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On December 27 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote: Hi, claiming VT please don't kill me day 1 as VT again. Well those of us who aren't mafia are all VT at this point. Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! | ||
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On December 27 2016 10:01 Time Traveler wrote: Also, it's not true that we're all VT for sure. Hosts could already have implemented a bill which added new roles. Pretty sure that's not possible, or we'd know. "These will be added to the game when the phase ends (day/night post)" We haven't had a phase end yet, so I doubt any bill is implemented | ||
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On December 27 2016 11:03 ExO_ wrote: like its the first few hours of day 1 and you're all already inactive? Jesus Christ. Somebody talk with me before I lose my mind Yea I find it rather annoying. I'm here tonight if you want to talk about anything specifically | ||
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Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it. Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays. I prefer Grack so far to be most town | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:24 ExO_ wrote: I want to know, so I know what to compare it to (and in the case of timetraveler to figure out if its a smurf or not). And it's hardly the only thing I'm asking for. The votes on Koshi are silly thus far? Then you think this is consistent with his town play? Or do you have somebody you are scum reading harder? Well generally I think voting off of one post is a little much. I share your concern, considering Koshi's usual town play style is aggressive and quite good, but there's so much time left in the day. I like Grack because he pointed out that people are putting pressure on Koshi, but not Alakaslam even though they had similar openings. | ||
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On December 27 2016 13:37 ExO_ wrote: Why? I'm not able to get a good read on slam, b/c I feel like slam is always like this (from my personal experience). Grack doesn't appear to be scum hunting, or even remotely interested in scum hunting. Look at how he responds to my questioning of him: by town reading me and that's it. I don't think voting Koshi was a bad place to start. If you were lynching someone right now, who would you choose and why? I appreciate your aggressiveness but like half the game hasn't posted yet, so current reads are very shallow. Off the top of my head, my most lynchable would pr Badly be LS. | ||
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Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen). I do find this post a bit odd, however. On December 27 2016 15:10 Tictock wrote: This guy gets it. Darth you are gunna be my buddy this game I can feel it. Though tbh I don't think anyone has been terribly towny just yet. sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny? | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:37 Grackaroni wrote: I think what he was saying was that he agreed with everything you said minus the part about me. I think I'll actually be so bold as to extend an early town lean to TickTock. Oh, i see what you mean. But then like 2 seconds later he town reads you too | ||
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On December 27 2016 15:42 ExO_ wrote: Also Grackaroni is really fucking weird to me. I don't know what to make of him just buddying right up to Ticktock. I'd like an explanation as to why he's townreading ticktock and that's his only read right now Uhhh. If anything, TT is buddying me and grack | ||
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Believe me, if he continues to be lackluster, sure we can seriously talk about him. I just find the way you're honing in on things odd. Like, you're so set on Koshi, but you haven't mentioned Superbia once. Let me remind you of his towny filter. On December 27 2016 07:39 Superbia wrote: Wow I'm rolling mafia. Please don't lynch me. ![]() On December 27 2016 09:00 Superbia wrote: conf town On December 27 2016 09:01 Superbia wrote: Nice flavor hosts wow etc. Give me PR pls. On December 27 2016 09:06 Superbia wrote: Yeh fuck slot 7 Yet you have ignored this. How is this not equally scummy, if not moreso, than Koshi? | ||
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On December 27 2016 16:02 Grackaroni wrote: I like to think of it as a buddying triangle. make it a buddy threesome and you have yourself a deal | ||
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On December 27 2016 16:22 ExO_ wrote: I find it really odd that you include yourself in that buddy triangle. I certainly never did. Up until this point, you were one of my strongest town reads. and I want to say you still are. But something about auto-associating yourself in a group that I never associated you with reads odd to me. Strongest Scum Read is tick tock. Grack I'm scum reading as well. I'm null on slam, because I've found his play nonsensical and unreadable in the past. Koshi I lean scum, but I'm more interested in getting him to post more. The only strong town read I had was you DarthFoley. You're the only other person who I think is actively scum hunting, and questioning everything. But why, why did you throw yourself in that buddy ring and say I was the one putting you there....it makes no sense to me My point was that I disagree with you saying Grack was buddying Ticktock. I was arguing that Ticktock is the one buddying both me and grack. | ||
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Grack is not the one buddying. Ticktock is. Don't know how else to say it | ||
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Grackaroni Timetraveler GB Null Chez Koshi ExO Superbia Alakaslam LS No particular order, something like that atm | ||
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On December 28 2016 03:38 Superbia wrote: More specifically this question seems kinda forced and is never answered/addressed. TT still goes to #1 town on darth's list though. + Show Spoiler + On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote: Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy. Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen). I do find this post a bit odd, however. sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny? The question actually was addressed by Grack, and I even made a post saying that I misunderstood the tone of the end of TT's post. I also blatantly stated that I wasn't ordering my reads, just putting them into groups. Feels like you're fishing | ||
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On December 28 2016 03:45 Superbia wrote: Koshi what happened to your low activity playstyle promise? He has like two posts this game lol. This is still much lower activity than usual for Koshi. ??? | ||
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Not defending, more so calling out what I perceive to be bullshit | ||
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On December 28 2016 03:55 Superbia wrote: So either: 1. The original question was benign (and for what reason?) and you had no real doubts about TT's alignment. If so, why did you ask the question? Or 2. You flipped your doubt on TT based on something grack posted. If so, why did you let another person dissuade you from pursuing a read? What I'm essentially getting at is: why did you ask that question at that point in time? I put the question mark on the end of that because I was unclear whether I was understanding Ticktock's point correctly , pretty simple | ||
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On December 28 2016 04:09 Superbia wrote: Why is it bullshit? A list post is not "low activity" imo. Pretty half-assed way of pressuring me imo. I don't necessarily dislike it, but don't let it deteriorate into semantics. A list post like that may not be "low activity" in a vacuum, but I view it as low activity for a player like Koshi. | ||
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On December 28 2016 04:12 Superbia wrote: Seems like you were pointing out a contradiction imo. And contradictions are usually associated with scum. But that's not what you were doing then? I was pointing out a potential contradiction, if I understood what TT meant correctly. I misunderstood him, hence the concern waned I have already concluded this discussion with Grack and TT and neither seemed to have an issue with it. | ||
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On December 28 2016 04:52 Grackaroni wrote: But DF was also saying that TT was buddying me and him, so I don't know whether he was trying to call that scummy or not. The whole buddying idea was started because I said to ExO, if anyone is buddying, it's TT not Grack. I don't really think TT's buddying was that serious. Was more so saying, if you think Grack is buddying, you should really think TT was buddying too Bye Superbia lol | ||
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On December 28 2016 05:18 ExO_ wrote: I'm no awake. How anybody can scum read me at this point is insane. Esp for those getting focused on me asking about where other players came from: It was the start of the game and I backed off from it when I didn't think it would lead anywhere. Ignoring all of my other arguments and points and focusing on that is scum alignment indicative in my mind. Disinfo trying to get a joke lynch on me going doesn't seem towny at all to me. Does anybody get town vibes at all from him? Because I don't see it. Hard choice between TT and disinfo for me right now. I'd be okay with lynching either Also for those paying attention chez should be confirmed town, for a reason that I'm not sure is fair. But all is fair amongst siblings I guess. Though I feel like mentioning this borders on breaking the laws we're supposed to create, I feel like I must mention it. Well please go on, unless this is one of those middle school secrets where you want everyone to know that you know something, but then won't tell anyone :p | ||
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On December 28 2016 06:04 ExO_ wrote: Reading chez is impossible based on his post. I'm not sure if its worth it at this point in time. There are better targets to lynch right now: Disinfo/TT Disinfo right now I do not think your posts have helped town at all. But indulge me. If you really aren't scum and are just town playing "HURR DURR IM SARCASTIC ON DAY1" then tell me your read on TickTock and why Also haven't been a huge fan of Dis, but can you explain or quote to your reasoning on TT? I think he's one of the townier people so far. | ||
