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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:04 GMT
#2401
claimed*
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2402
On June 18 2017 07:02 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:56 beentheredonethat wrote:
There won't be a cc hopefully. There'll simply be a red check on disformation and a scum guy lynched.

And if not, we lynch Xata. If the cop cc's, he's probably dead. Cop shouldn't cc here. But I always prefer lynching the check over the claim.

"If disfo is scum we can always lynch him later."
No? This is so wrong.



It's not wrong.
if disfo is lock scum, we can just leave him for last while we take out the others.

You're leaving scum alive who potentially is a scum power role AND who can vote AND who can derail the thread?

cool bra
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2403
On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.


I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem.
Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do.
Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle.

If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2404
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:05 GMT
#2405
On June 16 2017 20:26 Palmar wrote:
I'm just playing single player mafia mostly. Occasionally clicking filters, ignoring the thread, throwing out some opinions.

Life is good.

I'll try to maybe make my statement posts a bit more detailed when I cba.

3p


(this was my best Holyflare impression)
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:06 GMT
#2406
On June 18 2017 07:05 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.


I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem.
Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do.
Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle.

If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings.

If Mr. Sicklucker is the scum leader then I am not very concerned. No offense.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#2407
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#2408
On June 18 2017 07:06 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:05 ruXxar wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:54 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 06:29 ruXxar wrote:
SL is like a 80% chance of being mafia.
While xatalos / disfo is like a 50/50.

I rather go for the safer option.

Lynching outside the 2 is 100 % the wrong play. Yes, it is sad that the day will be a little less productive but if you do not resolve this issue now then you are only postponing it.
Personally I have to say that this development is really convenient. I apparently caught a cold and it is annoyingly hard to concentrate on this (still not caught up). So everything that makes this day easier or gives me an excuse not to care that much is very welcome.


I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna go for a 50/50 when I know that SL is very likely scum and is gonna be a problem.
Hes almost certainly the scum leader, instructing them on what to do.
Just look how he setup the wagon on annul last cycle.

If we take out the scum leader, the rest are easy pickings.

If Mr. Sicklucker is the scum leader then I am not very concerned. No offense.


Well I don't know about you, but to his credit he actually managed to get town lynched.
So theres that...
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#2409
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:09 GMT
#2410
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:11 GMT
#2411
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 22:12 GMT
#2412
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)


Hmm, you kinda have a point here actually.
I didn't think about it that way.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:16 GMT
#2413
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:17 GMT
#2414
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:18 GMT
#2415
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.

Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target.
As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 22:18 GMT
#2416
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.


I'm convinced.

##vote disfo
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Chezitwo
Profile Joined January 2015
United States553 Posts
June 17 2017 22:19 GMT
#2417
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:19 GMT
#2418
here's how it's going to go: people will lynch xata in spite of me saying "hey, guys, un-cc'ed blue". Then, he will flip blue, and people will scumread me for defending xata, potentially tmi'ing here. disformation will be lynched next day and will flip red.

cool shit

but dead cop d'oh
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 17 2017 22:19 GMT
#2419
On June 18 2017 07:18 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:09 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:05 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
the correct play here is to lynch xatalos especially after that cop claim

I just come from a game where a cop claim happened and people lynched into the cop (who was VT but that's kinda missing the point)

how is the correct play in claim situation to lynch the unclaimed guy

The correct play is to evaluate who the scummier one is instead of blindly lynching the check.

1. Mafia is a guessing game.
2. Mislynches happen super often
3. The moment a claim happens, it's the last way for the lynchee to avert his lynch

So
a) lynch cop
b) lynch check, most likely lose a vt, real cop survives


not sure how "lynch cop" is the better option here

Where is the difference between losing a VT and an outed cop?

An outed cop can be protected at night, is a confirmed town and an enforced mafia target.

A vt is a vt.

Think about it with a little more effort. If we lynch Xatalos and he is mafia then disfo is also basically confirmed town, can be protected and is an enforced mafia target.
As long as scum has a roleblocker (which is very likely) there is 0 difference.


Scum has a role blocker? Slip?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
June 17 2017 22:20 GMT
#2420
On June 18 2017 07:19 Chezitwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2017 07:17 beentheredonethat wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:11 Chezitwo wrote:
On June 18 2017 07:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
this is 1:1 the discussion I had in NSM, where Vivax claimed cop and everyone lynched vivax who in the end flipped town, surprise surprise (VT, but that doesn't really matter here)

This anecdotal evidence is not very convincing.

One day I'll understand why "lynch the cop" is better than "lynch the red-check"

one day

It isn't. But you need to consider the circumstances and this claim is incredibly fishy.

Why would mafia claim when there are like 5 votes on him? now it's more due to the claim and apparently everybody's fine with it.

if everybody's fine with something, it's probably scum.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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