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On July 14 2017 17:18 geript wrote:
Yes, Ruxxar. I really hate his thing on Skynx. Might be biased idk
What do you hate about it?
Let's talk it out.
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On July 14 2017 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:like seriously, his vote has been on Koshi all game, he cared about it enough to inform the hosts his vote is on Koshi. Where does this "occupied" thing show in his filter, before of after this post? Same thing with EC, he shows great interest in something, even points it out, then does nothing with it.
I already said all I have to say about koshi.
Unless he posts something new in the thread I have nothing new to comment on.
Just because im not rehashing and spamming the same arguments about koshi does not mean my passion for lynching him has waned.
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On July 14 2017 18:40 geript wrote:
You saying he's analytical when that's basically not the meaning of the word
He made a big case on Rayn = analytical.
That's all there is to it.
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On July 14 2017 18:44 geript wrote:
Plus you being all over the fucking place in your filter. Like being a mirror to who's in the thread at the time. Funny thing about it is that I see this more often from Town but I always find it scum.
All over the place as in?
My vote record has been straight as an arrow.
I always place my vote where I believe it's most likely to hit mafia at any current time.
With me what you see is what you get.
My vote has gone koshi -> skynx.
Clear as day.
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On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta?
Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post.
Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game.
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On July 14 2017 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 18:49 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 14 2017 03:46 ruXxar wrote:
Right now I'm occupied with koshI. like seriously, his vote has been on Koshi all game, he cared about it enough to inform the hosts his vote is on Koshi. Where does this "occupied" thing show in his filter, before of after this post? Same thing with EC, he shows great interest in something, even points it out, then does nothing with it. I already said all I have to say about koshi. Unless he posts something new in the thread I have nothing new to comment on. Just because im not rehashing and spamming the same arguments about koshi does not mean my passion for lynching him has waned. I dont think youre doing it in a townie way.
What's scummy about the way I'm doing it?
I couldn't know beforehand that koshi was gonna be afk this game.
And even when he decides to be afk, that means I should automatically drop my scum read on him and give him a pass?
That makes no sense at all.
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On July 14 2017 19:17 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 19:00 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:44 geript wrote:
Plus you being all over the fucking place in your filter. Like being a mirror to who's in the thread at the time. Funny thing about it is that I see this more often from Town but I always find it scum. All over the place as in? My vote record has been straight as an arrow. I always place my vote where I believe it's most likely to hit mafia at any current time. With me what you see is what you get. My vote has gone koshi -> skynx. Clear as day. Show nested quote +Maybe I'm repeating the same mistake I did from last game by calling it bad/uninformed town, but skynx is not my #1 lynch today. Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 08:17 ruXxar wrote:
Basically I'm willing to give him a chance, but if I keep seeing a pattern of cases that misrepresents actual thread events my opinion will change real quick. Then what is this shit? Biggest out in history. You're not even committed to it.
I changed my mind.
I did a re-evaluation after geript asked me to, and I decided I want to lynch skynx.
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On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt??
Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that.
The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town.
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Which is exactly the same dilemma I had when evaluating btdt's play last game.
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On July 14 2017 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
I also can't fathom your VA read in the slightest. At first it's oh maybe he has trouble interacting with people.
Then you got told he doesn't.
Then it's oh, maybe he's trying something new as town.
But it's his mafia meta and he admitted it.
Then there's no mafia motivation to do his mafia meta.
??????
Then tell me, what is the mafia motivation behind VAs posts?
Because even though he looks really bad/weird I can't see any clear mafia driven agenda behind it.
Whereas in skynx case I've seen mafia make that exact kind of posts before.
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On July 14 2017 19:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 19:14 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 14 2017 18:49 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 14 2017 03:46 ruXxar wrote:
Right now I'm occupied with koshI. like seriously, his vote has been on Koshi all game, he cared about it enough to inform the hosts his vote is on Koshi. Where does this "occupied" thing show in his filter, before of after this post? Same thing with EC, he shows great interest in something, even points it out, then does nothing with it. I already said all I have to say about koshi. Unless he posts something new in the thread I have nothing new to comment on. Just because im not rehashing and spamming the same arguments about koshi does not mean my passion for lynching him has waned. I dont think youre doing it in a townie way. What's scummy about the way I'm doing it? I couldn't know beforehand that koshi was gonna be afk this game. And even when he decides to be afk, that means I should automatically drop my scum read on him and give him a pass? That makes no sense at all. I know you didn't, except that you did. Because he said so. It's the easiest thing for mafia to find a target to just push someone "afk" who normally isn't afk. If they start posting then who cares, you can easily back off but you didn't actually try to do anything in the time before. Like if i called Rels mafia now for his super fucking nonsense post and voted for him just because he promised to play today and hasn't, there was nothing anyone could say about that because it is a "good" case, there is nothing wrong with that and normally that is mafia behaviour. But it doesn't make him mafia. It doesn't make him mafia even if he doesn't play today. It doesn't mean anything. Just like Koshi playing like he does doesn't mean anything. The thing is whenever you talk about townreads, you generally, maybe 8/10 are on point, exactly on point. But when you talk about scumreads your mindset totally flips around and all the good stuff you realize you somehow cannot see anymore. I think it makes you mafia.
The difference is that I called koshi mafia the moment he made his opening post. Whereas in rels case you would now have waited over a day to make that claim, where you have already observed his level of activity.