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On December 28 2016 06:11 Grackaroni wrote: Alright I'm going to go do other stuff. I will confront Koshi later. He called me a triple mafia. That's bullshit. At most I am a single mafia. He's saying you're the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of Brown all in one mafia. | ||
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On December 28 2016 07:01 Grackaroni wrote: I actually have to go soon though, so we're going to have to speed the scheduled confrontation up or postpone it. What are your reads? | ||
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On December 28 2016 09:06 Chezinu wrote: I know I have been aways for a while, but is pressure voting so scarce now that it is of concern? If this is the case, this makes pressure voting even more powerful. I view "pressure voting" as useless because I rarely see it force someone into doing anything. Especially D1 | ||
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On December 28 2016 09:49 Chezinu wrote: So guys, I was playing on chrome on my laptop in bed and fell asleep. When I awoke, I read the Grack. Afterwards, I understand the best ideas are found in the bathroom. I seem to be the only one pushing for expounding ideas to be made into bills and eventually law in this game. But this does not mean I will stop, <insert motto>. Are you advocating we send our lovely hosts a Christmas wishlist of things we'd like added? | ||
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On December 28 2016 10:35 LightningStrike wrote: Nothing really was going on and post game of the other game just started. @Darth thoughts on Koshi? We're generally seeing the game similarly, outside of you and grack. I've never played against scum!koshi though, so I'm not really sure what to expect. Either way I don't see him being a D1 lynch unless he uber scum slips somehow | ||
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On December 28 2016 10:37 Chezinu wrote: LOLOLOLOL YES!!!1 I've been talking about that sense pregrame!! You sir have ruling capabilities, albeit a bit a later.. but a decision made nonetheless. What seeds would you like added to the agricultural landscape of magnificent beauty in the realm of Brown? | ||
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On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing. So Koshi is bussing his partner D1, being the first person to seriously discuss Grack = mafia? Or are you saying they're on different teams? | ||
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On December 28 2016 11:08 Alakaslam wrote: Not Alignment Indicative. Hey btw people are misunderstanding chezinu Enlighten us | ||
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Koshi GB TT ExO Chez? I'm Grack? The problem is that my list of D1 of off limits people is quite small. I was town reading Grack earlier, but I do need to reread his filter. Also don't necessarily trust Koshi at this point, do not sure. Either way I think there are better lynches today. We have two people who are so sick they can't play! While that may be true, it's also such a mafia play. Especially getting sick on lynch day. Especially when they both say, "it's fine if you lynch me." I know it's WIFOMy but I kinda don't mind policy lynching people who tell me to lynch them. These would be Superbia and disformation. Atm I also think Time Traveler is a good lynch. I don't remember him adding anything to the game-- not even trolling. Could easily be mafia Alakaslam is also a good lynch. I hate wasting lynches on trolly people but we don't have a vigi currently and who knows what our glorious hosts may grace us with. If we do get something like a vigi, perhaps we wait on Slam. Btdt... well, he might just get modkilled. Nothing to say about someone who hasn't posted once since confirming. Find this very odd considering you have to confirm to have the game start. | ||
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On December 29 2016 02:47 ExO_ wrote: why shouldn't we lynch chez? I put him in the same boat as slam, I'd like to hear why you think we should spare him Less sure about Chez on my list, but iirc he's made some posts that are slightly less trolly than usual. Slam has been total garbage posts so far ayy lmao | ||
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He hones in on one sentence of mine and that Koshi posted a list post. That's literally all the analysis he's done. The rest is mechanics and banter fluff. This was before he supposedly got sick. (Mafia can get sick too!) I don't know why anyone is town reading him. ##Vote: Superbia | ||
