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Something that stuck out to me looking over Vivax's filter
On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies.
But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them.Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:
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I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely.
I was town leaning both ika and SW earlier, but this post gives me the heebee jeebees. The thread turned against/piled onto Grack following the huge stubborn standoffishness Grack pulled against Ika/SW and their refusal to back off at all. Likewise, i felt like SW/ika also stirred the pot up with Vivax over something by claiming it was scum motivated (Vivax questioning my reasoning for a read = "hard defending and town reading" ika) that in retrospect was town motivated and reasonable.
When I think of mafia rationale, especially D1, it's to cause a lot of ruckus in the wrong places.
Now we have a dead doc and an active town who seemed to be starting to sour on SW at least, and a basically confirmed D2 lynch. It seems like EVERYTHING happened in the wrong places.
Meh, maybe i'm letting the paranoia take over. I think it's important to re-read how the Grack lynch went down pre btdt cc + Show Spoiler +but that also involves reading like 3 pages of flame lol
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On January 09 2017 10:29 Kmatt wrote:
It was a gamble. If I hit scum!Vivax we pull a double kill. If I whiff and kill a town alongside mafia we're doubly in the hole. With the double whiff from both parties we basically broke even since now the game is as if I was a VT. The alternative is, as you said, take the easy shot and play the game out normal. I went for the jackpot and came back empty handed.
Lesson learned, let's hope
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No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt
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On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes.
Alright well show us the way, master
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I'm also around for a while
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Yea ME's response reminds me of Grack's response to similar questions. It actually kinda gives me towny vibes tbh. The tone seems pretty idgaf
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Well if btdt flips scum then i would be even more suspicious of the other people who were up for lynch. That would be b0ston and KSC iirc, cuz btdt would probably be a mafia goon trying to save his GF or RB from a D1 lynch.
If he flips town, i'm not sure where to look considering how bad of a play it was. Probably the people I was suspicious of pre claim/cc and those who didn't really take sides or sat it out. Not sure who that is yet, i'll take a look
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On January 10 2017 04:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:37 darthfoley wrote:
Yea ME's response reminds me of Grack's response to similar questions. It actually kinda gives me towny vibes tbh. The tone seems pretty idgaf I didn't read his emotional response as "idgaf" since he literally goes "lynch ika then me"
Well telling the town to lynch you ever sounds pretty idgaf lol, especially followed with a poetic, "fuck you"
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Yea actually I do have a question for you Ika.
On January 08 2017 06:09 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:
There's no one left here.
I am the Doctor
This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed.
Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. Not really? Honestly i dont see many people agreeing with us. I see more of it being "well we do our own reason but have same conclusions" If you want to pull quotes to disprove this go ahead
This post feels awkward. Like Grack, your scum read at the time, claimed doc and you quote the specific post and don't even address the doc part. You address his swika TR/SR associative thing. Like there's no reaction... it just seems very different from other people in the thread at the time
why?
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On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now
Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town
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On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
fuck off dude. if you wanted to not waste D2 you could've not wasted d2.
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On January 10 2017 07:34 Kmatt wrote:
I'm going through filters now and it just occurred to me that KSC made his last post on the 6th. If he doesn't make three posts within this cycle he gets modkilled IIRC. I can't say how long the line for Subway is but you need to pick your topping and get the hell in this thread.
this sentence is truly amazing
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Ugh this is especially frustrating because the effort from btdt just seems too much for scum to do when they know they're gonna die, unless he wants to set up uber wifom.
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On January 11 2017 04:55 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:07 beentheredonethat wrote:reps)squishy should be lynched with fire. This is out of the question. On January 06 2017 16:53 reps)squishy wrote:On January 06 2017 10:41 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:19 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:
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yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate I can't tell whether you're being serious or blowing me off here or both. If it's the former, I'd like to hear the rationale for that. nah not being serious, you just had no chill so it was fun to mess with you a bit. i thought your first post about michael was pretty good so your pretty towny to me. everyone else is suspect though. especially that kmatt dude If you think kmatt is suspect why did you vote Grack? cos silverwolf blew the whole thing wide open with his theory that maybe earlier posting was scum and not later posting. So I perfectly fused the two theories and my calculations said that 4th post was most likely mafia. You want a graph? I find this a bit scummy. He really can't get any leads from this and just throws out numbers. I do not think this logic is sound whatsoever. It would be fine if it was just begging of the game meme, but he actually did vote for Grack. Of topic: Typing Grack reminded me of this + Show Spoiler + So there's this huge conversation going on. Quote and quote and quote. And he "finds this a bit scummy." Why would you take a post that is obviously trolly so seriously? But he does: On January 07 2017 05:13 reps)squishy wrote:On January 07 2017 04:38 Kmatt wrote:
Grackaroni
Still waiting on more. Like with SW, I don't scumread this guy enough to vote him, but I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him. A bit too quick to jump the gun but I've done that myself and everyone plays D1 differently.
