO was his usual mafia agenda!!! So let me ask again. Why are you saying there's no mafia agenda? Why does all mafia have to have any other agenda than "live"? Every persons macro agenda, town or scum is to "live". That doesn't mean mafia don't have other goals such as misdirecting town or trying to gain town credit. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:47 Skynx wrote: Thats my point. I didn't do anything differently in that period and everything geript said was already available to you but when he presented them that was enough for you to change your mind? You didn't do anything differently, that's true. The major reason that edged you ahead of koshi is the fact that I can't gain any traction on him. He's not posting, so I can't add any new material on him. People don't want to lynch him or think my arguments against him are strong enough. I've basically hit a dead end. I'd rather consolidate my vote with others so that the person getting lynched is the one I most think has a chance to flip mafia. Right now VA is a hot target, but I think you have a higher chance of flipping scum. So even though I want to lynch koshi, I'd rather consolidate on lynching you, where my vote actually means something. Leaving my vote solo on koshi is a waste of my vote right now. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote: So you think he's bad town but you're calling him mafia just because you feel like you should? No, i think his case on Rayn is bad, and I can see why mafia would make such a post. | ||
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On July 14 2017 20:51 Holyflare wrote: Holy fucking shit you're just mafia. There's no other explanation for this. Lul, indulge me please. | ||
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On July 14 2017 21:52 Holyflare wrote: And why can't town make such a post? You quite easily thought a bad town skynx could make it so why is it suddenly a mafia skynx? Where's the difference? You even state yourself it's a terribly low percentage play for mafia to make so why is it mafia agenda and not a towny making a bad case? I don't even think it's that awful like you seem to outline. It can be either, which I've already said, And last game I had that exact same train of thought on btdt continually excusing it as bad town. Now if I'm going to actually improve as a player I need to not fall into the same god damn apologetic trap again. I can't forgive myself for making that same mistake twice, when the similarities are so obvious. | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:02 VayneAuthority wrote: (holyflare/ruxxar) , (EC, Skynx) , (???) maybe I can finish this before I die, we'll see. Can you add some explanation to the names you are listing. This isn't twitter with a 140 char max limit.... | ||
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On July 13 2017 22:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I won't reveal why I grouped you with holyflare yet because he is hard to catch, lets see more of what he says first | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:10 ruXxar wrote: And I think it's about damn time you explain your hf read. Please don't ignore this VA ![]() | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm voting va because I don't think he's ever read me wrong when he's town and now he has me in an arbitrary list. Give the man a chance to explain himself. | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:36 Koshi wrote: Why is rsoultin not mafia? Only read the votes and not the thread yet. Currently busy but hoping I can read it after work as I should be home earlier today. Depends on how long this takes but we are almost done. I read the thread this morning and she just dropped a bad listpost filled with emo blackmail. Not a single strong read based with evidence and a lol read on va. So bad. Read the thread then come back again. Bye. | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:36 Damdred wrote: If your defense of this guy doesn't make a lot of sense rux. Coming from town anyway Oo I'm getting sort of a protective feeling about VA in that he actually isn't able to really interact with the thread properly due to his personality or something. It's prolly bullshit and I need to stop that right now lol. | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:39 Koshi wrote: I actually read her filter and there is nothing. That's why I said read the thread. | ||
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On July 14 2017 22:10 ruXxar wrote: And I think it's about damn time you explain your hf read. VA can you respond to this? | ||
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Oh for the love of all that is fucking holy in this world. I give up. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:09 VayneAuthority wrote: hey i dont force anyone to vote for me. If you all sheep rayn based on his read and its wrong, blame yourselves. Im not throwing anything. its not like you're helping your own case you know? Why not do some scum hunting, casing, defending, pushing, thread interaction? Like normal game stuff. At least grow a spine and defend yourself, cuz right now it's looking pretty pathetic. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:14 Holyflare wrote: Let me just repeat this. What he's been doing so far is the opposite of survival if you ask me. He could've just kept his mouth shut or played like last game. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:26 Holyflare wrote: If you're mafia you need to learn ti stop talking in the future btw ruxxar. You give far too much away if he's town and you're mafia. Do you think he needs all this babying you're giving him? Can you even remember as far back as one game ago when va got called out as town and didn't give two fucks and voted who he pleased off wagon because he didn't care? Not a stark comparison for you? Gets caught doing mafia things and trolls non stop? Is it not weird he's not replying to anything you write with sense? I'm town, so idgaf. Yes it's extremely weird he is trolling and I don't see any town benefit to what he's currently doing. By all means if he's mafia, then he can troll all he wants. But if he's town I'm going to be very very disappointed in his play this game. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:42 VayneAuthority wrote: I won't make it any more straight then this I literally just came off an extremely frustrating game and get called mafia here on my first post, fuck off with that disappointment stuff. So how about you start earning your keep by giving back instead of crumbling together like a sack of potatoes. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:42 VayneAuthority wrote: I won't make it any more straight then this I literally just came off an extremely frustrating game and get called mafia here on my first post, fuck off with that disappointment stuff. And I was in the same game as you so don't give me that petty bullshit. | ||
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On July 14 2017 23:52 Skynx wrote: VA, im mainly scumreading you for that terribad reaction to rayn's scumread. Make an effort like Palmar did and i will do my best to lynch Ruxxar/geript. +1. | ||
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If VA is mafia, does it make sense for his teammates to defend him? We saw what happened last game with xata left to fend for himself. It doesn't feel like there's any counter push to this wagon. Now like we've seen... maybe that is just normal mafia behavior. Or maybe VA is just looking so bad his teammates don't want to touch him with a 10-foot pole. | ||
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Please vote. | ||
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Yes? | ||
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They haven't voted yet. | ||
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I just want to see where they stand. | ||
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On July 15 2017 00:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I compared it to rayn defending SL last game, implying that it is scummy/TMI since there is very little reason to defend me here besides knowing im town. So yea if you are town you should definitely cop check ruxxar. Im defending you because I feel sorry for you. It's an emphatic instinct im trying to suppress. | ||
