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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:11 GMT
#148
On June 04 2017 03:06 ritoky wrote:
LS can you not just post 15-30 page filters and say "read this and you'll see my point!" who the fuck is actually going to do that? quote the posts or give me a page range at the very least.

page 27 until end of page 29
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:13 GMT
#150
On June 04 2017 02:47 Fidei86 wrote:
HF I think that might be a bit of a reach. Going through the game again it's clear LS noticed TW-TS, but just completely whiffed on why it was actually interesting. It could be scum "saying what's happening", but then this is LS - he has a ... different style.

Only thing I saw that was interesting at the time was the scumread into townread switch until you quoted that weird post by TW.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:20 GMT
#153
On June 04 2017 03:17 ritoky wrote:
oh...apparently it logs me out? weird

It was from liquidlegends here the tl link:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/521332-generic-mini-mafia-ii?user=Holyflare
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:23 GMT
#155
On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks.

D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon.

N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia.

D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none.

On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people.


And doesn't consolidate.

Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for.

On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this.

LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread?

Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh.



Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia.

He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew.

On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?

On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
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On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
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On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

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On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
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On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
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On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.


LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads.

Lynch him after me.


this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more?

Did you read his follow up on that case?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:32 GMT
#158
On June 04 2017 03:26 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 03:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:22 ritoky wrote:
On May 20 2017 19:47 Holyflare wrote:
I think you probably lynch ls first tbh. The more I think about his play the worse it looks.

D1 calls me mafia, lynches his best friend damdred with me on the wagon.

N1 calls me mafia despite voting with him but agrees with me that rayn is mafia-y despite calling me mafia.

D2 makes a meta case that rayn is mafia because of rage but only has 1 meta link to XXX mafia and it looks nothing like this game. Then he just afks on that wagon despite there being other wagons and palmar voting rayn for modkill reasons. When asked who LS' scum reads other than rayn are he says he has none.

On May 15 2017 05:05 LightningStrike wrote:
this vote count looks nasty we need to consolidate onto people.


And doesn't consolidate.

Despite the fact he thinks rayn is the only mafia and he agrees with my case on rayn and he's voting rayn he still thinks I'm mafia but NOT with rayn, the guy he is voting for.

On May 15 2017 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 05:17 Vivax wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 15 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:
LS, who do you think are rayn's partners?

Idk honestly I just think he's mafia independent of anything.


I don't think I've ever seen anyone write this.

LS are you 100% sure that rayn is your only scumread?

Well I got HF as a scumlean but i don't think HF could be scum with rayn tbh.



Furthermore, LS has been inconsistent on his reads. He says that palmar is mafia repeatedly but then says he'll lynch both palmar and holyflare despite earlier saying that if rayn is town palmar is mafia.

He goes on to say that tw did not spew grack town because the case was shit but begins today saying grack is confirmed town because of spew.

On May 20 2017 04:16 LightningStrike wrote:
I think HF or Palmar are scum based on TW's list honestly so I willing to lynch one or the other and the fact Grack was spewed makes so my 3rd scum is between sicklucker and prison break. sicklucker hasn't have the same euthiaism as normally does as town after lynching a scum and was afk for the most part of the auto lynch of TW like he normally does when one of his scum buddies is getting lynched. PB I did like his content early I just more afraid that he could of just been trying to blend but his way of trying to lynch sicklucker over HF and Palmar might seem townie?

On May 19 2017 01:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.


LS has a problem of forgetting his own reads and then trying to blend by just copying other people's reads.

Lynch him after me.


this is his primary case against you and it doesn't feel similar at all. i guess he accusing you of being inconsistent again, that's the only real similarity i can see. am i missing something more?

Did you read his follow up on that case?


you mean posts like this?

Show nested quote +
On May 20 2017 23:54 Holyflare wrote:
On May 20 2017 23:09 LightningStrike wrote:
You can lynch me if you want but I thinking HF's refusal to lynch Palmar despite the fact we gave him the opportunity to do it and him sort of defending palmar is enough of as reason to lynch HF and if HF is scum we can move on to to sicklucker.


How the hell can you think only one of us is mafia but the guy trying to solve the game is the one instead of the guy pandering to emotions? None of that makes the slightest bit of sense.

If there's only one mafia between us then why do I spend my time trying to defend him when I just let him die and get confirmed town?

Yes.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 18:44 GMT
#162
On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.

but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.

Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 19:47 GMT
#167
On June 04 2017 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
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On June 04 2017 03:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 04 2017 03:33 ritoky wrote:
i guess i get how tonally it can feel the same from your PoV because HF is saying you're inconsistent and if you were consistent you should think X, but you randomly think Y which makes no sense.

but HF does that always and to pretty much everyone. it's how sometimes he ends up lynching dumb instead of scum. i think you're kinda omgusing.

Hmm it might just be the tone because I never was consistent on stuff and I remember how some people as scum did try to push me for the same type of stuff in the past.


Eh, it's worth noting that this isn't really how a meta read someone being scum works though. Certainly you can and should give some weighting to this as "hey, I've seen scum do this" but it's more important to ask whether HolyFlare does this as scum. Although some things can certainly be said to be universal scumtells, if we're going to talk about someone's history of using a point or argument when they are scum, we should bear in mind that such arguments should apply to them more than to others.

He can do ti as both alignments according to ritoky I just can't remember much about his town game since it been a while since HF been town period.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 03 2017 19:50 GMT
#168
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 03:16 GMT
#262
Just got back from the tournament and got 4th overall. I didn't expect to make top cut at all honestly that why I was absent since about 3:00 pm CST:
On June 04 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
LS are you going to play this game with 0 meta?

There will be some meta.
QUOTE]On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\


Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct

here i'll prove it

##Vote Vivax[/QUOTE]
Ya no that not how it works......
Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 03:17 GMT
#263
EBWOP:
On June 04 2017 12:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Just got back from the tournament and got 4th overall. I didn't expect to make top cut at all honestly that why I was absent since about 3:00 pm CST:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 04:51 Holyflare wrote:
LS are you going to play this game with 0 meta?

There will be some meta.
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 04:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 04 2017 04:50 LightningStrike wrote:
I wonder where Vivax is because I figured he be around atm :\


Clearly my RNG was, as always, 100% correct

here i'll prove it

##Vote Vivax

Ya no that not how it works......
Also the fight from BH vs Grack seems kinda forced? It just doesn't feel natural to me.

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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 03:57 GMT
#264
TW still didn't explain his weird read switch on TS.......
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 04:02 GMT
#265
TW can you please explain to me why to jumped form scumreading TS to townreading him please?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 04:03 GMT
#266
Anyways I going to bed now as I got a sinus headache will check everything when I wake up.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 16:04 GMT
#341
Just woke up after my body woke itself up around 4:00 am CST and went back to sleep:
On June 04 2017 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
And LS I'm challenging you this game. If you are town I don't want you to reference a single piece of meta. I want you to use reasons from this game. Anything else is a mafia claim.

Do not ignore this post.

You know I a meta heavy person right?
On June 04 2017 20:29 Holyflare wrote:
That list is so bull shit. If you think I haven't done enough then I'm null. But then you want to lynch my scum read for reasons I've outlined and that you apparently support.

But I'm mafia on your list instead of null/towny which I should be if you agree with me.

No. That doesn't add up at all.

Sounds familiar :o
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 16:06 GMT
#342
Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 16:10 GMT
#344
Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 04 2017 16:14 GMT
#345
On June 05 2017 01:08 Holyflare wrote:
I don't care if you're a meta heavy person. I'm making you evolve to be a better player.

I had actually done that in the past I just never was a good case writer with current game stuff. The best case I ever made was in Titanic I had Cunning Plan where I made a case on prplhz:
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On February 22 2015 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys this is my case on prplhz being Mafia this game sorry for the delay I had to restart from scartch like I said earlier but without further ab-due here's my case on prplhz being and like I said earlier first thing to note he have a 4 page filter which is extremely small for this game but that alone doesn't make him Mafia. Well let's go to this quote from Day 1 from prplhz which I did question a bit:
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On February 14 2015 23:15 prplhz wrote:
On February 14 2015 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi purplehaze!
Long time no see. Did you roll town?

no i rolled mafia so please help me with the blue hunting.

On February 14 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Policy lynch miller claims.
Townies do not fear getting copped.

Also blazinghand probably is mafia.

for realsies?

On February 14 2015 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like what i basically want to do Palmar, is to figure out blazinghand, robert, and wirh your help prplhz. If we can fiure out those players alignments on D1 the game becomes really OP for the town.

why these players?

Now notice he claimed Red which would normally imply Mafia but in this game Town Power roles are Red and Mafia is Blue. Also he seemed to shocked someone called Blazinghand Mafia.
This next quote I finding it pretty weird on certain stuff:
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On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case.

i don't like this post at all though

On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:17 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Members of the scumteam!

