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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 18 2017 14:11 GMT
#1881
Meh on second thought it's a bit too emotional for my taste there's a lot of information open to interpretation in TWs posts I don't know why I'm the only one trying to look for something in there.

Like when he said "You're not telling me someone other than Palmar/HF chose the night kill". It's 100% true and he knew it and wrote it like he knew it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2017 14:29 GMT
#1882
You're not. His filter tells me palmar is mafia which is why palmar is mafia among many other things.

There's no way he typed "this is my towniest game" with a straight face and called himself a terrible check.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 18 2017 14:56 GMT
#1883
this is, literally, quite the towniest game on content I've played, but whatever.
Computer says mafia
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 18 2017 14:59 GMT
#1884
On May 18 2017 23:56 Palmar wrote:
this is, literally, quite the towniest game on content I've played, but whatever.


I'm torn between lynching you and HF and sheeping you tomorrow. I'm super clueless this game not knowing if the mafia left is a shitty SL/Grack or you+HF.
You can have my vote for the day and lynch one person of your choosing having my uncoditional baaaaa, but if you're wrong, we lynch you.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 18 2017 15:01 GMT
#1885
no pressure, right?
Computer says mafia
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 18 2017 15:01 GMT
#1886
I found it interesting that HF did call out TW being scum Day 1 in this post:
On May 11 2017 20:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS, find me some mafia and tell me why it's Tumblewood.

At the time no one was really scumreading Tw that heavily if I recalled thus maybe HF get some extra credit? Also I can confirm that Palmar did ask Tumblewood to build a town case on Grack but Tumblewood didn't could be a lead? Considering I think there was 1 partner of his in his townreads and 1 in his scumreads because I doubt both of his scumreads were his partners unless he tried to do a soft bus of the century on his entire team.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 18 2017 15:07 GMT
#1887
Also low chance that Tumblewood put his partners in his townreads for the same reason why I don't think both HF and Palmar are his teammates is because it wouldn't leave much wiggle room for him to lynch outside his partners if both them are his townreads so very likely 1 townread of his is a teammate and and other is in his scumreads of HF and Palmar. Anyways I disagree with lynching Grack right away as I think higher chance of us hitting scum in Palmar vs HF as I think 1 of those 2 are a partner of Tumblewood for said reasons.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 18 2017 15:17 GMT
#1888
TW was literally the first guy I found scummy in the game but obviously he shrugged off his shit as a joke and rip scumread.

I think Grack reprimanded me for not "getting the joke" and made a case on me for it.Lemme check.

Also LS 200% town
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
May 18 2017 15:31 GMT
#1889
TW was always in the background

Like I wish I had jumped harder on his terrible read that "grack is too happy to be scum".
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2017 15:38 GMT
#1890
Only time will tell
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
May 18 2017 15:47 GMT
#1891
Yea and who else is in the background doing nothing? SL. And when you point it out he replies that he didn't want to sign up.

I blame you and HF for being good scum players.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 18 2017 16:00 GMT
#1892
I'm only good at mafia because i kill all the other people that talk lots and usurp the town.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
May 18 2017 16:50 GMT
#1893
I think this was the closest he got to a town case on Grack but it wasn't exactly a great town case which is why I don't remember him doing one:
On May 14 2017 04:05 Tumblewood wrote:
dont lynch grack pls

of course first i have to establish that there isn't really such a thing as anti-incrimination. townreads will always be a more wishy-washy sort of read than scum reads which means no one is allowed to yell at you when you call someoine town , i think. the smarter thing to do was probably to make a refutation to the scum case but oh well, i am no weenie

so here are some examples of grack doing things that are townie things to do. like calling people out:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 13 2017 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 18:11 Palmar wrote:
random voteswitching at the deadline didn't work?

I'm shocked I say, shocked.

Dude you didn't even show up.

You were like "Oh no we have only a 5% chance of success. Allow me to proceed to do absolutely nothing!"

boom rekt
On May 10 2017 17:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Honestly this is seeming pretty fishy to me.
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:05 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 10 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On May 10 2017 15:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't mean it as an attack. I just found it interesting that you called all of the people town but us and we had kind of a similar response to it.