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On July 15 2017 00:55 Skynx wrote: Lol i thought that was your mafia trio Nah, I ain't gone that crazy yet ![]() | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote: feel sorry for what? I think its hilarious when I get lynched as town. being on a mafia team is more personal and id feel bad if i played like shit but this is just whatever. Because it feels like I'm watching people beating up a helpless man who can't defend himself. It's just not a pleasant sight you know. | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:02 VayneAuthority wrote: feel sorry for what? I think its hilarious when I get lynched as town. being on a mafia team is more personal and id feel bad if i played like shit but this is just whatever. If you are town, then I really want you alive. You are a valuable asset to us no matter what you think. So please would you not put in some effort and I will do my best to keep you alive. If you have read the thread, give us some thoughts on what you really think. Your input is valuable ![]() | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:11 VayneAuthority wrote: why would that be your prominent thought over "hes mafia and trolling" though (which you did later as a very secondary option) this is just basic psychology that you subconsciously slipped into that state with no hesitation. Maybe you are just a really genuinely empathetic guy, but in the context of a mafia game it is suspicious at the least. I.. I don't really know. I'm just wired that way. Sometimes I get very attached to people I've played with previously. Especially when people go down without defending themselves, I always feel really bad. It's just a very sad way to see people go out. And you're right that it's not really helping me look any better.. | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:46 Tumblewood wrote: chill, i have like 5 hours left to do this Why is EC scum? | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote: Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things. Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him. Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least. Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly. I don't think I want to lynch va today. Rels is a good policy lynch though. And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. Secondary lynch if not rels? | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:50 geript wrote: I'm like really tempted to just lynch Rux for all his random shit because I'm pretty sure he gets lynched down the road at some point. Lol. That's the worst reason to lynch someone ever. | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote: Idk this game feels hard to me right now i want to do a lot of things. Rux s causing me to go crazy thinking he might of tmi va a no in hi he defended him. Skynx reaction was so over the top with grit and how he approaches the game is just weird to me this game at least. Tina list post got some pressure off her now she's disappeared into the aether. Which runs me badly. I don't think I want to lynch va today. Rels is a good policy lynch though. And ec filter is a bit to clean at this point, and weird in that he's sort of sidelined and not taking part in what's going on it seems to me and is avoiding like almost all notice atm. Or to quote a certain someone... | ||
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On July 15 2017 01:59 Tumblewood wrote: lmao i just read va's ---sick play--- and it is so ridiculous he has to be town. plus on that reveal he just seems so excited Sick play? I must've missed it. | ||
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So if all the people in the game the only scummy person you found is rels? | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:03 emperorchampion wrote: You think my filter is too clean?? Please expand on this. tbh I feel like I'm mostly playing my own game so far. I think I followed my main main null / could lynch reads fairly well so far, now I'm left with va and rels atm. So far I haven't seen much from va that could change my mind otherwise, which is quite unfortunate if he's town. Why rels? | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:08 emperorchampion wrote: Cause he hasn't done anything so far, I don't feel like I could remove him from a poe list with 0 activity. So besides va and rels everyone else are null or town leans? | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. I'm awaiting your findings ^^ | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:17 emperorchampion wrote: Yeah I was thinking about that now lol, I need to do some more scum hunting. Otherwise I think the next place to look is between you / skynx / geript, seems like there could be 1 scum in this. "Thinking about that now" You mean after I mentioned it?.. | ||
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It sounds good, no doubt. But there is this unnerving feeling that you're saying what you want us to hear, and not what you really believe. | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:40 geript wrote: I think he could be town. TBH idk who I want to lynch. Why is he now possible town? | ||
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No you fucking havent. Show me some quotes. | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:57 geript wrote: If you want to be a prick, I'll just get you lynched for being a fucking prick. Still waiting for the quotes.. oh wait there are none. | ||
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On July 15 2017 03:02 Skynx wrote: Ruxxar no offense but why are you defending your scumread? I'm not defending you, I'm attacking geript. | ||
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That's a pretty good reason no? | ||
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On July 15 2017 03:08 geript wrote: Good luck with that. Want to tell everyone to vote for either me or you today? Go ahead. | ||
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On July 15 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: boring Why don't you make it a bit more exciting. You were about to say something back then, but decided to just jump ship. | ||
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On July 15 2017 02:37 Holyflare wrote: No he means he's town and skynx could be town. It's not a slip and you're all retarded. I'm questioning why the fuck he randomly thinks skynx is town now after being so convicted before. Then radio silence.... | ||
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On July 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote: You mean I had real life and went out? Yeah, that happens. Geript is probably mafia because now he's just sheeping what myself and rayn said whereas before he was all happy with it being a mafia case. geript tell me in depth what has changed your mind please you mean you come back and the first thing you say is this: On July 15 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote: boring On July 15 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote: remember that rels guy that promised to be around? I sure do + Show Spoiler + ![]() Yep.. sure sounds like you were gonna follow up on geript. | ||
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On July 15 2017 04:03 Holyflare wrote: I read his responses and they were shit. People already asked the question I was gonna ask so what was the point? The point is that if you thought they were shit, why don't you act on it? | ||
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On July 15 2017 04:08 Holyflare wrote: because I got in and saw rels playing battlerite and that was far more pressing That's a good point though. Wtf is he doing. | ||
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On July 15 2017 04:16 Rels wrote: yo. Went home way later than expected, then a friend I had promised to play a video game with showed up. Available now, if someone could list me some cases that would be nice You show up 10 mins after getting called out by HF. That's either a hell of s coincidence or you are actually monitoring the thread... | ||
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VA flipped town, big wooop. He had it coming and I'm kinda glad he's dead. I mean, I gave him every opportunity to fight for himself, but his heart just wasn't in it. Hoping for a more motivated VA next time. | ||
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Can't think of any glaring in game moments of scum pushing together, so right now I'm drawing a blank on associations. This will be a quiet night. | ||
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On July 15 2017 08:53 geript wrote: So ruxxar doesn't believe me, thinks I'm lying about the claim, still voting with me and following my case... WTF? Skynx is a good vote regardless of your case. | ||