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On February 14 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
@slam

[...]
fecalfeast:
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Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why?

He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here?

I love how serious you are all the time lol

First he said that Robik and Rayn were green reads of his and it was confirmed that they did in fact flip green. Also he calling himself Red which is in this game a Town Power role but again he still haven't claimed but why soft claim a power role at all unless you were me when I first started playing TL Mafia. Also he doesn't seem to follow up his read on FF on his post.
This post I really dislike a lot:
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On February 15 2015 00:53 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:45 rsoultin wrote:
hell, any read would be nice, prplhz, unless you'd like to just keep coaching people to not bring things outside the game into the thread

wasn't really much of a coaching thing as an "oh my god this could easily lead to 20 pages of ban list discussion and multiple people vowing never to play on tlmafia again because of some minor incident that could just never have happened"

anyway robik and bh are both too stubborn to just not do shit like that so whatevz

First off he already called Robik Green which VT or Miller earlier and now he also posting a whole bunch of nothing with only saying Robik and Blazinghand are stubborn and doesn't say if they were town or not although I think he thought we would assume he thinks both of them are town but him being lazy about it really making me ich.
So this post is interesting:
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On February 15 2015 01:11 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
oh wait, the blues are the mafia?

how did you figure this out at this point? did you just randomly decide to read the OP right at this time? that doesn't seem like palmaresque behavior (reading the OP at any point of the game).

i mean you think i'm wanting to red hunt and then you say "okay" despite how everybody knows this is pro scum (lightningstrike deftly pointed this out already). then you say "okay" but then suddenly, right there, you decide to read the OP (wtf since when does palmar read the OP) and then you realize that i actually want to blue hunt. why did you read the OP right there?

He decided to do a meta read on Palmar because apparently Palmar doesn't read the OP as Town but again this post seem to have little substance and the bolded inticating is that he want to hunt for our Town Power roles which stupid to do because we need them to do their jobs and help us find Mafia and the Serial Killer.
This next post from prplhz making me cringe:
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On February 15 2015 09:41 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 09:08 Blazinghand wrote:
So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you:

On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:

It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default.

On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:
On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol.

While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier.

Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other.

The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc.

This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However:

I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere
I couldn't convince anyone to follow me
Half the players thought I was mafia.

I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.

So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched.


So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG.

Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG.

Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill.

any questions?

i have a question

are you not aware the the bullshitting phase of this game is long over?

Idk what was the purpose of this post by prplhz other than telling BH to just cut out the RNG lynch since he was wanting to RNG lynch VA so he was either townreading VA or is scum buddies with VA.
This next post seems to contradict a earlier post of his:
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On February 16 2015 00:56 prplhz wrote:
@palmar i don't know if i'm remembering this correctly, but rayn is usually all over the place isn't he? i mean he had a list post in this very game like 6 hours into the game where he claims that he found the entire scum team. it's pretty ridiculous but he's just very convinced of one thing and then suddenly of another, very jumpy. i remember that game where he thought i was scum and you and marv had to do your very best to change his mind but at that point he had thought i was scum every single game we had played together (think we had played four games), he just had a thing for me. i don't think that means he never reconsiders his reads, especially his early "flakier" reads.

i agree that that "guess why i think ksc is mafia"-thing is weird and that's after he went to the sauna he's uncharacteristically disappeared though that could be for other reasons.

also, as much as i hate to say it, slam and bh are right, we're nowhere right now and we should consolidate. ksc had a terrible entrance to this thread and the only substantial thing he's done is this weird hard defense of rayn. bh looking good for pointing it out but very bad for sticking with this VA thing, it's getting way too old by now.

Now earlier he had posted this:
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On February 15 2015 00:51 prplhz wrote:
On February 15 2015 00:43 Palmar wrote:
prplhz, who do you think are the blues? Also, how do you think we should go about identifying blues?

I am 100% serious here, I am going to try to figure out blue roles with you.

dunno. i have maybe two slight green reads (robik, rayn) and one red read (me) but i've never been much of a blue hunter (inb4 this is a scum tell). i was hoping someone would convince me with a good case.

i don't like this post at all though

On February 14 2015 15:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 14 2015 15:17 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 14 2015 14:56 Alakaslam wrote:
Members of the scumteam!

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On February 14 2015 15:14 ritoky wrote:
@slam

[...]
fecalfeast:
[image loading]


Ritoky, you're scumreading FF? Why?

He doesn't seem to do much D1 as town from what I recall, but what is jumping out at you here?