So what's interesting in that? What are your conclusions?

My conclusion is that Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel.

How about you play the game instead of this shit?
Did you just say you made a series of posts that indicate -- no, literally say, you found the first thing in the game that interests you yet you cannot make a single conclusion out of it?

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay that makes sense. I am really not trying to twist anything you say into anything else. I just saw you making a post, thought about what it indicates (correctly ) and it didn't make any sense to me. Since really, i know my own alignment and even if fuba is mafia there is no reason anyone of you three would most likely respond differently, therefore your conclusion didn't make much sense to me -- and looked more to be like what i said.

Obviously Tumblewood and you can question me for a read you don't understand or don't get. At first you just seemed to be doing it "wrong", you know what i mean? I don't think it makes you mafia, i just want you to be clear in what you say and not cryptic because i don't wanna guess what you say. I want people to lay out stuff clear so i can just focus on making conclusions on that said stuff.

rn I am most interested in on how Holyflare thinks anything of what i have said possibly makes me mafia.

Before you were attacking me for making no conclusion and now you are changing your mind because the whole time you thought there shouldn't have been any conclusion?

this post (and also the one where he responds to the damdred WoT) also indicate that he is closely reading and actually analyzing the game. which is ofc a Townie Thing To Do


and having fun. but not like shapelog trolling, actually being funny. also kinda had a real purpose behind it
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2017 15:24 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 15:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What exactly are the quality posts you three made?

They looked kinda like this:

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
Secund.


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Who scum?


Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 07:52 Tumblewood wrote:
I'm glad that's settled <3
scum imitating trolling always end up being cryptic and useless, and not actually good like this. that was a much better explanation than the one outside the spoiler
On May 10 2017 18:48 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't know who started this noted thing but it's super obnoxious.

On May 10 2017 18:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2017 18:50 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm going to vote you and see how it feels. Maybe it'll feel good, I don't know. So many things yet unanswered.

Noted.

admit it u are literally laughing ur ass off
but the way this is done conveys his genuine irritation with the noted thing too


part of the difficulty in writing this is i don't get how on earth he is scum anyway. it is just so obvious from his filter that this guy is town. but if you have a couple points against him i can tell you they're shit and we can make a little more progress towards Not Lynching An Obvious Townie On Day 2

his points aren't really great so the fact he went to try to defend grack could mean grack is a potental partner for TW but there might be other people who could be TW's partner.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 18 2017 16:53 GMT
#1894
I've nailed it down to this

town: LS, Palmar, HF

scum: Grack or Vivax
scum: sicklurker

but vivax pushed sicklurker, so grack is more likely. vivax did have a weird post where he'd question why people would lynch sicklurker though, which can be interpreted as softdefending. I really don't like vivax "if my townread on TW is anything like my townread on PB then he must be mafia", that sounded insincere and it's complete bullshit. what's holding me back is that vivax pushes sicklurker now

as for grackeroni, he mentioned my post seemed scummy (where I went from scumreading HF to townreading him based on his posting), then when called out on it he basically retracted it pretty fast. seemed like he was trying to see if others would catch on, and when they didn't he kind of dropped it. Very scummy. If HF is town, and I went from scumreading to townreading him, then I can imagine scum being frustrated by that because they obviously want town to kill other town, so I can see this play having a scum motive. Don't see how it makes sense from town though

I think 2 scum is between these 3, LS palmar have been townie all game. no way HF is scum and being that paranoid yesterday, that seemed very real and townlike. so yeah I want to lynch between these 3, and I think both scum are between them
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 18 2017 16:59 GMT
#1895
On May 18 2017 14:34 Prison Break wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 12:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 18 2017 11:52 Prison Break wrote:
On May 18 2017 10:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 18 2017 08:37 Prison Break wrote:
if I'm wrong though I'm going to hate myself ... ugh.... I don't like changing reads but I have a bad habbit of tunneling, shouldn't be limiting myself just because I could be wrong, if he's scum and I'm wrong then that sucks, but I am confident enough in my townread to not want to lynch him today

This post seems scummy to me.