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On July 15 2017 15:56 Holyflare wrote: Fun game. Maybe I'll just shoot you to let you out of your poor misery. | ||
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You were clearly not playing a rational game of mafia. When the only content of your posts is flinging hearts and emotional fluff, then you deserve to get called out for it. You've had a couple good posts in your filter, but if you'd just cut out the 90% of the fluffy bullshit, then this wouldn't even be an issue. | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:37 Holyflare wrote: Don't quote me on this though. I heavily think he could also be town. Oh man, I guess I just have to die then don't I? | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote: I forgot the rest of his play but I know there are other things. "I forgot" "There are other things" ... | ||
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If you've come to your senses and are ready to lynch him now, then let's get rid of some scum. | ||
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Top 3 scum right now? | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think we have to. Unless ofc you shoot him or cop sicklucker. I'll try to summon my super powers. | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk i dont really care before tomorrow .... how do you know you will be here tomorrow? Nice scum slip ![]() | ||
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On July 15 2017 18:57 Holyflare wrote: because there's two masons to kill Fuck your HF. That was a fucking dumb post. | ||
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On July 15 2017 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is some good for thought for you ruxxar. I dont scumslip. No one does, until they do. | ||
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On July 15 2017 19:03 Holyflare wrote: mafia vig Then shoot koshi and I might forgive you. | ||
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On July 15 2017 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Right. And i dont. Ive never seen an actual scumslip except from onegu, and even then people managed to fail lynching him... even after his scumbuddy pointed it out. So why were you not expecting to die tonight? | ||
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On July 15 2017 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Obviously because i scumslipped duh Can you give me a serious answer? | ||
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On July 15 2017 19:13 emperorchampion wrote: Rux who else is scum for you right now Koshi is lock scum. Rayn is lock town. Tumble is lock town. Everyone else are in a fleeting state of scum leans. I feel like I have very few solid town reads so far, and it's bothering me. | ||
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I get a sense of genuine honest curiosity from you. It doesn't feel forced or fake. | ||
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Damdred is a hard read. I feel like every time he says something it's very restrained. Gives a sort of xata mafia vibe, but that is just superficial stuff. I don't have anything solid on him. Geript on the other hand, I kinda want to die regardless of his alignment. I don't think skynx and geript are mafia together, and I regrettably have to admit that as much as I dislike geript and that he is a proven liar, I don't have any solid reason to call him lock scum. I'll have to do some filtering of both of those to see if there's some long running agenda I might've missed. that will have to wait though, I'm on the move-Ish right now. | ||
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On July 15 2017 21:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, you will, and did, only get a sarcastic one for very obvious reasons. Why do you even care if i am lock town? So you're expecting to die? Why so hesitant with giving scum reads. I feel like I'm nitpicking, but it just seemed out of place. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:37 emperorchampion wrote: So you don't believe the mason claim. Is there any reason why not? Why should I believe it? I don't see any reason to. | ||
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On July 15 2017 22:53 emperorchampion wrote: Also not 100% sold on rux's read on me. Said it was just for being honest and open, but I hope that I've done more than just be honest this game lol. Like there must be something else in there to town read me for. Your dialogue is free flowing and unfiltered. You're not guarding your thoughts or being careful in what you say. I don't know how better to put it, but in my heart I strongly believe you are town. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:04 emperorchampion wrote: Then do you see any reason for them to claim masons as town? I like this question a lot. Forced me to think real hard. You get extra town credit for that. To answer your question, no, I can't think of any good reasons besides them being really good friends that want to keep each other alive. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:21 Skynx wrote: For my part, I buy tina's raging for now. Votes on VA are just so easy to justify. He just fucked up as town. So it's kinda pointless to analyse by logic behind votes. I'll post a more decent list later today when i wrap up my thoughts but rayn, HF, geript, damdy are no lynch category. Rels/sl is null as ever and tina is a soft town. ruxxar tw are my top two scumreads. You and Koshi are a mystery right now so I'll be reading you two for a while now. I like your reasoning about the vote. I like this post in general. I think I was wrong about you tbh. I'm moving you to town lean. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:22 emperorchampion wrote: So are they more mafia because of it, or less? Cause it's like a pretty big thing that I don't think you mentioned at all. And you're individually scum reading both of them. I have such a negative view on both of them that I can't bear myself to call them town for it, even if that is supposedly the objectively correct play. Might just be my personal bias in wanting them to be scum, but for now it's all just a muddy mess surrounding them. Like my intuition is telling me that they both look real shady, and then having to accept that they are town would just fly right in my face of reading the game. I don't think my ego can handle it. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:35 emperorchampion wrote: meh, I'm starting to think that this game isn't nearly as solved as I thought it was. Guess it's not surprising. Please explain ![]() | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:38 emperorchampion wrote: I just felt good on skynx / koshi as scum. Rels could be, still 50/50. Now not as much, guess there's a lot more places to look. Why don't you feel good about your read anymore? Was it something I said? | ||
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Koshi. Holyflare. Sicklucker. Rels is ?? Vivax is ?? | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:44 emperorchampion wrote: It's more just have to look more into you, and tumble. Maaybe rayn, but it's a pretty outside shot at this point. Are there any other doubters on the mason claim? So your read changed by the fact that you now think I am more scummy? | ||
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He keeps shouting from the rooftops that every mother and his dog are mafia but doesn't do jack shit with his reads. He just soft pushes people then backs off. It's a waffling insecure HF, who's all bark, no bite. That's not the HF I saw last game. | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:52 emperorchampion wrote: damn I completely forgot about sl, yeah he could also be scum maybe Thats what mafia want you to do ![]() | ||
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On July 15 2017 23:50 Damdred wrote: Just thoughts about eod. Sound is more than likely town because I it. Usually when the lynch I show contests or appears close I love flipping the second wagon because it is no likely scum than town in that situation. Even though the wagon was close in 6 v 5, it never actually del contested or close by any stretch of the imagination. Which led me to thinking that mafia were pretty relaxed about the outcome because none were up do lynch. (Or all were all at eod but I think everyone but sky was present close to it). We also know 3/5 of the people on the skynx wagon were town. I'm pretty sure Tina is town (her slot). Sky was afk and I think hes town atm. So from my po of view all of the mag have to n on the two wagons. The first person I think is most interesting is rux, his vote looks pretty bad in hindsight considerinh the wagons initiator is one of his biggest scum reads, one of his second scum reads is on the wagon. He hard defends va for no reason in a tmi type way, and then immediately starts discrediting geript and myself . I think from his voting logoc to the way he is handling himself he is probably scum. Koshi is the second person I think is most suspect. His vote and other reads at points just seems like he I hanging on to rayn and riding I to the end. And even lazy koshi has a few more thoughts that are pretty decent that here. Tw I think is most likely town here, his bit looks bad but he is to honest atm and his vote looks bad and awkward and I fond that comes from town generally and he actually makes it seem like he can create a difference in the bit and seems to believe . Another town trait. I think ec, hf and rayn are town. So unless I'm mistaken that just leave sl, rels as the last scum. And it's probably rels maybe? Not sure about that one. Good. Another one opens his eyes to koshi. Tomorrow is going to be great. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:05 emperorchampion wrote: Has koshi responded at all to ruxxar's pressure on him all game so far? Like if they're scum buddies does rux go balls to the wall since day 1? Nope, he's a slippery eel. Only thing he said is that "different doesn't mean scum". Couldn't get any traction day 1. Hoping for better luck tomorrow. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already talked about this, ruxxar did nothing with his super scumread on Koshi. I don't see why they cant be mafia together. As long as you help me lynch koshi I don't care what you call me. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's bs, you never even tried. or if you did please show me where it is in your filter? Never even tried? I called out the guy a million times. Asked people their thoughts on him. Parked my vote on him for a long ass time. Then you show up with your bullshit claim that I'm mafia for voting koshi?! You can just f**k right off. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont care where your vote was. Show me where you pushed his lynch, especially after your first "case" (the way Koshi started the game) was proven wrong. It should be very easy thing to do if you actually did that... And no, saying "lynch this guy" is not the same thing as pushing someone, because a push with no reasoning is like my shoe. On July 13 2017 21:33 ruXxar wrote: 1) your opening post basically declares "I'm going to play this game solo" Which sets up the expectation of a low interactivity game from you. Having that excuse in your back to take pressure of your non-interactivity is great from a mafia agenda point of view. 2) You are somber by the fact that you don't have the jesty/non-chalant way of talking as you did last game. Example of posts you made as town that represent such a tone: | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: noone in this game is ever going to be "helping you lynching koshi" since if he flips mafia you deserve as much credit for it as my shoe does. Maybe it was your shoe that told you that VA was scum. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:40 Holyflare wrote: Why aren't you pushing me ruxxar? I don't want to distract people from lynching koshi. | ||
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On July 16 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote: Are you 100% gonna stick to this read? No it's not 100%. Looking through my filter, I found sicklucker to be more interesting. He actually defended koshi with out of game information, not just once, but twice. Koshi/SL team is very possible. Then you may slide into third place, or maybe rels/vivax. On July 13 2017 18:48 sicklucker wrote: I remember koshi saying he was gonna try to do a 1 page filter last game so I think he looks neutral to good Like this is a terrible defense of a person. What he's saying is "koshi said he was gonna play scummy, and because he's playing scummy he looks good" No, it makes him look fucking scummy. On July 13 2017 21:37 sicklucker wrote: Koshi had this planned before the game even started he talked about it in the obs qt and post game , last game.... | ||
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On July 16 2017 01:10 Holyflare wrote: Hahaha you failed at pushing me so I'm on the back burner now. Hahahahahahaha I'll do your case next. Be patient. | ||
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So I spent 30 mins reading your filter. Mostly I found your opinion on people waffling like a limp helicopter dick. Nothing really screaming mafia as much as my memory told me though, so I'm dropping my strong mafia read for now. | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:00 Skynx wrote: In that regard, Rels and sicklucker have absolutely no thoughts on me. But thats kind of expected from them. That leaves Koshi. Leaves koshi how? | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:13 Holyflare wrote: Bahahahajshahaha epic mafia failure. You start with an assumption and then decide to read my filter. You are so Mafia. Assumption != memory. | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:17 Holyflare wrote: It's a mafia mindset. You'd rather sling out accusations and try and mKe them stick than figure out the game In this case the accusation made perfect sense before I read your filter. | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:21 Holyflare wrote: That's bull shit. I implore people to read your initial post accusing me. Your accusations are the EXACT SAME as what you concluded when you read my filter!! Yes, in my memory(from interacting with you) it felt more impactful than when reading them in retrospect. The fact that you were part of my POE also amplified that. | ||
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Aka it's trash. The fact that your waffling could be a mafia trait. The issue is that the people you are waffling on has no impact on the lynch. So it didn't really matter. The only thing I could find that could resemble mafia motivation is the fact that you call koshi mafia and later sheep his vote on VA. But since Rayn was also there to push it, I can't say that is your only reason for doing so and again the argument falls short. | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:35 Holyflare wrote: So I waffled and had no impact on a town lynch and there's no mafia motivation there? :D :D Besides looking like you're doing something when in fact you are doing nothing, then no. | ||
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On July 16 2017 02:46 emperorchampion wrote: rux if you're town, please just try to find some scum and stop making crazy posts. It's impossible to read you as town atm. Koshi is scum. | ||
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On July 16 2017 03:41 Skynx wrote: I promissed a list so there we go Never lynch town: rayn, HF, geript, Damdred rayn has been the town pillar this game, not really need to say more + we had the exact same scumlist yesterday. This is town HF, he's been diving into detail finding little stuff on Ruxxar that i liked, he was instantly on VA, etc. He is scumhunting decently so far. geript and damdy are uncontested masons, breadcrumbed earlier + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2017 08:47 Damdred wrote: Also I will burn this thread to the ground over geript, just so everyone knows. I think rayb is also town. Tina probably not town at this point, rux not sure but he's a bit nitpicky go me atm. On July 13 2017 09:07 Damdred wrote: I think geript is town for these reasons 1) he has no real motivation as scum. Look at his previous games and as scum he's a leader and always have a plan. Here he's just eh. 2) He leaves himself in bad positions with his opinions. Like his opening post had no real logic behind it which us a town trait for geript early. As scum he could of fakes a reason instead he went eh Idk. 3) I just know he's town this game. (Imo) Town: I bought tinas raging in the thread and now replacing out of emotion is really convincing. I don't see a mafia doing this, it would just be very unsportsmanlike (altho confirming Vivax like this is very dicky aswell) Null: Rels, sicklucker Unreadable boyz in da hood of D1, voted VA cuz VA is bad. Need to step up bigtime now. Scum: TW, Ruxxar, emperor They have all done objectively scummy shit, all in my filter so go look it up. Koshi is on a category of his own, he hasn't done a towny thing so far so that warrants a scumread on its own but i just can't bring together a case looking at his filter. He needs to be lynched at some point if he keeps going like this. What do you think about my case on koshi? | ||
