Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote:


Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things.

On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).

On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted

On January 16 2017 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
And hapa you can't just drive by drop a comment and peace out after I've stepped up. Gotta do that hardcore commitment you so badly wanted at the start now.

On January 16 2017 07:49 Hapahauli wrote:
HF, why is that inconsistency mafia motivated? I understand the why Damdreds thought process doesn't make sense. I dont understand why it is suspicious.

On January 16 2017 21:20 Vivax wrote:


Not a fan of your argumentation here cause it should go "IF LS is town then Damdred is scum cause he spewed LS town". So first you would have to make a point for LS to be town.

On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:


But why weird ls? Which side is weird?

On January 16 2017 09:44 Holyflare wrote:
Ok nvm I drop everything about damdred.

Carry on folks, nothing to see here.

On January 16 2017 10:29 Hapahauli wrote:


I've read your interaction with Damdred probably 5 times over the last two hours. I still don't see what you're getting at. The entire interaction makes perfect sense if Damdred makes a typo and doesn't understand that he made a mistake while answering your question. I've been in his position as town.

Since you dropped Damdred, this is no longer an issue however.

On January 16 2017 21:34 Vivax wrote:
Rels hold on a moment.

You go on to disagree with Damdred about these points making LS town.

Why immediately jump to the conclusion that it's TMI afterwards if you aren't sure that LS is town?

On January 16 2017 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:

I think Hf is being a bit nitpicky? That fight feels weird idk why honestly.

On January 16 2017 09:23 LightningStrike wrote:

Idk it just feels weird. Maybe HF's side? Idk man.

On November 29 2016 23:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Something tells me there is a scum between NU and EC the tone between them don't seem exactly town on town. Call it a gut feeling nothing concrete about it. Don't think both would be mafia it doesn't feel like mafia on mafia talk especially since it not Shapelog bussing a teammate this early like he normally does (hint I think Shapelog is town this game).

On November 30 2016 01:42 LightningStrike wrote:

Tone of TvT feels more natural while TvM feels unnatural ie like something feels forced by one side. EC vs NU seems like TvM on tone. I will look into more later when I get on a computer because quoting posts is a pain in the assignment on mobile.

On November 30 2016 01:47 LightningStrike wrote:

This post and the one after in EC's filter and the response from NU tone wise makes it seem there is a mafia between them. Like something doesn't feel natural in their conversation.

On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway.

On January 16 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote:


I still don't follow you. For one, god meta read is something I don't believe in.

And next, I don't know why mafia! Damdred shouldn't have an interest in lynching town LS, or why it has to be an excuse. You could also have simply concluded that town! Damdred applied his god meta read here.

Your reasoning doesn't convince me at all.

On January 16 2017 22:00 Vivax wrote:


I'll let Damdred get back to that as I can't really remember if or when he mislynched town LS as mafia.

If you believe that Damdred can read LS very well and treat is as a fact, then why say he spewed him town as mafia? That's the point that I still didn't see sufficiently answered, you would have to believe that you can read LS better than Damdred, and you would have to believe that LS IS town which you didn't seem to think when you posted that.

On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:


Yes.

#1


#2


#2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".

On January 16 2017 22:08 Vivax wrote:




How can the bolded fit together? You would never jump to the conclusion that Damdred is mafia for spewing LS as town when you believe that LS is scummy.

On January 16 2017 22:13 Vivax wrote:


That doesn't make sense Rels. You said posthum that you found LS at the time scummy, that means the thought that Damdred should be suspected for spewing him as town should never have crossed your mind. Your reasoning would appear more credible if you believed them both to be mafia and that Damdred was covering LS with his god read.

On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:


The one game I have in mind actually, they both hard defended each other. It's the one where they got all emotional, can't remember the name.

On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:


Walk me around why you said this cause it's the one post that I don't see a townie making in the context where he believes that LS is scummy.

When you made it you must have believed that Damdreds reasons are bad.
If Damdreds reasons are bad, then Damdred can be scum, but LS can't be scum.
But LS can be scum, so why mention TMI?

On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.

