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On July 01 2017 02:24 disformation wrote:okay cupcakes lets cake some cups
Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:48 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote:
well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum.
first he tried to get me to tilt.
then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me.
i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him.
because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle.
in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard.
though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game. yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched. This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference. what is that to be supposed to then: Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 17:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
really take your salty comments and take them to a location where nobody cares about them because I am sick of people having 50 pages of filter yet having contributed nothing of value expect confirming themselves as town
and with "people" I mean you esp. after i mentioned earlier this game that i absolutely hate ppl saying i did nothing.
Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
In the meantime, while you do the main work pushing me, people like rayn get away with a super cheap vote on me. People like BH get away with planned shennanies that are clearly scum-indicative. Rels gets away with being a super close counter wagon to town, just like the Xata and Annul wagons D1. VA gets away with 4 pages of filter. He has contributed 4 pages to thus far 322 pages of game, his claim is clearly a fake and disformation's talk points heavily to him TMI'ing.
I didn't know about the Star Wars game so it's entirely possible that disfo is town, after all. I gotta admit that besides VA, I am not sure about anyone anymore. Maybe the correct approach to this game is to fully reset after I flipped. Completely reset, go back through my filter, read my checks, and see if you get any intel out of them. Town has been wrong ever since Xata flipped.
We should ask questions like
- Who didn't care at all about the Grack lynch? Who let it happen?
- Who disappears for the majority of time and only comes back when it's somewhat needed to push the threads slightly into a certain direction?
Like, don't go for "this is scummy" anymore and then chop up the specific situation until everyone is raged. Instead, re-read the game. Go back to Grack flip, read the day from then on. Maybe even earlier. Maybe Ruxxar didn't "bait scum" like he claimed when he unvoted Xata. Maybe he tried to not vote scum and in case he would've gained traction, he could've saved scum RB.
There are lots and lots of hints in this game. Maybe even in Tumblewood's filter.
Use them. nice adise. i think you had more good advise today: Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself? cause so far today you have spent nearly all time yelling at people, insulting people, faking a claim, appealing to emotion a bit and dropped all reads today. well, beside me and va.
You said a few times that i am not willing to reconsider and stuff. but wait what is this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 00:13 disformation wrote:
unvoting for a second.
need to think and then i proceeded to look at the setup and at your claimed actions and came to the realization that you are 100% fake claiming.
which brings me to the setup you are claiming: Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 01:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
[...]
* Watcher
* Parity Cop
* Town Tracker
* Veteran
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now let me put out my hosting balance notes, again: Show nested quote +How to Balance 101 - the Palmar way (confirmations/number of days)
Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.
Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2.
Delayed checks (like gunsmith over a vig, or a parity DT) can help with this if you want to multiply inv roles.
Make sure the number of EVs doesn't exceed 20 percent.
(4 against 19 town is 21% for this game but this is still not really bad).
EVs (or negative EVs) are passive roles such as godfather (untrackable/check immune), ninja (untrackable but still returns red), wanderer, miller.
For a given number of blues, you need to consider adding either a mafia rolecop to eliminate the sheer threat of blue roles or an anti-blue claim mechanism (such as a factional strongman, soup kills, etc). Consider whether there is a tracker before you decide on the mechanism. You can also allow such mechanisms to happen during the day.
(there's more to this, but we takled about a lot) in btdt's world we have: parity cop tracker watcher so in the mechanical worst case for scum: n1: watcher finds 1st scum tracker finds 2nd scum n2: watcher finds 3rd scum tracker finds 4th scum parity cop finds 5th scum all 5 scum found start of d3. Show nested quote +Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.
Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2. so unless 1eg and hats made an unbalance game on purpose, it is impossible for btdt to be a watcher. i also got these very notes from hats and i find it unlikely she would put on a setup like that.
i conclude you are scum that tried to get out of pressure by fake claiming and messed up hard. and i dont see any reason to vote anyone else.
I think we can absolutely agree that my play hasn't been the most polite of all. But when shit catches fire, that's how I react. I do prefer the aggressiveness way over passive play, and you need to acknowledge that the last time I raged as scum, it was genuine rage and I quit the game for quite some time. I absolutely don't rage as scum. On the contrary, I tend to be lurky as scum, I'm not a game driver by any means.
As town however, I'm super careless because 1) that is a town trait, 2) I don't need to fear any investigation night or day, 3) having "wrong" reads is completely okay, I am allowed to do that and only scum has perfect information.