Why, you think his play makes sense as scum? I had him as scum prior, but after his recent play I've changed my mind. What's scummy about changing your mind according to new evidence? The tunneling thing is something people often accuse me of, since I'm new here I guess that's not common knowledge yet.

HF can be pretty sneaky.

But it seems kind of scummy to me because there's too much anguish over dropping a scum read, like you're too worried that we're going to call you out for switching your read on HF.

I think it's the "...ugh..." in the middle of the sentence that bothers me. It just feels unnatural to me.


I was pretty confident he was scum earlier on. His play is messing with my head. I don't care what others think, I care about being right. I think I'm still right on sicklurker


see this is my problem with you. do you want to be right ? or do you want to find mafia. because they are not mutually exlusive. I am not mafia and you have been wrong all game. So are you chasing losses here? or just scum
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 18 2017 17:01 GMT
#1896
On May 18 2017 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
Lol pb is confirmed town grack. No way his team let's him vote twice in a night cycle without telling him how the game works.


thats a dumb argument. especially with one being tumbleweed and the other probably being you
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 18 2017 17:05 GMT
#1897
hell its probably not even hf probably just a medic dodge. nk will tell all
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 18 2017 17:06 GMT
#1898
if palmars town tho and they dont kill him as a medic dodge. I feel like that greatly increases the chance of mafia being newbs. I know tumbleweed wouldnt go with conventional nks. who else wouldnt?

pb for one. ls probably grack who knows
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 18 2017 17:07 GMT
#1899
lets just say if im mafia with tumble +1 i would never let those morons kill df who town reads me over others
Prison Break
Profile Joined April 2017
326 Posts
May 18 2017 17:10 GMT
#1900
On May 19 2017 01:59 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2017 14:34 Prison Break wrote:
On May 18 2017 12:41 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 18 2017 11:52 Prison Break wrote:
On May 18 2017 10:51 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 18 2017 08:37 Prison Break wrote:
if I'm wrong though I'm going to hate myself ... ugh.... I don't like changing reads but I have a bad habbit of tunneling, shouldn't be limiting myself just because I could be wrong, if he's scum and I'm wrong then that sucks, but I am confident enough in my townread to not want to lynch him today

This post seems scummy to me.


Why, you think his play makes sense as scum? I had him as scum prior, but after his recent play I've changed my mind. What's scummy about changing your mind according to new evidence? The tunneling thing is something people often accuse me of, since I'm new here I guess that's not common knowledge yet.

HF can be pretty sneaky.

But it seems kind of scummy to me because there's too much anguish over dropping a scum read, like you're too worried that we're going to call you out for switching your read on HF.

I think it's the "...ugh..." in the middle of the sentence that bothers me. It just feels unnatural to me.


I was pretty confident he was scum earlier on. His play is messing with my head. I don't care what others think, I care about being right. I think I'm still right on sicklurker


see this is my problem with you. do you want to be right ? or do you want to find mafia. because they are not mutually exlusive. I am not mafia and you have been wrong all game. So are you chasing losses here? or just scum


wtf?

I want to lynch scum. In order to lynch scum, I must be right on who I lynch. You're completely taking these words out of the context. The context in which I said this was when I said I'd hate myself if HF was scum, to which I got called out (by your possible scummate?) that I was supposedly worried about how I'd look or some BS like that. To which I explained to him, that I'm worried about being right. So within this context, the meanig is obviously that I only want to lynch people that are scum

You saying I've been wrong this entire game is a complete misrep. I've been right on multiple things and I'm tunneling you because you're scum. So you're using your alignment as an argument to say I'm wrong - while for all we know, you could be lying about it. So it's not a valid argument. What is a valid argument, though, is that you're outright misleading people with what you're saying and that you made weird flip flops and what not.
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