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lynch koshi: Ruxx. Rayn. Damdred. Emperor Anyone else that also votes koshi tomorrow gets a free town pass. | ||
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On July 16 2017 06:03 Holyflare wrote: Time to get real k. Dand and geript aren't masons. Rels is red check. ##vote rels Why are they not masons? | ||
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On July 16 2017 06:36 Holyflare wrote: They could still be masons but thsy didn't die idk According to this, you shouldnt be surprised.(incognitos general guide to mafia) Kill Strategy When you have limited KP and multiple targets you wish to eliminate, it is important to prioritize your kills. 1. Posters that are making sense and are on the right track 2. Townies that are known for being dangerous analysts 3. Blue roles (especially DTs and Medics) 4. Confirmed townies | ||
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On July 16 2017 07:23 Holyflare wrote: There is 0% absolutely 0% chance ruxxar is town this game. Vote for me then. | ||
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On July 16 2017 07:32 Holyflare wrote: After red check *yawn* | ||
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On July 16 2017 07:48 Holyflare wrote: Like who the fuck sees a one shot cop claim and quotes the guide on how to play mafia and votes not the red check???? You don't need my help to lynch a red check. | ||
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On July 16 2017 08:00 Koshi wrote: I'll do something in 24 hours. Comes out of inactivity to report more inactivity. | ||
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From now on I'm going to behave in a good manner. No more derogatory, sarcastic or inflammatory commments. Only PG-13 and family friendly comments from now on. | ||
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On July 16 2017 08:29 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar you do understand if you're town you haven't got any better since last game and you're mafia siding really hard? Please explain how so I can learn from my mistakes. I want to become a better player. | ||
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On July 16 2017 09:53 geript wrote: @HF. I'd like to get your opinion on TW. IMO, he looks like a great flip (better than Rux). He seems to have a lot of opinions without many suppositions. Many of those opinions are correct and I don't think he was more than mediocre when I've played with him previously. I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: On July 14 2017 14:51 Tumblewood wrote: the scary thing is i don't think hf is obvious mafia this game. idk what that's supposed to mean but i don't think i want to lynch him today ... actually looking at the playerlist, if you remove everyone i had some reason to not wanna lynch today it's only 4 people. and that's ec/va/rels/koshi. so imma lynch into them in that order(ish) and then after than idk but if i wanna actually be decent i'll have to filter people. tomorrow (TM) HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: On July 15 2017 01:52 Tumblewood wrote: i didn't say he is. i said he was one of four people i had no reason to townread, and right now i am filtering him I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. | ||
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On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote: @ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you? I called tumble lock town first. | ||
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On July 16 2017 16:55 emperorchampion wrote: @ ruxxar: do you remember if you had a town lock on tumble first, or him with you? Please explain why that is important to you. | ||
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On July 16 2017 18:35 Holyflare wrote: I have a massive headache. Expect nothing from me. I'll look at tw later I guess but I haven't read a single filter all game. Take it easy man, get some good rest ![]() | ||
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On July 16 2017 12:46 Tumblewood wrote: wow, it's not often that a point is good enough that i actually listen to it. it's not infallible but it's a real good thing to consider and i think skynx is town Why do you make this post now? It's out of context. | ||
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On July 16 2017 19:30 emperorchampion wrote: I think that one of the reads could be a buddying attempt since there's an ok chance one of you are scum. Tumbles read seems a bit more suspicious at the moment given his most recent reply. To me seems possible that tumble gives you town lock as scum to help build allies with players that are in weaker situations. I can see that. I know I look bad for my defending of VA, so I'm a hypocrite for saying this, but I think TW also looks bad for his supposed town read on VA. I wouldn't say it's definitely mafia though, since I'm town and reached the same conclusion. What most bothers me about TW, is how little doubt he has about any of his reads. His reads are static and non evolving as the game progresses. Most notably very few ingame events makes him reconsider his reads, which means that his reads are locked regardless of what we do. That is a sign of someone with TMI aka mafia. | ||
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On July 16 2017 19:40 emperorchampion wrote: How so out of context? I respect rayns read, part of what makes me think that skynx could just be lazy so far. I don't think it's as alignment indicative as rayn tho. Tumbles response is kinda weird. Does tumble have other things supporting skynx town? I don't remember fully, just the part where he said that skynx wasn't an ideal off wagon. Not sure if this point alone is enough to justify a town read but depends on his previous stance to me. What I mean is that it's random that TW comes back and makes that post. I don't disagree with what Rayn said, but why does TW come back and that is one of the posts he makes? | ||
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On July 16 2017 20:01 emperorchampion wrote: He made 1 other catching up post, so not too out of context Yes, but why specifically that one? Examples of thought processes: "I was filtering Rayn and came over this tidbit" "I was looking for a reason to call skynx town". When he doesn't share his thoughtprocess it leaves us with imperfect information. Imperfect information leads to assumptions. Assumptions in a game of mafia naturally leads to suspicion. If he wants to be townread he should leave as little as possible to our imagination. | ||
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On July 16 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote: Non-voters (3) - Rels, Vivax, Koshi lol mafia team What do you think about my post on TW? | ||
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On July 16 2017 20:57 emperorchampion wrote: It could be something, but to me it's pretty nai By itself, yes. But forcing him to explain it can lead to inconsistencies in his explanation over a longer period of time. A scum player doesn't have a set of reads in his head that he keeps mulling over and reevaluates over the timeline of the game. They already know they alignment of everyone. As such it's very easy for scum to trip over their own reads or contradict themselves. They don't have the same natural flow of timeline in their head where their town and scum reads are living. Instead they make static reads based part on thread sentiment and part based on some inconsistency they think they found on another player. At first glance that might look pretty townie, but as mafia your reads tend to go stale. You made a case on a person and that's it. You don't follow the flow of the thread and update your reads. You stick with the case you made on that person and that's it. As such it's hard to keep a consistent stream of reads, especially scum reads as mafia. Anyway. The reason I'm prodding TW about it is because I want to see if there's a genuine thought process that I can associate with the rest of his play(consistency in play) and that it's not just an artificial read produced to fit his mafia gameplan. | ||
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I'm traveling by car on a road trip tonight at 10pm ish. I won't arrive at my destination until the next morning. I won't be available during that time. | ||
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If rels flips green, we are lynching HF, correct? | ||
