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i think hf isn't mafia for a couple reasons:
1) he was phone posting at the wedding. this is shitty reasoning, but i got the sense he was so frustrated with rolling mafia that he would have just afk'd through the wedding had he rolled it again.
2) his reaction to one of tube's posts about conv and pb was pretty much identical to my reaction to it.
3) he is pushing LS in a way that doesn't feel like he is pocketing LS or is in a QT with LS
4) he hasn't talked about me much/given reads on me formally, which is how he tends to act toward me as town on day 1
5) he is defending BH, who i feel hf values as one of the few players on the player list with game-solving potential if he tries. as mafia i think he would be content to let BH just die.
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Let's look at two differing worlds here.
Tumblewood - "BH is definitely town because I read his meta and it's clear to me that he's doing more things than his usual scum game!"
Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"
Now, I'll tell you for free that BH's meta is regardless of alignment to make an RNG post, push his RNG lynch and gain nothing from it till potentially end of day, but more likely the next cycle. Vivax knows this, TW probably does not.
So why is Vivax making it out like BH is scum for doing something he never does? Because it's a chance for a mislynch.
Why is Tumblewood, king of TMI as mafia, pushing that this is definitely BH's town meta despite it being the same as each of his games as either alignment?
I'll give you a hint, it's because they are both mafia trying to achieve different things and cocking it up with inaccurate meta. Vivax, pushing the afkers and mislynchables, TW using tmi to defend 90% of the game.
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On June 05 2017 04:49 Conversion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.
3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.
4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else.
Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? Every post before today has been on my phone.
can you quote to me the posts you've made this game not on a phone?
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oh I misread that
I think BTDT might be onto something after all :D
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On June 05 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
Let's look at two differing worlds here.
Tumblewood - "BH is definitely town because I read his meta and it's clear to me that he's doing more things than his usual scum game!"
Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"
Now, I'll tell you for free that BH's meta is regardless of alignment to make an RNG post, push his RNG lynch and gain nothing from it till potentially end of day, but more likely the next cycle. Vivax knows this, TW probably does not.
So why is Vivax making it out like BH is scum for doing something he never does? Because it's a chance for a mislynch.
Why is Tumblewood, king of TMI as mafia, pushing that this is definitely BH's town meta despite it being the same as each of his games as either alignment?
I'll give you a hint, it's because they are both mafia trying to achieve different things and cocking it up with inaccurate meta. Vivax, pushing the afkers and mislynchables, TW using tmi to defend 90% of the game.
Endorsed
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On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:
Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.
If I snip out the other fluff. This is what it boils down to.
1) PB doesn't realize that BHs post is just stand up comedy when he's trying to catch people from talking about his RNG. Doesn't matter if BH is right about Grack, he's never going to get lynched off that argument.
2) PB writes a huge amount of text to explain the obvious meaning he should understand (1) and still doesn't conclude that BH isn't doing anything although he should be doing something if town. What he does instead is pretend that BH is a newbie and that he actually believes his own arguments on Grack which is completely reaching.
3) He relies on his a-priori bad read "Ive seen town play like BH but not scum, ergo BH must be town" already. The follow up is just a completely contrived way of saying he doesn't agree with him on Grack, and after writing all this contrived thing he states that it is another reason to TR BH altough he already decided that BH is town anyway, so that defeats the point.
TL;DR: PBs post is a scummy pile of drivel where he just gives really shallow opinions as a reaction to the wagon on BH and attaches conclusions to them afterwards to justify the drivel he just wrote.
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On June 05 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax - "BH is mafia because he's doing nothing and he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't!"
Pretty good argument thanks for summing it up.
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Blazinghand
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Shiit I was a fool to ever doubt the power of RNG, ©, a method that has literally never failed
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vivax, do you think TW is town?
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I don't think BH's argument is stand up comedy at all. In fact I think he is quite serious. So if I am to think that then a newbie who has never been in a BH game is more than equally capable.
so point 1) is refuted by him being new and taking things at face value
point 2) is refuted because PB is verbose in his posting and that this post is a follow up to BH's spree of wanting to lynch Grack after being caught out - which is BH "doing something"
bad post
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Blazinghand
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I'm quasi here via phone for an hour ish then I'll be here via computer
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On June 05 2017 05:00 ritoky wrote:
vivax, do you think TW is town?
2 pages of filter ritoky
On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Like I don't even care if BH does end up being mafia. Why waste your time even talking about him? He's pretty much a coin flip.
Why not Tumblewood who declared BH town based on meta straight away? Who has also town read Grack (who has still done nothing) and has also tried to retroactively justify his grack town read? Who said Tubesock's posts were bad and got the joke after it was explained but still berated him even though he called him town.