I love how serious you are all the time lol

So he haven't show a real progression on his own read on rayn and called him Vanilla Town earlier so what had changed? I checked his filter and he didn't explain any change before the post I quoted earlier about his change in reads on rayn. Also he already had checked the case on KSC being Mafia and liked it but he also said that we were getting no where with the KSC talked which is odd because if you think someone is Mafia you talk others and ask them what their view is on that person and people minds change over time normally.
Now in this post it seemed to defend rayn even though he seemed to had changed his mind suddenly on him:
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On February 16 2015 01:34 prplhz wrote:
yea i'm not sure what to think about palmar. this push on rayn is, well i don't like pushes on people like rayn or palmar on d1 because if they're town they're going to get shot by mafia really soon anyway. pretty simple. also a rayn/palmar shout fest clash of egos on d1 is potentially devastating for town. i liked some of his earlier posts like the one where he points out that robik is town and then he just made this post

On February 16 2015 00:12 Palmar wrote:
There's something wrong in a game where I'm sitting here on weekend and feeling all alone in a dead thread on day 1. It's supposed to be the other way around. other people missing me


which i think looks super townie.

in any case i'm really tentative about lynching palmar or rayn on d1. i want to see what happens when rayn gets back though.

semi related you're also looking townie simply because the "say something clever twice and you're scum" thing you have for me is so ridiculous.

So he thinks that Palmar looks town and both Palmar and Rayn shouldn't be lynched on Day 1 but why he wouldn't want to lynch one of his possible Mafia reads as soon as possible?
In this post he hard attacks rayn after hard defending him to not be the Day 1 lynch:
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On February 16 2015 01:54 prplhz wrote:
@Palmar I don't remember which game it was that had you and marvellosity fight an uphill battle against raynpelikoneet to make him realize I was town.

HOWEVER

In that very game I remember that I said something like "raynpelikoneet can't read me for shit he always reads me scum even though I'm town" and that just ticked him off. Completely emotionally compromised and we know raynpelikoneet with the multiple 5 game bans can be hilariously emotionally compromised. That's what happened and that's why he was so stubborn that game. I'm pretty sure that while he's usually self-confident, he's nowhere near those levels of stubbornness.

What's happening in this game is that raynpelikoneet saw a post that he liked and then it seems like he reconsidered a read. That's not scummy, it's scummy to keep all doors open but not to reconsider reads.

pls respond

He showed no real progression on his read on rayn at least in his filter up to this point and turned up suddenly. He also called Rayn Mafia because he was keeping all of his doors open but yet he said he didn't reconsider reads when in that same post he said he did.
In this post he seemed to again contradict a earlier statement:
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On February 16 2015 02:42 prplhz wrote:
SERIOUSLY

RAYN IS REALLY GOOD AT MAFIA

EITHER HE WILL FIND MAFIA OR HE WILL GET SHOT

IF NEITHER HAPPENS, WE CAN CONSIDER LYNCHING HIM

WE'RE NOT LYNCHING HIM JUST BECAUSE HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND IS NOW AFK WRESTLING A POLAR BEAR OR WHATEVER.

this is mafia 101, you don't lynch townies with a good reputation on d1.

He just said he wanted to lynch Rayn but now he said don't lynch him again on Day 1 like him reconsidering when to lynch someone who he got as a scumread for him is really weird like if he was town he should of tried to convince people to lynch him if he really thought Rayn was Mafia.
Now these next two quotes are really confusing:
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On February 16 2015 04:22 prplhz wrote:
##Vote Blazinghand

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On February 16 2015 04:24 prplhz wrote:
##Unvote Blazinghand

So first he never gave his reasoning to lynch Blazinghand then he unvotes him 2 minutes later like seriously why even vote him if you just going to unvote like 2 mins later like if you think someone is Mafia you vote them not vote then unvote but he never gave a reasoning for his vote on Blazinghand at all and that is very scummy.
Now in this post his explains his Blazinghand vote but also attacks KSC:
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On February 17 2015 11:34 prplhz wrote:
@KelsierSC on the odd chance that you're actually town you need to take a step back and reconsider your read on me instead of just going "prplhz is scum" every single time I post. Seriously, even if I was scum I wouldn't be scummy in every single post. It's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me. If you're mafia then keep going though.

