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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 01 2017 17:14 GMT
#6501
he explained his tr on you, but he didnt really follow up on btdt.
could be a timing issue, aka him not being in thread.
progression oges:

On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight

On June 30 2017 00:12 Rels wrote:
Watcher is a stupidly strong role. Even without considering if the checks make sense or not, I don't think tracker + watcher + parity cop ever makes sense. Scum can lose so hard just getting wrecked by checks by those 3 roles.

On June 30 2017 00:15 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
because I expected the kill on VA. There was this jailor talk and when I submitted the check, I didn't know it was bullshit

What changed between then and now ? Why was VA likely blue before and scum now ?

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On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
and my checks weren't horrible. I yelled for a vig shot on Xata because I had a good chance to confirm the vig if only he had shot.

Makes little sense to me over watching a town leader likely to get shot.

On June 30 2017 00:17 Rels wrote:
##Vote beentheredonethat
Don't think you can convince me this makes sense. But let's talk



so he only came back into thread after btdt claimed watcher
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 01 2017 17:52 GMT
#6502
On July 02 2017 02:09 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 23:03 disformation wrote:
rels on btdt:
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic

looooool
never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him.
Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum.

On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo

That makes me feel good. This makes sense.

On June 20 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
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On June 20 2017 22:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
is btdt usually like that? never played with him.

because pushing the fake cop check (aka they make us decide between lynching scum/scum and its suspicious if he stays alive, in addition to him being townie to begin with) is absolutely insane.

That's borderline policy lynch unless that's just his usual

don't really remember. I know I was his coach in his first scumgame, and he was pretty ballsy, but this is even stronger than I remember him doing.
But look at what I've posted about him and his mindset towards disfo. It makes him town.

On June 21 2017 20:04 Rels wrote:
disfo and BTDT your fight is annoying. You're both probably town. And it looks like you're not getting lynched today. So if you could stop and be nice it would be awesome. p:
yeah I know I might not be the best guy to say that ^^ but it would be good

On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise

On June 28 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:
Palmar didn't convince me at all. On the contrary. Seems like he jumped on the first opportunity he saw, even bending the reality bit when he said "btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread", because:
- after the post he quotes, BTDT had another post where he shows he scumread Koshi some more
- BTD wasn't there at EOD, and when he was there Koshi was the main wagon
I also have the impression he's buddying me while keeping the option to jump on me. That's twice now he said: "First of all, I still like the fact that he recognizes I'm not mafia, that there is no way I play this way as mafia." Implying, if I start to scumread him, this no longer holds.

On June 28 2017 07:54 Rels wrote:
well. BH / Palmar are scum for sure.
BTDT I don't know

On June 28 2017 07:55 Rels wrote:
Always lynch Palmar / BH. Very likely BTDT after all

On June 28 2017 07:59 Rels wrote:
Palmar / BH are 100% scum
Dunno what to think of BTDT, very likely town, or scum afraid of bold switch

On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight


hmmm... reads more like wrong town to me. not 100% sure though.

Did he ever follow that last quote up? Rels also had no reaction on when btdt switched on and off him and in the followup aswell, I just find that extremely telling where you can't fake an emotion.


I also noticed this. I think it's a scum tell.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 18:38 GMT
#6503
I am in.a bit of hurry rn. At companys summerparty. Disfo can you check if Rels' skynx read makes sense in reference to these timestamps? I wrote this down yesterday before going to sleep. I should be back before eod but in case i am not for some reason and i die compare this to his new read.
+ Show Spoiler +

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I mean the reasoning, where it came from and if it is between the first and last post it is most likely bullshit.
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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 01 2017 20:03 GMT
#6504
okay let me see.
might take me a bit, but i'll get it done before eon.

note for me: rayns timestamps are a 1h off from mine due to daylight sucking time
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:20 GMT
#6505
Okay i am back, i checked it myself.

Basically Rels calls Skynx "not sure if mafia" in his post [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=266#5317]#5317[/ur]. All the things Rels say make Skynx town in this post:
[spoiler][QUOTE]On June 30 2017 03:02 Rels wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 29 2017 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay disformation shut up on this.