So it is super frustrating for me to get scumread for things and moves that I deem to be super good, especially (and yes, partially that's my own fault) if it happens in a harsh way. Like Skynx saying I'm town by saying "wow this is so fucked up so stupid this cannot possibly come from scum", same was expressed by ruxxar(? or rayn?, don't recall exactly).
I think I yell at you, disfo, because I expected you as the most active person in this game to either agree with me or at least put up a reasonable discussion about what is happening.
Regarding the setup speculations and the host notes that you're putting up: when it comes to balance, there are super different opinions around. I sent my setups for Generic II to Kitaman and Foolishness for balance approval and I received different answers. Then, it's entirely possible for Onegu to have a setup and HtS nodding to that with maybe some adjustions - but you cannot possibly know which adjustions were taken.
If you boil it down to "The setup you say it is, btdt, is not a setup I believe in", then you need to realize that you are biased in your decision and your opinion is preformed. Your following someone who is a) not in the game b) has no possibility to confirm/deny what you assume and c) it is potentially outdated. You don't even know what "large" exactly is defined at, a large game can be anything outside of the 13 player mini setup up to the 123213players, I don't know the maximum.
My setup is not only balanced, it also explains why we had a sicklucker flip. It all matches, the pieces go together flawlessly: the rolecop, the strongman, the claim, it's 100% the world we live in.
The hardest question for me right now is if disfo is indeed the scum I think he is for the TMI or if he is indeed the town I want him to be for sheer efforts.
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On July 01 2017 03:13 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff That's my understanding of Strongman. On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff This is what I got from mafia wiki: Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider. Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP. From the same source: "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered. Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet. QED -> Strongman additional KP. "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP. In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in. In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp. Show nested quote +In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp. I find this very unlikely.
But why is this very unlikely? It is exactly the world that brings us to the situation we're in, KP wise, and it also explains why the majority of wagons was pretty clearly on town and the majority of discussions never had a clear target. Town revolving all around itself with scum only executing drive-by posts if need be and besides that, leaning back and laughing heavily.
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"Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.
Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2."
In a world with Watcher, Tracker, Parity Cop as investigatives, can you please show me how the worst case scenario would confirm the 5 player scum team?
I'll try on my own:
The parity cop needs a flip to confirm a player. So his target N1 is town, N2 is scum, and the target N1 dies D2.
That means 1 lynch is on town to confirm one scum.
That means the lynch D1 must be on scum.
1 scum confirmed D1 by lynch.
1 scum confirmed D2 by Parity Cop
1 scum confirmed N1 by Watcher OR Tracker (KP carry)
1 scum confirmed N2 by Watcher OR Tracker (KP carry)
1 scum confirmed D2 by lynch.
That would be 5 confirmed scum within 2 days, if
* town would use both lynches to guess into people INSTEAD OF lynching confirmed scum
* tracker and watcher would hit either the KP target twice in a row OR the KP carrier twice in a row
* tracker and watcher dodge wanderer, parity cop dodges miller AND.. wait, parity cop NEEDS a town flipped to actually confirm scum alignment
so how are people confirmed that fast?
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Wait it's even assuming 2 mislynches. My head hurts, so disfo you gotta help me out regarding the confirmation scheme.
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Guys, please don't overuse oneliners now. Take a step back, think about it, and if all you have left to say is "lynch btdt", then please at least keep in mind what I said because it's super valuable once my role is confirmed.
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scum has 2 kp.
scummer a,b,c,d,e
n1
scummer a shoots onegu
tracker tracks scummer a. onegu dies.
scummer b shoots hats.
watcher watches hats. hats dies.
parity cop checks ultra town player artanis.
2 scummer down.
n2
scummer c shoots ritoky,
tracker tracks scummer c. ritoky dies.
scummer d shoots kitaman.
watcher watches kitaman. kitaman dies.
parity cop checks scummy lurker e. receives "not same".
5 scummers down.
like even if they ml artanis first, the scummers are all accounted for.
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ahh double kp allows double invests, didn't take that into account. I can see where you're coming from, that makes sense.
That makes you town but doesn't change the fact I'm watcher :/
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On July 01 2017 03:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 03:13 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff That's my understanding of Strongman. On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?
I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff This is what I got from mafia wiki: Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider. Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP. From the same source: "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered. Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet. QED -> Strongman additional KP. "Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game." It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP. In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in. In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp. In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp. I find this very unlikely. But why is this very unlikely? It is exactly the world that brings us to the situation we're in, KP wise, and it also explains why the majority of wagons was pretty clearly on town and the majority of discussions never had a clear target. Town revolving all around itself with scum only executing drive-by posts if need be and besides that, leaning back and laughing heavily.
Unlikely because:
1) Having a vigi is way more likely than a mafia one-shot strongarm vigi. (I'm sure statistics back me up here).
2) You are assuming that they strongarmed SL. This is flawed because:
- If they are afraid that SL is a veteran, they could just wait for him to get lynched next day.
- There was no reason to believe that SL would be protected by any town roles, everyone wanted to lynch him.
- If they are afraid that SL is an investigative role(like a cop) then they could simply NK him without strongarm.
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I will continue reading tomorrow when the distraction is cleared.
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PSA:
I will be at the cinema at EOD, so I won't be be here.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
I'm happy with this lynch and have seen nothing to change my mind.
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Okay. So at this point, I don't see anything happen besides my lynch.
I'm also offline now, going to sleep.
So my last words basically are:
I want to wholeheartedly apologize for all the toxicity, insults and what not I did in this game. I am seriously sorry for that.
GG's
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Final Vote Count - Day 6
beentheredonethat (7): raynpelikoneet, Skynx, disformation, Rels, disformation, Blazinghand, Fecalfeast, ruXxar
Rels (1): Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority
VayneAuthority (1): beentheredonethat
Blazinghand (0): ruXxar
Skynx (0): beentheredonethat
Not voted (0):
Half the Sky is will boot beentheredonethat out of her whiskey bar.
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Night 6![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OZ2lxUR.jpg?1)
The sun was gorgeous as I strolled along the river. I was on a week in Germany and I was doing what I could to enjoy the weather. In the park, I saw a man drinking beer. It was someone I recognised almost instantly.
"Ah, guten Tag, Lucien! Wie geht's? Was machst du gerade?"
Lucien, however, appeared to be out of hearing range. As I walked up to him, I noticed he was looking to handle one of the many massive ducks near the pond. It was then I realised he'd drank too much beer.
"Lucien! Hast du zu viel Bier getrunken? Warum?"
He turned around. "Keine Problem. Es geht, alles gut." Except he didn't sound too convincing that all was right, I looked him squarely in the eye and he was just a bit intoxicated. And in that moment I had to take a phone call.
There was one duck in particular he was eyeing. Completely still, not a care in the world, completely oblivious to the smell of beer and the invasion of space.
Or was it?
Lucien picked up the duck just as I hung up.
"Achtung! Diese Enten sind grueslig!" I tried to warn him. No really, the ducks were so massive, they may as well have been mutant ducks, and he was beyond insane to even try picking one up.
"Sie sind sehr groß and DU BIST WAHNSINNIG!!!!!"
The duck looked at him squarely before squawking uncontrollably, but clearly he didn't care. He tried to grasp it to calm him down but the move backfired as more ducks on the river descended onto him and - seemingly out of nowhere - started attacking him.
He started to scream, running in circles but the ducks were relentless, jabbing everywhere his body; finally realising half his hair was gone, he screamed a slew of expletives.
"SCHEISS ENTEN!!!! Schmor in der Hölle!!!"
"WAHNSINNIG!" I yelled as the ducks started chasing me. "WARUM!?!?!??" Lucien was not only drunk, he was crazy, and I couldn't even look back as I bailed.
A few metres away a few children started making fun of us relentlessly.
"VOLLIDIOTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!" they jeered.
beentheredonethat (Mafia Vanilla) was picked apart by killer ducks.
It is now night time. Night 6 ends in 24 hours at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown to daypost:
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
nice! though I can't say I'm surprised. let's wrap this up tomorrow with Rels.
I'll be low post volume during most of the day on Saturday
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no fake claims in my town. 
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also i realize that trying to rile ppl up and stuff is a valid mafia strat.
was just fairly annoying to play against, would like you to tone it down a bit next time.
you also kinda overdid it earlier this dayphase and that pushed me from 75% scum 25% pants on head town to 100% scum. though that was before the claim.
though you also managed to completely crap up the thread for today so there is that.
next time ill just lynch you if you are toxic as hell. xD
so i guess apology accepted.
i should have a bunch of time tomorrow so i am planning on doing a big rounds of filters.
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also @ the scum team.
next time i tell you to shoot me, you shoot me. =p
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also sry at palmar for not listening to you last day phase.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Yeah it was super unpleasant the entirety of this day phase with this "strat" from BTDT. just didn't feel like dealing with that and it sure as heck wasn't convincing
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