Also this thread went to pieces. I can explain my Blazinghand vote though, it's pretty simple. Blazinghand did a horrible claim under hardly any pressure and I though that was scummy for a second then I realized that scum would rarely do that in face of 2-3 votes 10 hours before deadline. Scum are usually way more hesitant and he'd have the backing of his team to count on as well so no reason to panic like that. Took me a moment to realize thus vote into unvote.

I'm having a hard time piecing this game together. I really thought the claim made Blazinghand town but the way he's acting now doesn't look town at all. Look at how he's saying that "nothing is confirmed" and "you can't know about Superbia" when Superbia pretty much just modconfirmed two townies. It's not that he isn't right, it's that he's pushing uncertainty in the thread. Why, when it's like 99% probable that Superbia is town, does Blazinghand want us to remember the 1% chance that he isn't? Also Blazinghand has a high opinion of himself and he wants people to do what he says. Right now he's been up for lynch but everybody stopped wanting to lynch him, he's looking townier than every, what does he use this for? He's not pushing anything other than uncertainty, why isn't he pushing VayneAuthority or whoever else he thinks is scum?

It's really hard to make a scum team right now, too little fits well and the liancourt lynch didn't really give me anything. Not a bad lynch but I just hadn't really paid much attention to him and he turned out to be not only a townie but a god damn fake claiming townie.

Anyway, defensive roles on townies and offensive roles on scum. We don't need any heroes just play safe.

Okay so he said that KSC was tunneled on him(prplhz) tells him to stop unless KSC is Mafia but his explaination of his Blazinghand vote is he thought Blazinghand was Mafia for his claim then unvotes him because he thought Mafia would be dumb to do that type of claim and yet he says Blazinghand doesn't look like town and said that Blazinghand shouldn't of had us remember that Superbia has a 1% chance of flipping Mafia. Also he complains that it's hard to make a Mafia because it's too well and lian's lynch said nothing well he should of start asking questions and crap to figure out who's mafia and who isn't.
These next two quotes are him attacking KSC over the fact that KSC thinks prplhz is Mafia and saying it's ridiculous:
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On February 17 2015 11:49 prplhz wrote:
You really are. Every time I post you make a post saying "this is scummy". That's tunneling because (and it appears that you agree) not everything I do is scummy.

I had real life. Seriously, why do you think I disappeared and what did you think I'd answer to that question? It's stupid shit like that question that makes it's obvious that you're tunneling, just using whatever reason you can to yell at me.

Short non-committal filter. Someone mentioned the poking in to talk about rules which I agree is scummy. He seems more at ease talking about setup stuff that reads. Also, no one would vote you and as Alakaslam and Blazinghand had pointed out, we were in a bad condition with no one really gaining traction for a lynch. You're also completely right I went with it partially also to see if it would "stick", if anything would come of it. I'm really not set in stone when I vote for someone, it's a very dynamic process for me.

I haven't had much time today until now, trying to catch up on the thread.

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On February 17 2015 11:54 prplhz wrote:
On February 17 2015 11:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Why did you decide to drop me because I was doing things, when the reason you scum read me wasn't based on my activity.

Things like these, jesus christ.

First of all, I never said I dropped you entirely, I said I'd give you some pause because you were actually playing.

Anyway, if I think you're scummy because of your entrance into the thread, does that mean I can never stop thinking that because you can never change your entrance? No, your entrance can be scummy and you can be town which would then show later. Your entrance was scummy, I still think that. I think that your sheer bullheaded activity makes other people better lynches for now.

Do you mean to say that because I think something you do is scummy, I can never think something you do is townie? Because that's complete nonsense.

I also did complain about your activity anyway.

First he saying his excuse for inactivity was because of real life although if it's true he would of posted much more later but he didn't. Second he called Rayn out I think in the first quote for setup speculation and talking about rules as scummy but setup speculation should be considered null at best since we would know how the setup works based on the OP and reading the backstory of this setup. Third he attacks KSC calling his entrance scummy yet wanted to give a pause for a bit and saying that if he thought something he did call he never thinks something from KSC would townie is complete nonsense.
This is pretty much my entire case on Prplhz being Mafia he haven't really done much scum hunting at all and letting others do it for him when he's a Vet player and he should know how to scum hunt at this stage in the game.
##Vote: Prplhz


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LightningStrike
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#346
BTW that was a no meta case it was just content from that game alone so I already proved I can actually do it HF
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June 04 2017 16:20 GMT
#347
Also @Grack do you think there is a chance BH is town trying to do that or is he 100% scum for you at this point?
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#360
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?

You might call it weird but I done that before myself agreeing with someone's point doesn't mean they don't townread you.
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