Rels can you give me examples of:
[quote]Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.[/quote]
please[/QUOTE]
For the tone, it's basically the whole shitfight with BTDT, where he is seems much more natural than BTDT.
Thinking about what team makes sense + attacking disfo, it's these posts where he suddenly townreads BTDT when he doesn't need to as scum, then doesn't buddy town leaders:
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 04:08 Skynx wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
[center]Final Vote Count - Day 3[/center]

Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, Grackaroni
Palmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
disformation (0): disformation
Rels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynx
Fecalfeast (0): Tumblewood
Skynx (0): Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (0): Rels
ruXxar (0): Blazinghand
beentheredonethat (0): disformation

Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.[/QUOTE]

Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.


Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.
[/QUOTE]
[bolded]You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:
I disagree strongly with BH on [quote] Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view. [/quote]

In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 06:18 Skynx wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 06:17 disformation wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.[/QUOTE]
why?[/QUOTE]
You've been the town pillar since D1, i expect them to shoot you at some point but they haven't so.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]

..in fact happen before [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523282-tl-mafia-lxxv?page=284#5661]#5661[/url] where he again calls Skynx mafia. Basically he has the reasons to townread Skynx alredy, yet he doesn't do that until btdt's actions make Skynx likely to be town.

I am still on the boat for btdt fucking up and Rels realizing he cannot scumread Skynx anymore and making up reasons (since the reasoning looks very made up from looking at his filter and seeing where he has stood on Skynx) for the read. I mean, if that is the reason for townreading Skynx, why not say "i townread Skynx for this and that" before? Instead he called Skynx possible mafia until btdt's flip. That could also make sense but ONLY in case Rels thinks (at the time his read changes) that btdt is mafia, which he also didn't.

I think it makes him scum.[/quote]
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 01 2017 20:22 GMT
#6506
Can you format that please?
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:23 GMT
#6507
fucking shit ebwop:

Okay i am back, i checked it myself.

Basically Rels calls Skynx "not sure if mafia" in his post #5317. All the things Rels say make Skynx town in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 30 2017 03:02 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2017 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay disformation shut up on this.

Rels can you give me examples of:
Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.

please

For the tone, it's basically the whole shitfight with BTDT, where he is seems much more natural than BTDT.
Thinking about what team makes sense + attacking disfo, it's these posts where he suddenly townreads BTDT when he doesn't need to as scum, then doesn't buddy town leaders:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 04:08 Skynx wrote:
On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:
Final Vote Count - Day 3


Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, Grackaroni
Palmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
disformation (0): disformation
Rels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Skynx
Fecalfeast (0): Tumblewood
Skynx (0): Palmar, Skynx
raynpelikoneet (0): Rels
ruXxar (0): Blazinghand
beentheredonethat (0): disformation

Half the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar.


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.


Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

[bolded]You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 04:41 Skynx wrote:
I disagree strongly with BH on
Remember, during a period of time, SL had flipped and we were trying to reason things out. Scum, we can now reasonably infer, had shot Chez and noticed it failed, and on top of that, that SL who they did not shoot has flipped. Scum doesn't know what happened, what prots if any went on, who shot whom, etc. This was exciting and interesting news for town, and confusing news for scum, what happened with the D1 flip. After the VA claim, scum had a lot more information to work on and probably came out of the woodwork, and after the ES claim, they were safe to operate and make statements with surety about what checks they were opearing against, and to bus/not bus etc. I think scum had every motivation in the world to NOT be posting right after that flip. It would be very risky. So the people who dove into convo with me, FF, Disfo, and Ruxxar, are highly unlikely to be scum in my view.


In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

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On June 27 2017 06:18 Skynx wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:17 disformation wrote:
On June 27 2017 06:11 Skynx wrote:
Fefe i dont like since D1 but cant really put together a case either. He is around and when he talks he makes sense but not in a game solving way if that makes sense.

I'm gona have to filter dive people at some point. Hope Palmar is mafia and not 3P otherwise im pretty lost since now i tr btdt.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

why?

You've been the town pillar since D1, i expect them to shoot you at some point but they haven't so.



..in fact happen after #5317 and before #5661 where he again calls Skynx mafia. Basically he has the reasons to townread Skynx alredy, yet he doesn't do that until btdt's actions make Skynx likely to be town.