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1a. Yea,basically. Plus you've literally done nothing but push shit on me. The only thing that makes me a little less sure is that you're trying to get people to lynch me, when i've been almost universally townread so far. That's definitely not the easy way out, so perhaps i'm wrong on you. 1b. Unwilling to push anything on you when we're both around? Wtf is this point? I interacted with you when you pushed me, when you said something about Koshi that I found a scummy point. I've interacted with you more than most people in this thread. Just ctrl + F superbia in my filter. 1c. Not my fault you got yourself killed for surface level ez town points. 2. I don't know what this has to do with me being mafia? I'm on the fence on disformation and i'm rereading his filter currently. 3. What AI things have you done? Getting yourself briefly out of a bastard game by doing some bet with the hosts? Cool, man. Your "actual activity" is definitely taken into account in all of these posts. On December 29 2016 05:21 darthfoley wrote: Somehow everyone has forgotten that Superbia's filter is pretty ass. It's actually very ass. He hones in on one sentence of mine and that Koshi posted a list post. That's literally all the analysis he's done. The rest is mechanics and banter fluff. This was before he supposedly got sick. (Mafia can get sick too!) I don't know why anyone is town reading him. ##Vote: Superbia What am I missing from your filter? | ||
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I agree with Ticktock that BTDT's post is utter garbage; I'd be willing to consolidate on someone who opted out of D1 after confirming two days ago | ||
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On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing. this post man??? Grack did a better job of pointing out the inconsistencies it assumes, but c'mon like what | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:38 Grackaroni wrote: I don't like that first he was calling me scum for being Koshi's scum partner and now he's saying that I'm scum because my Koshi fight seems like it's between town and scum. Those are opposite reasons but I always seem to end up the lynch over Koshi. yea basically this | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:46 Tictock wrote: Yea he never said you were Scum with Koshi. No idea where you got that, I just ignored that you thought that till now. Seemed more like he was swayed by Koshi's case after being sus on you kus of your defense of Koshi early on. I do agree LS is pretty suspect though, and I only see people Town reading him kus of meta. which annoys me | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:48 disformation wrote: well. we dont have like a clear/strong town leader and we have a fuckton of afks. so scum probably doesnt need to do a whole lot here. that is also quite possible | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:48 disformation wrote: still felt different from what you have done last game. I feel like it would be much EASIER to change your scum play after just being caught as mafia; you're hyper aware of your tells, etc. I don't know why this is your defense of him. I know it's WIFOMy and kinda damned if you do/don't, but why would LS ever attempt another baby rage after getting shot down so easily like yesterday. Of course his scum play would look different right after, ESPECIALLY on D1 when it's easy to blend into 13 people. | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:52 ExO_ wrote: K I'm home for the last hour. BTDT is completely afk right, can somebody explain why we're lynching him? I'd rather lynch slam/chez and see if btdt can get replaced he posted a shit "omg i didn't know the game started!" post like 30 min ago so he won't be replaced | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:55 Grackaroni wrote: I think I have to assume at this point that a Koshi lynch isn't happening, which makes me very dissappoint. But meh. I actually quite like your case on Koshi. I'm just conflicted on whether he should be a d1 lynch | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote: isn't it a 3 post minimum though? As per the rules? Won't he still get replaced with only 1? Either way I guess I'm okay with this Can you quote that from the OP? I can't find it | ||
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I will look for 3 posts per cycle. Send me a PM if you have real life issues pending. Time Cycle This game will start as 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes after the deadline will not count and the game will be put on hold until the night post is up. The deadline for each cycle will be 16:00 EST (-05:00) . See setup post for more information on that Well, as of now it seems like btdt will be replaced or modkilled, so we probably shouldn't lynch him | ||
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I will look for 3 posts per cycle. Send me a PM if you have real life issues pending. Time Cycle This game will start as 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes after the deadline will not count and the game will be put on hold until the night post is up. The deadline for each cycle will be 16:00 EST (-05:00) . See setup post for more information on that | ||
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On December 28 2016 06:23 LightningStrike wrote: You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town. Yet you haven't tunneled anyone. You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward. | ||