On January 16 2017 22:31 Vivax wrote:
Basically Rels claims to believe really really strongly that Damdred would never defend LS when they're both scum, and that's his only reason for ever making that post about TMI.

Now I'm not 100 % sure if I should believe that cuz it seems fishy.

On January 16 2017 22:34 Vivax wrote:
And then this:







The order seems odd cause you say that at the time LS was null, but you put him among the scummier elements. THEN you post reasons for why you would think that he's scummy.

On January 16 2017 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:

He has pushed me for my mislynch when he's scum with me being town. One of those games where he done it before he left was Onegu is the Best Host which you did play in.
Here was his filter from that game but if you remembered I got modkilled there and Snickers ruined the game too:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/511409-onegu-is-the-best-host-mafia?user=Damdred

On January 16 2017 22:39 LightningStrike wrote:

The way he did shut down HF's push seems odd. He claimed he can see if Damdred changed the name from Vivax to himself(Hapa) it would make sense without adding to much content in that post.
This was the post:

On January 16 2017 22:44 Vivax wrote:


But when you found him scummy after noticing his passive behaviour, why do you post this afterwards?

On January 16 2017 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
So if I'm being nitpicky about damdred and you don't like it why does hapa stopping it seem weird?

On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:


the plot thickens

On January 16 2017 22:52 Rels wrote:
I think you also had the most hilarious post I've ever read in that agme

On September 22 2015 06:11 Vivax wrote:
This is the first time I read some dude on TL presenting the excuse for not playing "Nope sorry I said I would play but then I decided to fuck for like 17 hours"

On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.

I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.

But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.

On January 16 2017 23:10 Vivax wrote:
Rels do you still think that Damdred could be mafia for his bad reasons on LS? If so, why?

On January 16 2017 23:39 Vivax wrote:


Why did you stop thinking that?

On January 17 2017 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:

Ya!

HF is looking like a badass by running around discrediting people till he lynches them, and if they was town it's their fault for being bad, if scum it is because he is badass

Hapa running around being high tier, and generally sheepable and conftown IMSO.

Damdred and LS saying stuff that I think people putting too much stock in, u coming in here and being generally wise but also making too much of HF and Hapa, with regard to H8 HF just because he sez stuff that is aggro

On January 17 2017 01:07 Alakaslam wrote:

Because for once, you are someone who has used reason over emotion here.

On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:


I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured.

Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.

Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.

On January 17 2017 01:11 Alakaslam wrote:

I mean for the first time I have observed on this site since my returning.

On January 17 2017 01:17 Hapahauli wrote:
We'll have to wait for Slam to get back I guess. Entrance doesn't look great.

New line of questioning. Rels - when you were reading the thread this morning, at what point in your readthrough did you start reading LS as mafia?

On January 17 2017 01:19 Hapahauli wrote:
?

On January 17 2017 01:23 Hapahauli wrote:
It was for you Rels - what do you mean by "the end"?

On January 17 2017 01:28 Vivax wrote:


Give me a break dude. If you post stuff as you catch on while having a conversation then one never has an idea if you're changing opinion cause you're being confronted with accusations or cause you're absorbing new content. But then it's your fault for posting too early not mine for finding it scummy.

I also reserve the right to lynch you without being called fucking dumb. I don't have any beef with you I just think you're not being townie.

On January 17 2017 01:33 Vivax wrote:


By facts you mean the wrong meta information you have spewed with complete confidence to excuse your reads not making sense?

On January 17 2017 01:34 Alakaslam wrote:

Was this chezinu?

I don't remember doing this. If it was before the island, well, 3/4 year can do a lot to change someone.

On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Rels is too unsure in the wrong places.

Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot.


Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote.

(I did this at 2AM but whatever.)

On December 20 2016 19:15 Alakaslam wrote:

some of your stances on disformation, some of your ideas regarding who would be scum why, that kind of thing.

I find it odd though, what could I have meant? I find that I am really unclear, even in IRL with people. That probably explains lots of people's confusion with me on here. I am just a really bad communicator.