I am still on the boat for btdt fucking up and Rels realizing he cannot scumread Skynx anymore and making up reasons (since the reasoning looks very made up from looking at his filter and seeing where he has stood on Skynx) for the read. I mean, if that is the reason for townreading Skynx, why not say "i townread Skynx for this and that" before? Instead he called Skynx possible mafia until btdt's flip. That could also make sense but ONLY in case Rels thinks (at the time his read changes) that btdt is mafia, which he also didn't.

I think it makes him scum.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 01 2017 20:30 GMT
#6508
Yeah Rels is mafia, last one is tough tho...
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:34 GMT
#6509
Probably FF, i don't really think BH is scum - or rather can be scum with Rels.
I am still gonna make this sure and check if what he said about shennies makes sense based on his earlier reads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:39 GMT
#6510
Jesus all the things Rels reads Skynx town for in his post also makes perfect sense for Skynx to post in case btdt is mafia...
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 01 2017 20:42 GMT
#6511
I'm 100% convinced BH is town and believed Palmar improving on EoD cuz i had the same feeling.
Not having doubts on you, disfo, Ruxxar anymore and VA claim seems legit.

Has to be fefe really, I'll try to case him first thing tomorrow.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:50 GMT
#6512
I mean, look at this:
You know what btdt is town, All of the previous day he associated me with Grack, actually believing Grack is mafia and obv ready to lynch me after Grack flips scum. If he's scum he obv knows Grack's gona flip town so this doesn't make sense from his pow. Ofc this is fakeable but just fits more to tunneled bad town imo. Imagine i switched to grack, he's still gona sr me. He's just tunneled for whatever reason and doesn't want to drop his shitty read on me and look bad so comes up with bunch of shade throwing. I'm gona ignore him for now cuz he's irritating.

Skynx townreads btdt for stuff. The stuff isn't even that strong. Rels thinks (still after btdt flip) that this makes Skynx town.

In fact at least 1 scum would prolly pop in and comment on stuff without committing so clearing people this way is not the best idea, especially the first hours of the day where people are discussing mechanics.

How is this insightful? Did Skynx follow this up? I don't see Rels commenting on the follow up or calling it a townie post because this definitely needs a follow up. This post is just saying "scum did most likely this" which anyone can do.

Ruxxar is still very town so fefe/rels as scum on annul makes sense but now 3 votes piled up on rels all of a sudden when previously most ppl whos not rayn was tring him. I like rayn but not yet convinced on rels.

You being alive this late in the game is also not a good sign disfo.

Two things here:
Skynx thinks three people piling up on Rels gives him doubts. Those three people are rayn / ruxxar / Vayneauthority. How is this insightful? Skynx townreads all the people piling up on Rels, yet Rels just townreads him for it??? I see a buddybuddy attempt here tbh.

You've been the town pillar since D1, i expect them to shoot you at some point but they haven't so.

Attacking disfo because he is alive is townie how?
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 01 2017 20:52 GMT
#6513
On July 02 2017 05:42 Skynx wrote:
I'm 100% convinced BH is town and believed Palmar improving on EoD cuz i had the same feeling.
Not having doubts on you, disfo, Ruxxar anymore and VA claim seems legit.

Has to be fefe really, I'll try to case him first thing tomorrow.


I think it's rels + 1.
If rels is town then I think it's BH +1.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:53 GMT
#6514
what are the numbers atm?
we have a mislynch right?
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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 01 2017 20:54 GMT
#6515
On July 02 2017 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
what are the numbers atm?
we have a mislynch right?


1 ML then LYLO
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 20:56 GMT
#6516
okay that's good.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
July 01 2017 20:58 GMT
#6517
Wedding is on, guys. I'll be phone only for about 24h. I think we got this wrapped up
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 21:02 GMT
#6518
On July 02 2017 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Wedding is on, guys. I'll be phone only for about 24h. I think we got this wrapped up

post a pic to confirm
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 21:02 GMT
#6519
or fake one, it would be even funnier :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 01 2017 21:04 GMT
#6520
On July 02 2017 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On July 02 2017 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Wedding is on, guys. I'll be phone only for about 24h. I think we got this wrapped up

post a pic to confirm

It needs to have you, todays newspaper and the bride, preferrably some bridesmades too.
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