[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 325

On June 16 2017 15:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince are the hammers

I don't remember anything particular from any of them anyways

On June 20 2017 18:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels is in this game? d'oh

On June 21 2017 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
current main wagon:

Grackaroni (5): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority

D1 main wagon:

annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince

Ruxxar and Fecalfeast are voting together once more. Both rather townread people. Why was everyone so super sure on Fecalfeast again? I think there were valid points but don't remember.

VayneAuthority ended up on Skynx D1 and is now up on the Grack wagon after popping in for a while. So D1 a non-committal vote and D3 joining the wagon in a strong fashion (I think joining a wagon as #5/#6 has more weight than #1/#2) which gives me worries. What are VA's reasons?

Like, people from the annul wagon aren't exactly cleared. We're focusing on Rels, Grack, ES, but left out Ruxxar for a lot of time (for which exact reasons?)

Hmm

On June 21 2017 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:

And that makes me think Grack is scum with Skynx and Rels is town.

In a world where VA is town and scumreads Grack and Fecalfeast, with Skynx HEAVILY disagreeing with VA on Fecalfeast BUT being "okay" with a Grack lynch BUT voting Rels instead, I can see Skynx being scum with Grack. Get the town cred from saying "I'm okay with that", throw in a bunch of everyone-else ("I have no idea who's town"), and proceed to vote someone who's not your scum teammate but who is currently also in discussion of the thread.

That would meet the Xata vote, too, because it was exactly the kind of bussing I'd expect from scum.

On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

On June 26 2017 17:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Confirmed town:

VA (Vig claim)
ES (Tracker claim)

There was more confirmed town by the ES claimed but I forgot, please help me out.

I think one of Rels/Ruxxar is scum. It just makes sense that one scummer is in who's active in the thread while the rest hides/hid in the afk pile. The afk pile has drastically been reduced, which is great, and Tumble's flip kinda confirms to me that the scum team is super low volume. I think Ruxxar looks actually worse than Rels but this is completely based on gut.

We should always lynch Skynx or 3-page-Palmar here, no questions asked. I think we have 2 or 3 mislynches left now that Tumble flipped. Mafia has 1KP, we even have a jailkeeper in. We're in a super position .

On June 26 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
but all we have are lazy towns and active scummers. I'm not 100% locked on Rels but Rels/Palmar/Skynx actually is a thing

On June 28 2017 04:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
"if he's scum then wp" I hate to say that but I don't see fecal being the lynch prior to Palmar/Skynx/(Rels)

On June 28 2017 08:19 beentheredonethat wrote:

nah you didn't switch because you're scum with Rels

you had the hammer and were content voting with me

On June 28 2017 17:03 beentheredonethat wrote:

My whole stance back then was Skynx and Palmar being a team, mainly because both were pushing me and denying me being obvious town.

So when I realized "dude, I got the hammer", I hammered Rels, because Skynx was super happy with voting Palmar. I expected Skynx to INSTANTLY retract his super weird town thing he had on me and he did, so I was super fine switching back to Palmar.

I thought Skynx is bussing and Palmar is confirmed scum at this point.
Had I switched to Rels, I would have gained 0 informaton about Skynx/Palmar - and a Palmar red flip would've confirmed Skynx as super redredred.

Game isn't as easy as I thought, it's probably Skynx and Rels plus x.

On June 28 2017 17:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Like, Skynx pretty much confirmed himself as scum:

1. His top scumread (me) was in thread and weilding the hammer
2. He was in thread and was SUPER CONTENT in just watching Palmar die
3. He was perfectly capable of flipping Rels but decided to instead let the Palmar lynch pass

Skynx was super under radar when things were great for scum. Skynx only started "playing" (more like "yelling btdt is scum") after the claims happened and scum got under a lot of pressure.

He never chose to answer any questions, and he didn't even consider anyone outside of btdt and thread sentiment targets (i.e. Palmar). There's literally no way this guy is not scum and I have just confirmed him EoD

On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:

looooool
never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him.
Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum.

On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo

That makes me feel good. This makes sense.

On June 20 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:

don't really remember. I know I was his coach in his first scumgame, and he was pretty ballsy, but this is even stronger than I remember him doing.
But look at what I've posted about him and his mindset towards disfo. It makes him town.

On June 21 2017 20:04 Rels wrote:
disfo and BTDT your fight is annoying. You're both probably town. And it looks like you're not getting lynched today. So if you could stop and be nice it would be awesome. p:
yeah I know I might not be the best guy to say that ^^ but it would be good

On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise

On June 28 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:
Palmar didn't convince me at all. On the contrary. Seems like he jumped on the first opportunity he saw, even bending the reality bit when he said "btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread", because:
- after the post he quotes, BTDT had another post where he shows he scumread Koshi some more
- BTD wasn't there at EOD, and when he was there Koshi was the main wagon
I also have the impression he's buddying me while keeping the option to jump on me. That's twice now he said: "First of all, I still like the fact that he recognizes I'm not mafia, that there is no way I play this way as mafia." Implying, if I start to scumread him, this no longer holds.

On June 28 2017 07:54 Rels wrote:
well. BH / Palmar are scum for sure.
BTDT I don't know

On June 28 2017 07:55 Rels wrote:
Always lynch Palmar / BH. Very likely BTDT after all

On June 28 2017 07:59 Rels wrote:
Palmar / BH are 100% scum
Dunno what to think of BTDT, very likely town, or scum afraid of bold switch

On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight