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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 16:54 GMT
#6441
On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker?

Yeah but I agree it's no must

On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5

Strongman = additional KP, not a role

On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.

If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?

Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.

Why didn't you push VA earlier?

I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 16:55 GMT
#6442
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 16:59 GMT
#6443
On July 01 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course.


Can you explain why VA can't simply be the vigi?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 17:15 GMT
#6444
On July 01 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker?

Yeah but I agree it's no must

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5

Strongman = additional KP, not a role

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.

If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?

Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.

Why didn't you push VA earlier?

I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip.


Wouldn't you say it makes less sense to have 2 "tracker roles" than a vigi and a tracker role?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 30 2017 17:22 GMT
#6445
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 30 2017 17:23 GMT
#6446
This stuff*

Fat thumbs are bad for typing
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 30 2017 17:24 GMT
#6447
okay cupcakes
lets cake some cups


On July 01 2017 00:48 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 00:45 disformation wrote:
well there was this one themed game. disfo town. btdt scum.

first he tried to get me to tilt.
then later send me a msg (via game mechanic) and claims cop with a green check on me to me.
i cover for him with a lie about the message when some townies were looking angrily at him.
because of the lie he thinks the hosts screwed over his plan with that message and ragequits for a cycle.

in the end he won for bussing a team mate very hard.


though he also fake claimed a cop with a fake red check as vt in a newbie game.

yep, that last part got the doc and me lynched.

This is not really what happened. I averted those townies on my own and I didn't have too much specific pressure on me. You were just buying it all day and night long and never believed I was scum. As I said in the beginning of the game, it's super easy to pocket you and the fact that I raged all game long in your direction should be a huge towntell to you. Especially since I'm not tilting you. We're kinda grinding against each other until we (mainly I) explode. That's a huge difference.


what is that to be supposed to then:
On June 28 2017 17:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
really take your salty comments and take them to a location where nobody cares about them because I am sick of people having 50 pages of filter yet having contributed nothing of value expect confirming themselves as town

and with "people" I mean you

esp. after i mentioned earlier this game that i absolutely hate ppl saying i did nothing.


On July 01 2017 00:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
In the meantime, while you do the main work pushing me, people like rayn get away with a super cheap vote on me. People like BH get away with planned shennanies that are clearly scum-indicative. Rels gets away with being a super close counter wagon to town, just like the Xata and Annul wagons D1. VA gets away with 4 pages of filter. He has contributed 4 pages to thus far 322 pages of game, his claim is clearly a fake and disformation's talk points heavily to him TMI'ing.

I didn't know about the Star Wars game so it's entirely possible that disfo is town, after all. I gotta admit that besides VA, I am not sure about anyone anymore. Maybe the correct approach to this game is to fully reset after I flipped. Completely reset, go back through my filter, read my checks, and see if you get any intel out of them. Town has been wrong ever since Xata flipped.

We should ask questions like
- Who didn't care at all about the Grack lynch? Who let it happen?
- Who disappears for the majority of time and only comes back when it's somewhat needed to push the threads slightly into a certain direction?

Like, don't go for "this is scummy" anymore and then chop up the specific situation until everyone is raged. Instead, re-read the game. Go back to Grack flip, read the day from then on. Maybe even earlier. Maybe Ruxxar didn't "bait scum" like he claimed when he unvoted Xata. Maybe he tried to not vote scum and in case he would've gained traction, he could've saved scum RB.

There are lots and lots of hints in this game. Maybe even in Tumblewood's filter.

Use them.

nice adise. i think you had more good advise today:
On July 01 2017 00:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
can you just put in the fucking work by yourself?

cause so far today you have spent nearly all time yelling at people, insulting people, faking a claim, appealing to emotion a bit and dropped all reads today. well, beside me and va.


You said a few times that i am not willing to reconsider and stuff.
but wait what is this:
On June 30 2017 00:13 disformation wrote:
unvoting for a second.
need to think

and then i proceeded to look at the setup and at your claimed actions and came to the realization that you are 100% fake claiming.


which brings me to the setup you are claiming:
On July 01 2017 01:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
[...]
* Watcher
* Parity Cop
* Town Tracker
* Veteran
[...]

now let me put out my hosting balance notes, again:
How to Balance 101 - the Palmar way (confirmations/number of days)

Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.

Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2.
Delayed checks (like gunsmith over a vig, or a parity DT) can help with this if you want to multiply inv roles.

Make sure the number of EVs doesn't exceed 20 percent.

(4 against 19 town is 21% for this game but this is still not really bad).

EVs (or negative EVs) are passive roles such as godfather (untrackable/check immune), ninja (untrackable but still returns red), wanderer, miller.

For a given number of blues, you need to consider adding either a mafia rolecop to eliminate the sheer threat of blue roles or an anti-blue claim mechanism (such as a factional strongman, soup kills, etc). Consider whether there is a tracker before you decide on the mechanism. You can also allow such mechanisms to happen during the day.

(there's more to this, but we takled about a lot)



in btdt's world we have:
parity cop
tracker
watcher

so in the mechanical worst case for scum:
n1:
watcher finds 1st scum
tracker finds 2nd scum
n2:
watcher finds 3rd scum
tracker finds 4th scum
parity cop finds 5th scum

all 5 scum found start of d3.
Count your invs (DT of any kind, vig, town RB/banisher/JK, tracker, watcher) versus the number of mafia.

Make sure in a worst case scenario, the entire mafia team cannot get confirmed the first night (for a 3-player scumteam) or the first two nights (for a 5-player scumteam assuming a mislynch day 1 and 2.


so unless 1eg and hats made an unbalance game on purpose, it is impossible for btdt to be a watcher. i also got these very notes from hats and i find it unlikely she would put on a setup like that.


i conclude you are scum that tried to get out of pressure by fake claiming and messed up hard.
and i dont see any reason to vote anyone else.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 17:27 GMT
#6448
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 30 2017 17:31 GMT
#6449
So why is it a strongman and not a scum vig btdt? In your world you haven't even considered that
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 17:56 GMT
#6450
On July 01 2017 01:59 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also I had lost complete track of everyone besides Skynx. I was super sure Skynx was scum so I didn't even consider others being scum besides Palmar of course.


Can you explain why VA can't simply be the vigi?

Because

Watcher
Tracker
Vet
Vig
Parity Cop

Would be imbalanced.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 17:57 GMT
#6451
On July 01 2017 02:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
So why is it a strongman and not a scum vig btdt? In your world you haven't even considered that

That's a good point

I'm mainly in the strongman world because disfo is all over it and I think it's a TMI slip

scum vig would make total sense, with the chance of a scum tracker to find potential vig targets faster?

the double KP is what I don't understand in the equation yet
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 17:58 GMT
#6452
On July 01 2017 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 01:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Are you seriously still using the bunk logic that the host slipped by saying town tracker?

Yeah but I agree it's no must

On July 01 2017 01:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
You're also.claiming that there are 6 mafia since you added the strongman after your list of 5

Strongman = additional KP, not a role

On July 01 2017 01:49 ruXxar wrote:
Another thing.

If you were so sure that VA is mafia, why didn't you push him as scum before you claimed watcher?
Why wait until you claimed watcher to start pushing VA?

Suddenly after you claim you are 100% super sure that VA fake claimed.
But you had that exact same information the moment that Chez flipped as veteran.

Why didn't you push VA earlier?

I only realized today that this was a possibility. And since I'm Watcher, an ADDITIONAL blue doesn't make sense, so his claim must be fake since ES is confirmed by flip.


Wouldn't you say it makes less sense to have 2 "tracker roles" than a vigi and a tracker role?

I think that's what the wanderer is in for, and maybe we have more than one wanderer. Makes the game more swingy I guess but it's definitely possible.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:01 GMT
#6453
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:03 GMT
#6454
And actually that explains the additional KP. three investigatives distributed over like 17 players, with a pool of 22, with 2(-4?) targets that can be misleading.

"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:05 GMT
#6455
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:08 GMT
#6456
On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.

In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in.
In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:08 GMT
#6457
And I do not believe in a world where VA is Vig, a Watcher, a Tracker and a Parity cop is in. That means: VA is scum.

If you do not believe me here, no problem, as long as you lynch VA with fire after I flip blue.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:10 GMT
#6458
(and disfo for the TMI because without him, I wouldn't be speculating about a strongman here)
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 30 2017 18:12 GMT
#6459
Seriously, guys. Lynch VA. Lynch disformation. This is the go-to solution to this game.

If you lynch me, you'll be in lylo with like one mislynch left? or none even? and you still got people like Rels on the list whose alignment is by far not clear. And even disformation isn't locked scum once I flip (although chances are pretty high).
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 30 2017 18:13 GMT
#6460
On July 01 2017 03:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 03:05 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 03:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff

That's my understanding of Strongman.

On July 01 2017 02:27 ruXxar wrote:
On July 01 2017 02:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Where are you getting that the strongman is an additional kp not a role?

I'm not making any sense of thisnl stuff


This is what I got from mafia wiki:

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

Nowhere does it say that gives the player additional KP.


From the same source:

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It makes perfect sense that scum has one additional KP to get rid of a blue role they discovered.
Thing is: if Strongman is not additional KP, then VA's claim is the only explanation for having a KP every night AND Chez flipping Vet.

QED -> Strongman additional KP.


"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game."

It means that you have the strongman ability for 1 kill, not that you get 1 KP.

In a world where VA is the real vig, no strongarm is in.
In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


In a world where VA is a fake claim, a strongarm is in and it is an additional KP because it is literally the only explanation for Chez flipping vet AND every night having exactly one death after the initial two nights with double kp.


I find this very unlikely.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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