Like I would assume people would get what I meant from what I said, that they'd see the subtleties I intended rather than others. So I wouldn't think the subtleties through

like what could I even mean

On January 17 2017 01:38 Alakaslam wrote:

I stand corrected, and return that it was mid/late game, with a different roster, not d1 with Hapa. HF was in that game though

On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote:

You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back.
- In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative.
- In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1.
- In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable.

I don't understand this train of thought at all.

On January 17 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Uh who was saying ls doesn't post links to filters as mafia? Cos he does in one of his games

On January 17 2017 02:08 Damdred wrote:


Thsi is kind of the point I was making when I said town LS is helpful where scum LS isn't really helpful and doesn't go the extra mile but meh.

On January 17 2017 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
You checked rels?

On January 17 2017 02:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, I have reasons to think every active poster is town, and I'm trying to look for any lead I can. I guess it is "shade throwing" to an outside eye. I'm just usually at a point where I have more concrete reads at this point in the game, and I just don't have them.

The closest thing I have to a scumread is Slam, but I'm very wary of the lynchbait factor there.

On January 17 2017 03:13 Onegu wrote:
Ok even if I am not onegu. How does someone scumread a person 100% on a entrance like that. Even you said so. So why would you think that if no one else does it why would onegu do it?

On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:

See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today".

Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him.

He makes sense.

But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ

On January 17 2017 06:15 Damdred wrote:


The only thing that is even remotely interesting to me is Onegu read on slam honestly. I thought slam said a couple of things that I could see come from town. Which makes his read of null but voting nad not commenting on anything in the thread else bad to me.

Especially for Onegu.

Besides that I am wafly on what I think, nothing else has piqued me right now.

On January 17 2017 06:51 Hapahauli wrote:
Rels, you give town reads out like hotcakes.

On January 17 2017 06:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Let me phrase that differently. Who are you not town-reading?

On January 17 2017 01:10 Alakaslam wrote:
And can think outside this "must have scumreads to be readable" shit false cancer meta. Or am I wrong? Are you not above that?

On January 17 2017 01:11 Alakaslam wrote:

I mean for the first time I have observed on this site since my returning.

On January 17 2017 01:37 Alakaslam wrote:

If people said this shit about you and ignored you when you finally form a solid read on chezinu, you'd never change ever sure.

You'd never get pissed sure, even if they shit on you post game. Sure.

On January 17 2017 02:18 Alakaslam wrote:

See so many people here would call this scummy. Because it "lacks commitment and scum have trouble scumreading people because they know you are town"

But sometimes you just dont have anything but townreads for a time. And jumping on people leads to ML which should be avoided if possible.

But no because D1 is always a coin flip you have to scumread anyone or why the hell couod you be town? Lol

But d1 is in fact a coin flip usually, so...

On January 17 2017 06:58 Hapahauli wrote:
If the town things you point out don't matter, why mention them at all?

On January 17 2017 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:


How am I sheepable when the only public read I've stuck with is a town read on Vivax?

On January 17 2017 07:13 Hapahauli wrote:


Nothing. I was just stating how the only read that I had on record in the thread was the Vivax one.

On August 23 2014 16:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like, i know my posts appear as bad or scummy sometimes because i do not explain myself. That is NOT scummy. All the good players do know that because they look behind the actual words - they look at the meaning of the words. Why people say the stuff they do. I ALWAYS have an agenda for the stuff i say whether or not i explain it.

Hapa is one of the few players who is REALLY good in reading into this. He just cannot do that as mafia because idk why, he just can't. Probably because he hates being mafia. In this game he is clearly showing he is not thinking about the game and those things - even though i have, in THIS GAME, said this is EXACTLY how i play. Even if it was not clear to him before this game THIS GAME SHOULD PROVE i am telling the truth.

He is not figuring out stuff how he would as town. I do not know how to explain it better as i am bad at explaining shit.
I however promised to play my best game this game and as my alignment is town you should kill Hapa with fire because he is mafia. I will tell who the rest of the mafia team is on N1. Now we lynch Hapahauli.

On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

On January 17 2017 11:15 Hapahauli wrote:
Comments. Thoughts. Questions.

15 hours is enough time to finish Day 1 strong.