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I'm basically between btdt/LS/other inactive people ##unvote | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I might be tunneled atm but I been pushing grack all day was pushing Koshi yesterday. Why would scum!Grack defend town!Koshi early d1? | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:12 disformation wrote: have you read LS filter like at all? Pray tell me where I am mistaken, for I just finished reading through is filter, and it's a whole lot of meh | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:15 disformation wrote: I should go to bed. specifically i dislike the "Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward." because i feel it is not true at all Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points? | ||
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You like my point about LS and Koshi's bad case on Grack, but dislike my second line? What else has LS else this game dude? | ||
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Most of what you just quoted is confined to two players, and a widely read town player. Color me not impressed | ||
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One page filter, won't get NK'd if he is town because of the suspicion he draws. Also no blues so don't have to worry about that. Only case is on Grack. Not happy with D1 but this is the way the cookie crumbles. | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:40 ExO_ wrote: DF can you explain to me why LS lynch btw? I'm not sure I'm going to be comfortable moving votes as the deadline gets within the 5 minute window but what am I missing about LS? It was mainly because I feel like his filter has been very carefully limited to talking about you (who most people view as town), and Koshi v. Grack. I also think Grack is way more townie at this point, so not sure why LS views the two completely opposite to me. He's had a few town things to point to: the point of voting btdt, for example | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:48 Chezinu wrote: Where are the mafia counter wagons?!?!?! Fair point, but 12 min before the deadline is a little desperate for mafia | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:49 Tictock wrote: Your vote was quite opportunistic and have not really brought any scum hunting to the table yourself. Honestly if it weren't for this being your first game you would probably be the lynch right now. That is the only thing holding me back ATM and I'm wondering if that isn't completely wrong right now. I'm also not terribly keen on D1 lynching Koshi as I don't think he has really been scummy at all. He has fooled me in the past though....bleh. You liked his case on Grack? Cuz that's about all he's done. I thought Grack's defense was quite good and pointed out instances of cherry picking and contradictions tbh | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:54 ExO_ wrote: .....the fuck is this disinfo shit. DF/Grack can you guys move to Koshi please? I did move to Koshi, hasn't been updated! | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote: you need to ##Unvote and ##Vote Koshi right now you are still on LS yea, just did. this is fucked | ||
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On December 29 2016 08:58 disformation wrote: alright whatever. dunno. hope we are right. -.- + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:13 Superbia wrote: Uninstalllllll I thought you were asleep | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:14 beentheredonethat wrote: okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why also grack you're fine with a koshi train and not even trying to make the LS train happen although you'd rather have lynched him? great job disformation lynching koshi although being wishywashy as fuck and even being a crybaby that votes himself wow You did a great job of subverting your lynch lol | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:20 beentheredonethat wrote: Point taken. Can you now not disregard my valid points? Thank you. I have regarded them. I actually agree with both your points of grack and disformation. Disformation was especially WTF for me. Who are you singling out with your first post? TimeTraveler? | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:19 Superbia wrote: Yes I can. There were so many questionable people and koshi was the most townie yea in no way was Koshi the most towny. | ||
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On December 29 2016 09:27 Grackaroni wrote: How much should we read into Disfo voting himself? That makes me kind of hesitant on him. I view it as similar to Superbia's Host bet thing. NAI imo. Also Alakaslam really needs to step it up because sliding by with an ass filter and no vote on D1 is terrible | ||
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On December 29 2016 10:15 Tictock wrote: Humm this is true. Though this only makes LS mafia if BtDt is mafia. Also only mostly mafia. And what the hell were you doing voting Koshi? I made myself pretty clear that I thought the best lynch was between LS/Koshi. I thought his filter was bad in length and in content considering his only big addition was the case on Grack which had many inconsistencies that Grack defended well. Now that Koshi flipped town I'll have to reevaluate Grack. I find it ironic that after the no info boogieman line was trotted out, we find ourselves in a situation where the information is still incredibly muddled considering we only had one lynch train, random one voters and an unhealthy amount of AFKs near deadline | ||