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On July 16 2017 21:59 Holyflare wrote: Are you doing retarded mafia siding things intentionally? No. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:10 Holyflare wrote: Then why even ask? I'm town read by everyone in this game and have no reason to fake claim and rels and koshi a red check and your top scum read are just afk doing nothing. Why would you even ask that question at that point? Break down your thought process to me. 1) Because I'm concerned that you are mafia fake-claiming. And if rels flips green you're going to claim that mafia has a framer to balance out the masons/cop. If rels flips green I'm not going to believe such a claim from you. 2) what do you mean "and koshi a red check"? | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:19 Holyflare wrote: A framer with a miller in this game would be bull shit Having two confirmed towns and a cop in a 13 man game is incredibly town sided. I personally think having mssons in a mini mafia game is quite a fun killer. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote: But also let me just get this straight. If you have concerns that I'm mafia fake claiming and have already determined that if rels were to flip green I should be lynched why are you checking something so obvious with the thread? Furthermore, since you have this thought process you absolutely need to explain what my mafia motivation is (that thing you completely love saying) to claim a red check on a rels that will inevitably flip green and lose all the amazing town credit I have from 90% of the game? What's the play? Trade one me for one afk rels for no reason? The mafia motivation is this: Koshi is mafia. If you are mafia you don't want koshi to be lynched, which is a high possibility tomorrow. Rels already looks bad and is afk, so with a fake cop check it should be easy to push his lynch. This buys you a free lynch, and takes attention away from koshi. Later you argue that there is a framer in the game for balance. I'm not saying you are mafia now, but I want to hedge myself for that possibility so you don't slip away. I know you are good player and hold you in such high regard that I know you could easily make such a play if you wanted to. Plus; you said the game wa boring, so maybe you decided to have a little fun. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:34 Holyflare wrote: and yet when I questioned it you were the one trying to throw shade at it there's absolutely no way you're town here You are cherry picking quotes taking it out of context. If you had read my filter you would've found this. On July 15 2017 23:02 ruXxar wrote: Why should I believe it? I don't see any reason to. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:40 Holyflare wrote: what roles do you think mafia has against one shot cop and two masons? It doesn't matter because I'm lynching you regardless if rels is town. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:37 Holyflare wrote: And besides why in your scenario is there no actual room for there to be a framer in "for balance" and for me to be the real cop? The % chance of there being a framer the game and framing rels the exact night you check him is too low to take with any ounce of seriousness. | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:51 Holyflare wrote: Who would a framer frame then? Are you saying that you are expecting to get framed? | ||
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On July 16 2017 22:57 Holyflare wrote: No, I'm trying to imagine what it's like to be a town ruxxar who says the masons aren't real but also that the cop claim is fake and also that a framer can't exist if they're both real but then wouldn't know who they would frame but then thinks the person who doesn't fake claim cop would fake claim cop as mafia for a 0% play to save koshi and trade 2 of the mafia team instead of just 1. I'm struggling a lot. Then let's not waste more time discussing framers and just accept that if rels is green we lynch you. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:00 Holyflare wrote: I can't explain your thought processes in any other way than mafia. You have so many dumps of drivel it's ridiculous. You say I'm cherry picking that I didn't quote how you disbelieved the masons and instead believed them and not me. Then you're saying I'm probably fake claiming and haven't even put a vote on rels the whole day which makes the above statement false. Then you say that you think masons in a game are broken but for some reason still disbelieve a 1 shot cop with a red check. Then you say if rels is green that I'm definitely mafia even though there is no reason in this world to fake claim ever. I said I'm *concerned* about you fake claiming. That's far away from "probably". | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:01 Holyflare wrote: I will never go down without a fight. If rels is green there is a confirmed framer. I will dump as much thought as possible into the game and never stop fighting. If rels is green you are mafia. End of discussion. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:38 Rels wrote: rux is not "attacking skynx's case on someone else" he's attacking geript's case on skynx. Does that change anything ? I was attacking skynx case on Rayn. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:39 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511964-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia-part-2 I am just going to post this here as an example of why I will never ever fake claim cop as town or mafia again on day 2 again. Relax. If rels is mafia you have nothing to worry about. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:46 Rels wrote: well I don't understand anything about your post then. Gonna read it again with context of the thread Basically I likened skynx case on Rayn to how btdt constructed his case on skynx in our last game. Basically I felt like skynx had missed out on some small crucial details that someone that was engaged in the thread at the time would've pickled up. Whereas someone who was just skimming the thread to catch up would miss. I was really undecided on whether that made skynx mafia or if it was just a bad town case. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:50 Rels wrote: ruxxar what's your read on EC ? I think he's town. Like I mentioned however I haven't evaluated skynx case on him, so my read doesn't include that. | ||
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On July 16 2017 23:56 Rels wrote: Why is there a "1" randomly in there ? "1. Skynx case on Rayn is flawed and based on half truths." Why did you comment Skynx' case on rayn when geript asked for your opinion on his case ? Don't remember about the 1. I was probably going to make a list of points then decided to just write it in one big post. I read geript case, then I reevaluated my stance on skynx. My opinion of skynx case was already made up long before geript said anything about skynx. The only thing that changed was my perspective on whether skynx case made him mafia or misguided town. I was initially leaning towards town, and also had koshi as primary scum early in the day, so didn't see a reason to switch. I didn't really care to analyze geripts case on skynx. I read it and thought "meh". The only point I drew from it was the fact that skynx came to the wrong conclusion regarding Rayn/geript conversation. (And I mentioned this in my response). Which meshes with what I was previously thinking as well. Another factor that made me change my vote to skynx was that not many people were enthusiastic about lynching koshi. I considered koshi lynch a lost case for the day at that point and decided to consolidate my vote. | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:08 Rels wrote: So you "reallly like the analysis post Skynx made, and Skynx brought up a lot of good points." Skynx is analytic. But later Skynx is so bad it makes him town ?? That doesn't match. Then you change your mind to say it actually probably makes him scum, voting him. Yes, it looked like he had a towny mindset trying to do a proper case. I never agreed to the conclusions he reached. | ||
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On July 13 2017 23:05 ruXxar wrote: I agree that is interesting. But I think skynx is misguided. I'm pretty confident Rayn is town. | ||