@ Rels

Your wrong about my alignment, but your suspicions are right in a sense. I'm playing badly as town, and I'm going about this game the very, very wrong way. I was lost, so I was trying to ask silly stupid questions to get a lead. That's not how you get leads. Game will be pushed forward, starting now.



I have a good track record, albeit in more active towns. It's been a while since I've had my vote in the wrong place as town on Day 1. I'm not always there early on Day 1, but I'm there by the end of it.

On January 17 2017 11:54 Onegu wrote:
Oh I did see something back in those early pages I forgot to mention. It was rels Damdred/LS points. Rels goes I have no reason to town read LS but Damdred who claims he can read him is spewing him town.

But why doesnt rels ever go to the possibility that maybe Damdred can actually read LS. Just because Rels has no reason to townread LS doesnt mean Damdred doesnt. Seems like a really flimsy reason to scum read Damdred.

On January 16 2017 05:16 Damdred wrote:
Here is the thing hapa I already have a pretty solid read on me currently. And that he is probably town at this point moving forward.

How did I get here? Why thank you for asking!

You see it starts with me having bad reasons that are correct. LS makes a meta point about my play and how I react to him, ( ie of I legit push him as scum and he flips town im scum as I read him like 100%). Town point.

States things that are clear as day at points even jokes. Town point (really lacks much of this as scum).

And seems to be able to give ok if not lower thought process on current events. So he's just town.

And that went on longer than I wanted

On January 17 2017 01:07 Damdred wrote:


I actually see differently after I looked at his filter and read the thread. Yeah hes not super in tune yet with his reads being present but hes going out of his way to find examples of previous games where certain situations have occured.

Mainly dealing with me, but I think its a good sign that he is doing things like that. I think it shows the opposite of being lazy, not many people would bother to comb throughg ames to find examples of what hes talking about.

Wouldn't lynch today at all, but i think hes pretty towny currently.

On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:
Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

On January 17 2017 12:44 Alakaslam wrote:

Well I didn't vote you. I am caught up now and agree; he is also trying to lynch Hapa. No ty

##Vote: Rels

On January 17 2017 21:44 Holyflare wrote:


I'm pretty sure he re-read and said he liked some posts.

On January 17 2017 02:11 Hapahauli wrote:
Honestly, I have reasons to think every active poster is town, and I'm trying to look for any lead I can. I guess it is "shade throwing" to an outside eye. I'm just usually at a point where I have more concrete reads at this point in the game, and I just don't have them.

The closest thing I have to a scumread is Slam, but I'm very wary of the lynchbait factor there.

On January 17 2017 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.

Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.

Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.

Damdred for the posts above.

On January 17 2017 10:47 Hapahauli wrote:
I can already tell you what's going to happen today: town will lynch down the path of least resistance. Unless the mafia team is something completely fucking useless like some combination BM/Onegu/Damdred, it's very clear that nothing is being pushed aggressively to derail town, and that town is just hanging itself.

##Unvote while I re-read again for the whateverth time.

On January 17 2017 21:48 Holyflare wrote:


Right there dude.

On January 17 2017 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even think it's a town read?? It's a town read + lynch bait comment?? Lynchbait implies he's scummy but could be town which doesn't seem to fit here.

On January 17 2017 21:54 Holyflare wrote:
Also I've signed myself off work cos I have rsi sooo yay free day. Should I see passengers or la la land?

On January 17 2017 21:56 Holyflare wrote:
Repetitive strain

On January 17 2017 09:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I don't think we should lynch BM because his lynch would give absolutely no information on anything at all regardless of his alignment. Rather lynch into the active slots more or less.

On January 17 2017 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Since when is considered having no scumreads or not trying to find scum in general considered townie? Cause that's what Damdred looks like to me and Hapa said something similar at the very least and you know, he is right too.

I challenge you to find me anything resembling a scumread in Damdreds filter if you decide not to vote him off.

And HF telling me what your perspective in general was doesn't excuse that what you said about Damdreds read on LS not only misses the point of what Hapa accused him off, but also tries to argue that Damdred is town cause as mafia he doesn't townread LS. What kind of reasoning is that???

On January 17 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I feel better about Hapa, he posts very accurately and diligently which on its own wouldn't be AI but I get the feeling that it walks us through a legitimate thought process, so that's useful.

On January 17 2017 22:47 Vivax wrote:


Did he tell you that? Cause he didn't say any of the sort iirc, are you his spokesperson now? It just doesn't make sense to me how you can't be even suspicious of him in the slightest. At the very least as town he puts out a few possibilities for people to be scum, maybe adding that he won't lynch them D1 like he does with me almost all the time. But HE DOES have reads, and doesn't just kind of exist alongside us.

On January 17 2017 22:48 Hapahauli wrote:
On Slam


I don't think this makes him mafia. I spent a lot of time meta-ing him last night in drawing the conclusion that I did to vote Holyflare. His two most recent scum-games are Outlaw Mini and Mini Down Under 3. The former is quite useful, the latter he never really has any activity (and therefore not much to draw from it).

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/500627-outlaw-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam
Mafia Slam in "Outlaw" is very Bipolar. He has two moods: "TROLLY CHUZPAZI" (or however you pronounce that) and one-lined jabs at people calling them suspicious or mafia. There's actually very little emotionally in the middle of those two "modes". You'll notice he's perfectly capable of calling people suspicious and having reads as mafia.

His town games are noticeably different. He has a lot of moments of introspection, self-awareness, good humor, and even "coaching" other players.

I see a lot more of town-Slam so far than mafia-Slam.

On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.

What's your read on each other anyways?

On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Rels you're tunneled. Stop being bad.

a) You took a quote from Rayn describing my play from a game where I was a 3rd party on day 1 when I was actively looking for mafia and for all purposes town. I got lynched in that game on Day 2 when my objectives changed and therefore I stopped giving a shit about the game.
b) I don't think you realize just how bad my game is as mafia.

On January 17 2017 22:55 Hapahauli wrote:
c) "All of Hapa's stuff is forced" is just some neublous general observation that I can't even address because there isn't any clarity to it. What is forced? This is a game in which I'm trying whatever I can to get people to talk, and no shit something like that will sound forced and manufactured, because it is.

On January 16 2017 03:31 Hapahauli wrote:


Bingo. I don't think that's tense though. It's a well-established part of my game to get people talking, even if I have to force the shit out of things.

On January 16 2017 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Sure. A town thought process is straightforward.

I think "x" is mafia because "reasons."
I think "post" is scummy because "reasons."

This was not the thought process here.


This isn't straightforward. You find what I was doing "sort of scummy", but immediately discredit your own observation by stating that "you're still ruminating."

This very round-about thought process is scummy.

On January 16 2017 05:41 Hapahauli wrote:


Yes.

#1


#2


#2 is not a satisfying explanation of #1. It does not make much sense how HF can consider something "weird", yet "remarkably high level".

On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this?

On January 17 2017 01:38 Hapahauli wrote:
I need an explanation for some of your posts last night Damdred.

1)

2)

3)


You make all three of these posts last night basically back to back to back.
- In post 1, you say you are "partial" to people defending you, which implies that you liked my defense of you. You ultimately conclude that my posting was at the very least non-alignment indicative.
- In post 2, merely 4 minutes later, this you call me mafia for the same reasons as in post 1.
- In post 3, 20 minutes later, you talk about me a ton, but waffle between calling my actions scummy and calling them excusable.

I don't understand this train of thought at all.

On January 17 2017 01:41 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Slam



This is just a generalization. What posts in particular involve "reason"? Holyflare and Vivax posted a ton too - is there not "reason over emotion" in their filters?

On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:


Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site.

And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it.

On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Rels, I too can make a list of "shitty town reads" you have provided the thread and call you mafia. Your filter is "full of them." But that would make me a bad and superficial player.

On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
What you call "forced posting" is me being lost, and trying anything to get someone to talk in an inactive game. No shit that will sound forced. No shit the questions will not be pretty.

On January 17 2017 23:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Why don't you talk to me about my non-forced case on HolyFlare instead? I get the impression you're not actually paying attention to anything that me and Holyflare have actually been saying over the past 2 pages.

On January 17 2017 23:14 Hapahauli wrote:


You realize that you're speaking about one of the better town players on this site, right?

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 05:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm just gonna sit on damdred and see where it goes, it's majority shit lynch anyway.

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 20:08 Holyflare wrote:
I voted damdred for all the reasons I outlined early in the game and never moved it off him. He hadn't done much since then and so leaving my vote on him wasn't a bad thing. Nothing has changed with Damdred to be honest but in my eyes I see equal (maybe leaning scummier) points for him being both mafia or town.

On January 17 2017 23:33 Hapahauli wrote:
This is HolyFlare's story:

a) HF is suspicious of the entire thread.
b) HF sees myself (hapa) and Vivax vote Damdred.
c) HF is lazy, votes Damdred, and "sees where it goes."
d) HF sees a case against him in the morning, attacks the player who made the case because he hated that player's vote on Damdred, despite HF having made the exact same vote?!?!?

From HF himself:

On January 17 2017 23:29 Hapahauli wrote:



DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

WINARRRRRRRR

On January 18 2017 00:16 Hapahauli wrote:
I think you are town Rels, but your posts are tilting me really hard. I'm going to take a break, drive to the doctors, and be back in 45 minutes ish.

On January 18 2017 00:29 Bill Murray wrote:

wut


WUT?

vote: LightningStrike

On January 18 2017 00:31 Onegu wrote:



Yeah Im not doing either of these things...

Getting my son ready My mom will be here to pick him up in 45min to a hour and take him out to the store. Then. ILL BE BACK!

On January 18 2017 00:33 Bill Murray wrote:

ill vote where i want.

On January 18 2017 00:48 Bill Murray wrote:
can u all wait to lynch until i catch up at least...

On January 18 2017 00:53 Holyflare wrote:


This comes back in my first post of the day bro?

On January 18 2017 00:59 Bill Murray wrote:

this is a stretch

you're claiming someone is going to break their entire integrity/pride/analytical ability on a whim in a small game? damdred may have been reaching early, but this is [oops]reach level reaching

On January 18 2017 00:59 Bill Murray wrote:

love how you can read people who have yet to post

id like to learn how to do that

On January 18 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:


How have I not taken it into account? In the post I accuse hapa I outline (not clearly at all) about 4 reasons damdred is mafia and 2-3 damdred is town (one of them being his ls read). I left my vote afk on damdred because:

A) coinflippy
B) pressure is great
C) don't actually know damdred's alignment

The meta thing is absolutely not a reason to solely town read damdred but it's something to ANALYTICALLY weigh up.

Hapa's reasons for voting unvoting damdred are.....? Lazy/sheeping posts and thread presence?

Ok rels.

On January 18 2017 01:06 Bill Murray wrote:

yeah but why am i towards scum in the null row ? :/

On January 18 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote:


that's not the point at all wtf?

it's that there's MANY MANY MANY REASONS that aren't "the thread ain't saying shit" that have would a change on your stance on a person, the LS read being ONE OF THESE

hapa mentions NONE

NOT ONE

NADA

ZILCH

he states multiple times that he has an issue scum reading people in this game WHILE HIGHLIGHTING REASONS TO SCUM READ PEOPLE

On January 18 2017 01:13 Vivax wrote:
I believe we can agree that lynching Slam is off the table. Looks to me like he does care about the game.

On January 18 2017 01:14 Holyflare wrote:
rels just outline like five bullet points why you're voting me and don't say you've already posted why

On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:


??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

He never mentions this argument once. Never discusses anything about damdred. Never talks about anything to do with damdred other than to damdred himself. His reason to vote damdred is solely that damdred is sheeping ME (another argument being that if damdred is solely sheeping me, why am I the mafia?). That's his only argumentation on voting damdred. There are many points in the thread that can make you lean one way or the other in damdred and each of them has some sort of effect on what you think of damdred. At all points in the game a good player, such as hapa, looks at these points and objectively weighs them up, makes an informed decision and a vote.

What do we get from hapa? That he's struggling to find reasons that someone is mafia? That he can't see one bit of information in this thread that could make him lean one way or the other one someone?