Why not fidei who has reads that contradict anything he should be thinking? Who put myself and Tumblewood in the same scummy pile but then realised he didn't actually acknowledge anything I had said and pleaded ignorance after the fact. While pushing the guy I wanted to lynch with my same reasoning.
Why not like 60% of this game really? Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia. Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town. And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available.
On June 05 2017 03:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 03:49 Tubesock wrote:On June 05 2017 03:43 Vivax wrote:On June 05 2017 03:37 Holyflare wrote:
Like I don't even care if BH does end up being mafia. Why waste your time even talking about him? He's pretty much a coin flip.
Why not Tumblewood who declared BH town based on meta straight away? Who has also town read Grack (who has still done nothing) and has also tried to retroactively justify his grack town read? Who said Tubesock's posts were bad and got the joke after it was explained but still berated him even though he called him town.
Why not fidei who has reads that contradict anything he should be thinking? Who put myself and Tumblewood in the same scummy pile but then realised he didn't actually acknowledge anything I had said and pleaded ignorance after the fact. While pushing the guy I wanted to lynch with my same reasoning.
Why not like 60% of this game really? Cause fidei had an opinion that somehow was different than mine and ritoky at points, whom I also TR. And having a weird/different opinion doesn't make people mafia. Cause Tumble I think is town this game since he doesn't just try to get along with everyone while his tone suggests town. And lynch BH cause he didn't take the opportunity to display a desire to solve the game when he had the content available He is trying to get along. Or at least avoid confrontation. The meta read on BH is total bullshit. And towning me for being bad is also bullshit. So basically when nothing was going on in the thread and you drop a joke, mafia tumble randomly decided to push scum on you and then call you town? Doesn't quite compute. It's much simpler: He didn't realize it was a joke post. It got him worked up that you were lying/talking nonsense in his eyes and he started moaning about it, but then realized he dun goofed, realized his argument was nonsense and walked away in shame. He could have simply, y'know, done nothing? Be lazy?
On June 05 2017 04:49 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2017 04:01 Vivax wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can take BHs push on Grack seriously, it was obviously just a stand up comedy, although the argument itself is correct (that Grack actually wasn't oblivious to how BH calculates his RNG).
I'm currently inclined to flip my reads on Grack (to town) and HF (to scum) Vivax talk me through this?
Which part? The reason I flipped my read on Grack is in my filter and ritoky I think already asked about it. The reason HF is scum is that he defends a BH blatantly doing nothing to solve the game calling him a coinflip although he was actively useless and pushes TW and generally tries to block me from hunting mafia.
The reason BHs push on Grack is stand up comedy is that no sane person can realistically expect an experienced player like BH to believe that his argument is going to get Grack lynched cause there's no benefit for Grack as mafia to consciously lie about not knowing how the random number is determined.
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HF do you still want those quotes? I don't get it.
I can point out three posts where I have made typos that are uncharacteristic of me when I am in front of a computer (I don't really need to get into my personality here, but BTDT is making an argument about my characteristics in typing on a phone vs. a computer..)
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On June 04 2017 08:48 Conversion wrote:
adding to prev post:
yet btdt and fidei are readily pressuring me either for explaining my situation, or calling me scummy by making conclusions from my post that I can't really see from rereading my post
I think this is a PC post and it's day 1.
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Ritoky why is PB town? You only mentioned him being less definitive and ended up TRing him, is that all there is to it? So far you're avoiding to talk about him when I try to stir up discussion about him
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Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task.
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and pushes TW and generally tries to block me from hunting mafia.
This is about HF, not BH btw.
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ALso TW a really really easy task for you too:
link the games that you read that show BH is doing more stuff than his mafia games here please
also explain the things that Grack said that made you mindmeld, you posted one quote of him explaining your own post which is NOT mindmeld
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On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.
Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.
That's a really really really simple task.
No I'm not getting pushed into arguing through association just cause you want it.
My arguments for either of you being mafia are to be treated as your alignments being independent from each other.
The reason you're mafia is that you are just trying to be in my way when I'm obviously town and trying to direct the attention to something else.
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but TW's top town read is BH....and his lynch list is HF cuz of omgus, LS for being LS/omgus, and onegu for being low hanging fruit. he didn't even respond to any of 1gu's post which actually had a gem in it:
On June 04 2017 16:13 Onegu wrote:
Grack leaves out Fword dude in his list post. But Fword dude has posted much and grack should have a opinion on him but doesnt...
idk i just feel like TW is super peripheral this game. he doesn't engage with what is actually goes on, stays floating on the edges and doesn't take a stand for very much since he got burned right away. don't really think first 30 min vibes paint over the rest of his day phase.
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