It's not even comparable to my scum read on koshi.
And I don't know what you mean by my mentality flips.
I'm hunting scum the only way I know how to hunt scum.
If you don't like it, then too bad.
This is who I am, deal with it.
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On July 14 2017 19:58 Skynx wrote:
Thats not true, analytical and bullshit at the same time is misleading case, usually = mafia.
Bingo...
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On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta?
I don't care what VA says about himself.
I care about what he does and why he would do those things.
Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda.
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On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him.
I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town".
I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier.
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On July 14 2017 20:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:32 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? I don't care what VA says about himself. I care about what he does and why he would do those things. Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda. Are you even reading the same fucking thread dude? Koshi/rayn jumpes on va for being mafia so fast and called him mafia for doing his mafia meta. He is forced to claim it's his meta at this point. So his agenda is he's pushing his mafia meta. Literally I can't comprehend what you're saying. It blows my mind so much that you have to be mafia. What he DID DO was his usual mafia agenda!!!
So let me ask again. Why are you saying there's no mafia agenda? Why does all mafia have to have any other agenda than "live"?
Every persons macro agenda, town or scum is to "live".
That doesn't mean mafia don't have other goals such as misdirecting town or trying to gain town credit.
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On July 14 2017 20:47 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him. I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town". I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier. Thats my point. I didn't do anything differently in that period and everything geript said was already available to you but when he presented them that was enough for you to change your mind?
You didn't do anything differently, that's true.
The major reason that edged you ahead of koshi is the fact that I can't gain any traction on him.
He's not posting, so I can't add any new material on him.
People don't want to lynch him or think my arguments against him are strong enough.
I've basically hit a dead end.
I'd rather consolidate my vote with others so that the person getting lynched is the one I most think has a chance to flip mafia.
Right now VA is a hot target, but I think you have a higher chance of flipping scum.
So even though I want to lynch koshi, I'd rather consolidate on lynching you, where my vote actually means something.
Leaving my vote solo on koshi is a waste of my vote right now.
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On July 14 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him. I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town". I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier. So you think he's bad town but you're calling him mafia just because you feel like you should?
No, i think his case on Rayn is bad, and I can see why mafia would make such a post.
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On July 14 2017 20:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 20:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:38 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:32 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? I don't care what VA says about himself. I care about what he does and why he would do those things. Right now he's not doing much of anything, which means he could be lumped into a pile of looks bad but no clear agenda. Are you even reading the same fucking thread dude? Koshi/rayn jumpes on va for being mafia so fast and called him mafia for doing his mafia meta. He is forced to claim it's his meta at this point. So his agenda is he's pushing his mafia meta. Literally I can't comprehend what you're saying. It blows my mind so much that you have to be mafia. What he DID DO was his usual mafia agenda!!!
So let me ask again. Why are you saying there's no mafia agenda? Why does all mafia have to have any other agenda than "live"? Every persons macro agenda, town or scum is to "live". That doesn't mean mafia don't have other goals such as misdirecting town or trying to gain town credit. Holy fucking shit you're just mafia. There's no other explanation for this.
Lul, indulge me please.
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On July 14 2017 21:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2017 21:49 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:39 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 20:31 Skynx wrote:On July 14 2017 20:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 20:06 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 19:18 Holyflare wrote:On July 14 2017 19:11 ruXxar wrote:On July 14 2017 18:46 Holyflare wrote:
Ruxxar why aren't you voting va?
Why did you defend va when he literally said himself it's his mafia meta? Because as much as VA looks bad, I don't necessarily see mafia motivation behind his post. Skynx case on Rayn has all the signs of being a mafia driven post.
To people who didn't pay attention to the thread it looks like a aging town case.
To people who read the thread you can see all the small holes in the information presented.
It's basically a deja vu of how btdt cased skynx last game. There's an incredibly stark contrast between my last post quotes and this. You at first don't even think he's mafia and give him an out. Now it's obvious mafia and similar to btdt?? Skynx case on Rayn was flawed and I've always said that. The only point of contention is whether he did it intentionally as mafia or as misguided town. And why is it more mafia now?? I don't even think the case is great on skynx. And why is va still not mafia when your point about having no mafia agenda is proven false by the fact it's his mafia meta? Ruxxar is prolly mafia cuz of this aswell, I mean if you always thought my case was analytical but bullshit at the same time, sr me for it or something. Now that there is a case it looks very opportunistic to jump on me while claiming oh i always had the same thoughts on him. I didn't SR you right away since I have a soft spot/blindside for "bad town". I've now decided to see what happens when I go against that intuition, breaking that barrier. So you think he's bad town but you're calling him mafia just because you feel like you should? No, i think his case on Rayn is bad, and I can see why mafia would make such a post. And why can't town make such a post? You quite easily thought a bad town skynx could make it so why is it suddenly a mafia skynx? Where's the difference? You even state yourself it's a terribly low percentage play for mafia to make so why is it mafia agenda and not a towny making a bad case? I don't even think it's that awful like you seem to outline.
It can be either, which I've already said,
And last game I had that exact same train of thought on btdt continually excusing it as bad town.
Now if I'm going to actually improve as a player I need to not fall into the same god damn apologetic trap again.
I can't forgive myself for making that same mistake twice, when the similarities are so obvious.
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It's nice to finally get some pushback again.
This game has been zzz for too long.
Feels like I'm on the right track somehow.
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