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On July 17 2017 00:57 Rels wrote: because you're saying you have a red check on me Slam dunk. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote: Ok, whatever, I'm rescinding my claim. I don't want to waste any more time doing it and I want to further the discussion today so we can actually lynch ruxxar or koshi. Everything ruxxar has done this game is absolutely FULL of TMI. Not only with VA but with this claim too. I think rels could maybe actually be town purely for his appeal to me about fake claiming on this page and it's stupid but I'm gonna roll with it. I can't be bothered to work out how many mislynches there are till end game if rels flipped town but if it's one all of ruxxar's posts outline setting me up for the mislynch the next day when it's an obvious unspoken thing. ##vote holyflare Die scum. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:33 Holyflare wrote: Ruxxar. Your whole fake claim spiel plan was that I'm mafia trying to save koshi. Now I'm lynching koshi. What's the excuse now? He's your mafia partner. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:43 Holyflare wrote: Yeh so let's lynch koshi then k? No. I've had enough of your scummy shenanigans. Either lynch me or NK me. I'm not changing my vote until you are dead. | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:35 Rels wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Koshi Why? | ||
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On July 17 2017 01:55 Rels wrote: And you ignore HFs fake claim why? | ||
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On July 17 2017 02:37 Koshi wrote: Would be a pretty great play if Rels and HF are mafia together. HF using his towncred to create and abolish a wagon on Rels. Rels doing nothing but pushing the ml of the day. Good stuff. I had the same thought. Rels backed off HF too fast for my liking. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:16 Tumblewood wrote: you could just as easily say the opposite. "oh, mafia like not committing, so they can change their positions later as it suits them." see how easy that was? i've heard both sides of the coin on tmi and wishy-washy and as far as i'm concerned both sides are wrong I like this post. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:20 Koshi wrote: Why it has nothing to do with mafia and he is wrong. Mafia has a way tougher time gradually acquiring townread than a townie has. So it happens more often that they seemingly out of nowhere read somebody town and then ignore that person for a very long time. While a townie more often uses 3-4 or more posts to read somebody town. And that post has nothing to do with actually playing mafia. Maybe he's wrong, but you could easily argue it either way, and there's no way to prove you wrong. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 16 2017 10:52 ruXxar wrote: I'm reviewing my read on TW, who I previously had as lock town. The reason for my lock town read, was a very strong tone and meta read from his first list post. After now reviewing his filter again, my opinion on him has changed from locked town to free agent. Here is one of my findings on why my opinion changed: Here he says who he wants to lynch due to his Poe. But more importantly he mentions the *order* in which he wants to lynch. Indicating that this is his strongest scum reads from left to right: HOWEVER. When I question him later why EC is his primary scum read(as indicated from the post above), this is the response I get: I find it suspicious that before even filtering his *primary* scum read, he has already determined the order in which he want to lynch his scum reads. This tells me that he constructed the order in which he wanted to lynch people based on something else than their actual posts in the game. This could be mafia wanting to push a lynch agenda suited to third agenda. It really seemed to catch TW off-guard to be questioned about this, when he should've already had his reasons clear to him on the lynch order if he was town. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:28 Koshi wrote: That's not the point. I am explaining to you that it isn't a "good post". The post from TW was just NAI and didn't disprove my previous post at all... So how is it a good post? It's a good post because it renders your argument prett weak. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote: I read it but just kept in the back of my mind as "possible true". Rereading it now, I like the a lot. Shows TW is not finding mafia and just going with the flow this game. And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. What does this mean? | ||
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Isn't that a term you use about someone who is town? I thought you was calling TW scum. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote: That in this game TW is not solving the game. Which for him is the fun part. His only scumread is me and I don't even know why. Probably thread sentiment. Explain what changed your mind to now reach this conclusion of being so sure. On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote: And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:53 Holyflare wrote: dude doesn't remember any of his reads doesn't even remember he 100% scum reads you .... just ..... no | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote: he did explain that in general tw is like that but isn't like that in this game It's this part that interests me On July 17 2017 03:34 Koshi wrote: And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. What made him, in *that* moment become so sure. | ||
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On July 17 2017 03:59 Koshi wrote: I said the now because last time I said something about TW and that was incorrect ↓. But this time I am sure I am correct. + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote: And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right. Mafia prefers to work with absolutes. So VA being lock town for being excited is way more likely coming from a mafia than a town. You don't answer my question. Why? | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:03 Koshi wrote: Last time I wasn't sure about something I said and this time I was sure. Holy fuck... In which wolrd does it even matter??? So this new surety of TWs play style just manifested itself out of nothing? | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:06 Koshi wrote: my brain? and the fact I played a lot with him. So why weren't you she before, but now you are sure? | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:07 ruXxar wrote: So why weren't you sure before, but now you are sure? | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:07 Koshi wrote: I prefer the quiet ruXxar that worshipped me from last game. If you had played like last game I'd have no reason to scum read you. | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:09 Koshi wrote: Cuz 1 thing I wasn't sure about. But the other thing I was sure about. It's like: Koshi: I am not sure I ate a banana last week but I think I did. Koshi's mom: No you didn't eat a banana last weak. Koshi: oh ok, but now I am sure about the fact I ate a apple last week. ??? That analogy is about recollecting memory. It has nothing to do with you forming a new opinion on a subject. | ||
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On July 17 2017 04:14 Holyflare wrote: So let me ask you this. You were wrong about TW's meta in your original post which means you don't even know how he correctly plays or what he posts like. So how do you now know that TW is a confident person that says his reads and doesn't care how he looks if you didn't know the first time? ALSO isn't this read the exact same as what you're scum reading TW for about how he forced a read onto VA about him being excited and town? It looks the same to me. This is what I'm asking. It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer. | ||
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On July 17 2017 02:40 Koshi wrote: And TW is not the person who makes those kinda reads. Not 100% on that but I think I am right. To this: And now I am pretty sure about the fact TW is somebody who does not care about how people perceive him but about solving the game. If needed on his own. What changed in between? | ||
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On July 17 2017 06:23 Rels wrote: the way he thinks about the game makes me think of last game. Last game he had this idea of scum being in annul => he based all his game view on that. This game he sees you fakeclaiming a check => he's basing his game view on that. He watns to lynch you, and he doesn't understand why you're not voted. Rels with the god read. Makes me want to call you town ![]() | ||
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After all I've done this game, you think I am mafia with koshi...? | ||
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On July 17 2017 22:59 Holyflare wrote: Did your mason chat break? !!! | ||