I think that's an utter crock of shit. I have so many "scum reads" because there's so much already information in this thread that people could go on that's already been made and can be used. Hapa doesn't even look at these points either he just accuses me of doing nothing with it while not even exploring to think it's right and then his return is just that I'm "omgusing" him when it's not like that at all because these are actual legit reasons to scum read hapa THAT YOU SHARED.

On January 18 2017 01:22 Holyflare wrote:



good for you because I wholeheartedly disagree

what has he done in his return? comment on a thing say dingdinding and leave again after you switched? that's called getting the mafia objective done and leaving again

On January 18 2017 01:36 Bill Murray wrote:

can you ellaborate on this? thanks

On January 18 2017 01:37 Bill Murray wrote:

wow ... calm down... nobody likes this or needs this in this thread

On January 18 2017 01:26 Rels wrote:

He had a few posts that felt really townie. When he was tilted. Then the joy when I finally got your weird read.
He didn't attack me when I was the easy target. In fact, he didn't attack the easy targets. He attacked you. Probably the hardest target of all if you're town.
His post where he went "IDK what to do I kinda think everyone is town" was townie.
He looked into Slam meta even though Slam was never the main lynch.

On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new

outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia

we'll meet in the middle

On January 18 2017 01:52 Vivax wrote:
Addendum: It was one of the reasons he unvoted Damdred for.

And it's a pretty bad reason in my opinion given that the wagon had at most three people, one of them with a meaningless vote. So speaking of thread direction is a stretch.

On January 18 2017 02:00 Vivax wrote:
Make it one vote as one of the two besides me was Hapa himself.

That makes the argument absolutely ridiculous actually.

On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

On January 18 2017 02:16 Holyflare wrote:


I literally linked a post where that's a lie. Please read.

On January 18 2017 02:20 Vivax wrote:


You're doing it for the third time I can count. You're ignoring new evidence.

On January 18 2017 02:20 Bill Murray wrote:

agreed but then again

look at this game? it's for "who is the best on teamliquid" in a sense

So of any game to tryhard in, it's this

On January 18 2017 02:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I willing to get lynched if you guys need more time hapa vs hf.

On January 18 2017 02:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Lw: Lynch hapa or hf day 2 then lynch Damdred.

On January 18 2017 02:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm probably foolish, but ls swing on hf to just steeping hapa and not really doing much else made me think scrum thatvrricked me earlier.

It sucks but yeah. I should have more time to catch up in a few.

On January 18 2017 02:48 Vivax wrote:


But yes I actually believed there were three mafia <_<

On January 18 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know if vivax is mafia either but it seems the most likely

the thing is in this exact same hosted game (championship qualifier 1) someone made the same mistake and dumb telled himself town but he was a COMPLETE noob, I don't know if vivax took a dose of stupid fucking moron pills to think 1/3 of the game was mafia or not but yeah it's unlikely

On January 18 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
I kind of like the cut of bm's jib at the moment and he seemed super up for hashing things out at deadline which I really liked.

On January 18 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
I feel that if onegu was mafia he just joins the wagon on me and gets me out of the way because that's the easiest thing in the world to do but need to talk to him

On January 18 2017 20:25 Vivax wrote:
I'm stuck between deciding on Rels being sloppy townie or mafia. The "stayed at work to see flip" reads townie to me, but so far I could count three times where he didn't notice new information in the thread. Also huge lack of paranoia on HF.



And this post for example is hard to make sense of cause LS is saying to lynch Damdred in it.

But it's one of the reasons for him to support LS lynch.

On January 18 2017 23:20 Vivax wrote:


Can you tell me if my vote on Hapa was odd or scummy enough to disregard my entire D1 play?
What's it like from your perspective, I really need that input from anyone not Hapa/HF

On January 18 2017 06:01 Onegu wrote:
The martyr post. You are wrong. It was just posted right before that Rels would lynch me if not HF. It was in response to that post that I would rather be lynched than HF.

On January 18 2017 02:06 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont want to lynch onegu i think hes town

On January 18 2017 02:09 Bill Murray wrote:

agreed and agreed

personally, guys, i dont want to lynch HF right now

he is playing better and more townie than some (damdred, ls, alakaslam) to name 3