Kelsier's logic was based on Ika's questionnaire people who responded early would be town. Then I think it was SW said maybe to opposite mafia would want to respond quickly. So Kelsier "perfectly fused the two theories to make the 4th person who respond mafia. Grack just unfortunately posted 4th which Kelsier humorously then voted for him. So do you also believe in the post too early or too late you are possible scum so the in between is where it is at? If you don't believe Kelsier's hypothesis then this statement "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him." is not all that true I am not out to lynch Kelsier, just his lynch vote is not based on any logic or read I would find compelling. Townreads Onegu in a weird way: + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way: Then, weird "suspicions that are not AI" on Vivax: On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:@Grackaroni/b]
your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here.
On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch.
I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie? Being lazy here, but I'd lynch him at any point. [b]I do not like his motives for voting the 4th person. I took it seriously because he did lay down a vote because of that reasoning. So I criticized it. I don't want other people following this hoopla. I was also worried Grack's "I can see why Kelsier wouldn't like him" meant other people were following Kelsiers unorthodox logic. I did take 1gu's VT claim to heart until I found out it is NAI. Having suspicions and not saying they are AI is scummy? I don't equate suspicions to AI. That is my own opinion if you don't agree, let us agree to disagree, because the last thing we need is an argument over semantics.
His point is that people often vote randomly early game, just to be trolls or whatever, but you took it more seriously than it deserved at the time. Scum often want to seem like they're scum hunting, so going for someone that is trolling early game is kind of low hanging fruit and something I could see you trying to do to seem helpful.
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On January 11 2017 04:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other.
This is basically what i'm paranoid about... there is no paranoia between them lol
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Can I get the current scum reads of both SW and ika... separately if possible?
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On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when
1) You think he's mafia
2) He's 1000% getting lynched today
This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt.
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On January 11 2017 05:55 Calix wrote:
I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying.
What do you make of SW's response to btdt, considering my post ^
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On January 11 2017 06:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:On January 11 2017 05:23 SilverWolf77 wrote:
That case on ika is incredibly bad ME. I'll let him address it though but that's my opinion on it. It looks really fabricated and scummy.
bdtd-I'm here and if you think I'm avoiding the thread or trying not to do anything, then you are misrepping me badly. I have no problem addressing all your points in detail and anything else anyone wants to talk about.
First, I don't believe your roleblock claim because you lied about being the doc getting the real doc lynched, then claimed cop, then claimed VT, then claimed cop, then VT and now you say you are roleblocked. I don't believe a word you say. I think you should be lynched. Period. You've been lying all game. You have been flailing ever since. So no, I'm not going to reconsider wanting to lynch you.
There is nothing wrong with my Onegu filter. I had no read on him. That's how I got one. null town just means he is leaning town but has a lot of null posts so it isn't a strong townread. I went from null to town on him and I showed how I got there. I did the same on Squishy-I had no read and kept going back and forth-so now I have one. Town should always be reanalyzing their reads and make sure they are correct. If you don't know what null town means, you need to ask me instead of making false assumptions about it. You must be o.k. with my Reps filter since you said nothing about it.
I'm not the least afraid of pressuring Onegu or doing something this day phase. That is just serious misrep and it's scummy as hell. I have been here and am willing to answer any question directed at me including discussion of my reads and posts on filters, etc. You are basically calling one of the most active players afraid to do something. Yeah, no.
You saying it's incredibly scummy that I'm not feeling well and tired is BS. I have been sick for two days and have been going to the hospital everyday for radiation therapy. DO NOT EVER go after me for real life again.
You saying my townread on ika is scummy is complete crap since you also have a townread on him. I'm not praising ika at all-again complete and total misrep. I'm explaining why I think he's town because I have extensive experience with him. As far as paranoia goes or being too sure he's town, he's my strongest townread based on nearly 100 posts he's put into this game and my experience with him. If I had said right away, I think he's town, you'd have a point but I didn't.
That last part is me telling you to give reads if your town and the fact that you didn't was me thinking you are scum. Also, you went after me for RL again. I was at the dr. office so I couldn't post more than that. If that's the only thing I posted all day, I could let it go BUT I've been doing more than that. You are just ignoring it to fit your narrative that I'm trying to look active. Considering how many posts I've put into this game, that's just completely wrong.
I believe you are selectively pointing out posts I made this day phase and shifting them to fit your narrative that they are scummy when they are clearly town oriented and that's scummy as shit. Get lynched.
Why you feel the need to go through his post point by point and refute it all when 1) You think he's mafia 2) He's 1000% getting lynched today This just feels a little too defensive for my liking. Can you focus on someone besides btdt? Like what do you make of Calix/ME/B0ston etc... anyone that isn't BTDT. If you're town literally the last thing we need is to continue to tilt. I've already said I think scum are in ME, B0ston, btdt, Kelsier group. I am going to go through yours, Calix, ME, B0ston filters before day end to make sure I still feel that way. I'm also paying attention to the Calix/ME interaction. And why on Earth would a town member not respond to points made against them? Ignoring stuff like that is scummy. I don't care who it's from. Like, I fully expect ika to respond to ME's points on him no matter what he thinks of ME when he get in here next.
ika responding to ME is not the same as you writing a wall of text towards someone you think is scum and who is also getting for certain lynched in 3 hours lol.
Yea i'm also gonna go through Calix/ME/Onegu's filters later.
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