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On July 17 2017 17:38 Skynx wrote: Can we go on with the confirmed mafia in Ruxxar please? What makes me confirmed mafia? In what universe am I scum with koshi? | ||
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On July 18 2017 02:18 Holyflare wrote: Honestly I don't even care who gets lynched out of 90% of the game. Of course mafia doesn't care. | ||
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Hope another game opens soon. Post game thoughts: HF: still think your play was scummy and would've voted you again if I could. Might've picked up some read pointers for your alignment. Rayn: I feel like I have a pretty solid read on you. Very towny this game. Koshi: Felt like super obvious scum, your town and scum play is nothing alike(in my limited experience) TW: good tone, felt remarkably different from your scum game. Content more dubious, but I guess that's natural as town. SL: from my Pov you lacked direction and your usual town arrogance this game. I felt you cowered when challenged. Skynx: Felt a tone change from last game. More positive and on the prowl. I enjoyed it. EC: Chatty chatty. A little wild at points but overall towny approach. It was nice meeting you. Hope we play again soon ![]() Geript: Thanks for the advice. Will take a bit more to cure my trigger finger though. Damdred: Didn't seem like you were involved this game, or maybe you're always this cool headed. Hard to read you because of that. Rels: Once again no D1 presence ![]() Really liked you when you started playing. VA: Well... I really hated how you played this game. I do apologize for calling you socially awkward, but your play was downright awful. You didn't try to play the game or produce any valuable reads for town. Your death was deserved, but I didn't like it. Overall thoughts: Masons made the game boring after the claim. | ||
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On July 27 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: I thought I played quite towny lol? Your reads were all over the place. I felt like at some point you had called everyone town and scum. Basically it looks like you're doing something when you're not. Flailing your arms around and puffing your chest, but ultimately there's no dedication or commitment. In my eyes that's quite scummy. | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:03 rsoultin wrote: I actually find reevaluation towny, ruxxy ^^ especially when people have strong opinions one way or the other earlier Sure, but when people flip their reads from town to scum to town as quick as the bat of an eye, it doesn't feel like their reads carry any weight. This generates the feeling of light town/scum lean hedging where you always leave yourself an escape route as scum. | ||
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On July 27 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote: Which is the complete opposite of my mafia meta of hounding people till they get lynched :D From what I remember this is very true. I'll give you that ![]() | ||
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It was 90% my own fault. My day 2 play was atrocious. I couldn't present myself with an honest towny appearance as long as I was scum reading hf and koshi. When HF even wanted to lynch koshi, i was checkmated and sidelined. I'll try to be stronger next time and overcome these mental blocks of mine. | ||
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On July 27 2017 07:40 Tictock wrote: I think you may do well to try to restrain your posting a bit more. I felt you would post any and every thought that crossed your mind and that led to you constantly contradicting yourself or loosing your train of thought. It was what caused multiple people to stop and ask wtf you were doing half the time. On the one hand posting freely and not holding back is very towny, but sometimes when you post everything you think it ends up flooding the game and your filter with conflicting drivel. I'm not saying you should hold back posting your thoughts, but take a few moments before hitting post to think of what you are posting is adding to the game or not. I can't help myself. When I play mafia I play mafia. I just feel like posting my thoughts and talking to people. I know this isn't always conducive to good mafia play, but playing mafia has to be entertaining to keep me playing. I keep myself entertained by posting stuff and being engaged. Which basically ends up with me making lots of filler posts in between my regular objective based posts. | ||
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Aside from all this off-topi talk Ruxxar if you're here i'd like to ask you something: Can you walk me through with the following; Yesterday i tried to go back and read our interactions on D1 and i still can't figure out where i went wrong. I usually try to learn why i misread someone but i honestly can't make any sense of this one. Basically i called you mafia for two reasons and i would like to know why you did those things: - You called out Damdred because he scumread rsoultin based on couple of her opening posts. He even said that very clearly. There is nothing wrong with that but the way you called him out was super bs imo, since you put it in a way of "well if you call out rsoultin then why don't you call these other people out too?", when those said other people had zero posts made. Like, you understand having made a couple of (or even one post) compared to zero posts make a huge difference? I genuinely associate that with mafia since you werent even really calling out Damdred out for what he did (aka the read in itself) but instead for something else (that doesn't even make any sense). It's like you were comparing two things that were completely different. - Then you seemed like Koshi was super duper scummy for you. Why didn't you ever try to talk about Koshi, push him, or interact with him? I mean like... it's not like people "mislead" you into talking about something else (for example in a way i pushed Rels to talk about nonsense in the last game final phase -- to avoid him making a case on BH), you picked the topics you wanted to talk about and Koshi was never there in those topics. I find it very unnatural, since i am used to people wanting to convince other people to lynch their top scumread. Especially when those said other people don't agree with you i don't understand why don't try to convince them and at the same time you are perfectly comfortable to discuss basically every other player in the game rather than Koshi. And i don't even think that's the worst part. I think the worst part is when i point this out and clearly give you a chance to explain yourself you call my words bs and call me unreasonable. And continue doing the same thing... I mean, did i miss something? Because i don't think i was being unreasonable at all since everything i said is true. 1) Damdred call-out: I was trying to bait some reactions from damdred. Elicit him to perhaps give something away. I said that my argument wasn't a strong one, but I found it good enough as a pretense to start questioning damdred. I wanted to engage him, but people kept distracting me, relieving him of pressure to respond. 2) No koshi push: Here's my issue: I made a couple posts on koshi, and the only one to actually respond to any of it in a serious matter was SL his scum buddy. No one else considered my cases to be worth jack. So I'm like ok, I asked a couple people what they thought of koshi and they go "meh w/e". Then koshi comes back in the thread and posts stuff on VA, but ignores anything I posted on him, leaving me with no more fodder to use against him. So at this point I could've done more by pressing the issue, and I definitely should have. Instead I kinda lost interest and went "meh". If no one was interested in voting koshi then I'll just do it myself. After a while I got bored, and when geript wanted to recruit people for a skynx lynch I thought it would be more fun than sitting alone on koshi. 3) our argument I think this is simply a matter of perception. I felt like I had pushed koshi quite a bit. You did not. In hindsight I can see how you would perceive that I hadn't. In my mind however I felt like I had adequately pushed koshi and I was 100% honest when I said so. I felt like you were trying to throw scum on me by misconstruing my opinion on koshi, which was that he was absolutely my #1 scum read. | ||
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Why did you vote for me when you were calling me town all game? | ||
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