EPTNewbie Student Mafia XXVI - Page 22
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beentheredonethat
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beentheredonethat
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1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter  ( | ||
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Vivax
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this. 3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do. 4. You haven't mentioned him since. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:27 Vivax wrote: To explain: RItoky last game (generic II) we had a lynch day where we were deciding between HF and Palmar. Scum HF went out of his way hard defending Palmar and trying to lynch LS and SL instead (both town) and that ended up in a foreseeable HF lynch for him. So he basically voluntarily traded himself in resulting in Palmar getting lynched the next day although the outcome would have been the exact same if he didn't. It just made sure we REALLY lynched Palmar cause HF made it look like he was trying to win the game on the spot for both of them. wasn't palmar green checked and right all game....that shit was a travesty | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote: 1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches. 2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this. 3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do. 4. You haven't mentioned him since. 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote: It's super weird that Fidei 1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD) 2. townleans me 3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter ( I mean, since that you've essentially just pushed Conversion and then been extremely whiny. I'm still town-leaning you, but all my reads are sort of crossing over each other, which is making this game very confusing. But if you want someone else to defend you maybe you should start by defending yourself... | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:20 Vivax wrote: Yes he's basically saying he doesn't believe a word of what BH calls Grack scum for yet concludes that BH is town and Grack is null, with a lot of fluff on top. Can I just highlight how bad this is that Vivax is using it as a scum read. Nowhere in this post does PB say that he doesn't believe BH thinks Grack is a liar. Not one place. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide. Vivax is misconstruing this post to the full extent to put scummy intentions behind PB's posts. PB states that he only sees townies going after people like this (thinks BH is town) but that the "lie" could in fact be Grack misremembering. He doesn't once state that BH doesn't believe it, not once. So why does Vivax push it like he is saying this? Because he's bad/mafia  | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:32 Holyflare wrote: Even though all of the above is still in play, I haven't called you mafia, I've been willing to be open about you SO THAT YOU DO OTHER THINGS, which you still refuse to do. One of my other things I'm doing is scumreading you you super generous guy | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:29 beentheredonethat wrote: yo ritoky when you're done calling me bad what do you think about Holyflare? i think he's probably town. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:36 Fidei86 wrote: I mean, since that you've essentially just pushed Conversion and then been extremely whiny. I'm still town-leaning you, but all my reads are sort of crossing over each other, which is making this game very confusing. But if you want someone else to defend you maybe you should start by defending yourself... I know I'm playing bad. And I assure you this is the last game I'll play for a while if not ever. Every time I sign up for a game and roll town, I get super mad when I'm called scum, I get super mad when people call me bad. So I'll be super happy if this game is over for me and don't worry, I won't sign up for any other games. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:38 beentheredonethat wrote: I know I'm playing bad. And I assure you this is the last game I'll play for a while if not ever. Every time I sign up for a game and roll town, I get super mad when I'm called scum, I get super mad when people call me bad. So I'll be super happy if this game is over for me and don't worry, I won't sign up for any other games. out of game for a sec: sorry this is your experience. if it gets to you that hard i will do my best to refrain from calling you bad or insulting you going forward. i don't want people to have a shit time playing. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:36 beentheredonethat wrote: 1. At this point there wasn't a lot of content in the game. Also, I was simply reading through the thread and picking up posts as I read them. I didn't first read and then decide what to pick on, d'oh. "We have told you to look at" - not at this point, again, lots of blablabla 2. Holy maccaroni you're argueing with a point in the game that is much later than the oiriginal point you have misrepresented. It's always easier to say "hey, on page 6 you hadn't done what I told you on page 7", you do realize that, right? 3. Of course that doesn't mean that everybody is capable of doing it. Nevertheless it is a solid reasoning for ME to think that this might the going on here. Of course I am not giving space to the person I'm pushing, I don't want to hear them flail about whateverthefuck they ate last night, I want to clearly know what's going on. Who the fuck writes "b/c" on mobile, I ask once more? And if it's so super convenient for him (or for you, HF) as you said earlier, then why does he say "oih wait until im on a computer" then anyways, huh? No, doesn't make sense, hence why I think it's scum indicative. 4. That's wroooooong I say pretty clearly I'm fine with lynching him, probably 10 min ago or something. scummy scummy hf I know you're capable of out-argueing me at any point in time, no problem but that doesn't make you less scum Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else. Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
Full stop here, as it's useless to discuss this anyways  | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Vivax says we should lynch BH because he's mafia. I say he does this in every game as every alignment. Vivax says he's still mafia. I say it's a coin flip. Vivax goes after PB and misconstrues his post. I say it's misconstruing PB's post. Vivax calls me mafia and Grack town somehow. | ||
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Conversion
United States3308 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote: Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again. Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else. Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game? Every post before today has been on my phone. | ||
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Fidei86
United Kingdom2116 Posts
On June 05 2017 04:01 Vivax wrote: I don't understand how anyone can take BHs push on Grack seriously, it was obviously just a stand up comedy, although the argument itself is correct (that Grack actually wasn't oblivious to how BH calculates his RNG). I'm currently inclined to flip my reads on Grack (to town) and HF (to scum) Vivax talk me through this? | ||
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