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On December 29 2016 10:27 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry Koshi. I should've defended you Why didn't you? | ||
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It's true that Koshi had already posted much of his filter by then, but I hadn't really thoroughly read over Grack's response to him at that point; plus Grack's persistence against his points today swayed me. The only reason I had him on my no lynch list was sort of a reverse policy lynch (I.e. I won't lynch Koshi on D1) but with no consolidation, a ton of afks and LS point about btdt, I thought Koshi was the best realistic lynch today | ||
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On December 29 2016 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi was never the best realistic lynch today I guess I would put btdt above Koshi in terms of being a realistic lynch, but we can thank LS and btdt for not letting that happen ![]() | ||
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On December 29 2016 11:10 Time Traveler wrote: That definitely makes me want to prove my utility. Good, start talking about stuff | ||
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On December 29 2016 11:20 Tictock wrote: I dunno about realistic as that lynch was basically totally up in the air until the last fifteen min. I do wish we had lynched BtDt now though. He fought way too hard to stay in a game he had forgotten about and only cared to put a throwaway vote in. This is actually quite a good point. He went from not remembering we had a game going to uber activity 1hr before deadline as his name was on the block. He also appealed to his authoritative solid "gut" read on Koshi not being town. I kinda can't believe we got cold feet on him All in all I think a btdt lynch would now give us a fair amount of information and a good chance of lynching scum who tried to skate by and successfully did so. | ||
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On December 29 2016 11:18 Irresistible Object wrote: You hear around you: "Do not worry, my children, for your savior has arrived. Evil dwells in the darkness, but I have come to be the light that illuminates your path. If you have doubts, you only have to ask and I will give you infinite knowledge." I am asking | ||
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On December 29 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote: It's more than that. Koshi made a case on him plus my add on also dis did add a good point his progression on the lynching of Koshi 1 hour before EoD was very odd considering I was his biggest scumread yet he wasn't pushing me that hard. In addition he said he would switch to Koshi but doesn't do it till much later than he said he would switch. Koshi flipping green does not take away from the fact that there were pretty big logical holes in his argument on his Grack case. For example, he said he had no idea who Grack thought was mafia, then two lines later said Grack was scumreading you. I often get cold feet near EoD when there's only one wagon in similar circumstances so in retrospect I don't have as big of a problem with his EoD as I previously remembered. I agree with dis in the sense that the wording of "primary goal" sounds quite odd from town pov though. Can you explain that Grack? Also Alakaslam comes in with three more one liners than leaves | ||
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On December 29 2016 17:32 Superbia wrote: Df can you link me to the game you most recently played as mafia? It was Unoriginal Mini Mafia in like January 2016. I'm on mobile so I don't have the link | ||
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On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: I home for just for a few minutes will answer some questions then I will have to answer on mobile: Becuase something in the tone between them plus how they interacted with each other don't seem like TvT but more like TvS. No we lynching Grack Time Traveler and dis look better than him in my opinion. This post from btdt is pretty bad and idk why he voting Tictock atm. Explain to me how you go from this post, to your next post saying this. On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: Also btdt is a terrible lynch because we wont get any information regarding anything tbh. Then finally this On December 29 2016 07:33 LightningStrike wrote: btdt only post was the one I quoted so we wont have anything to really go on except maybe people's reasoning but even then it's meh in my opinion. I understand you left before btdt went on his EoD desperate tirade thing, but how do you go from saying his post is "pretty bad," implying scum then turn around and say his lynch would be terrible. While it's true that his lynch may not have given us the "most" information, how could lynching someone who's very scummy be terrible? Especially when the guy you're sheeping is the one on the chopping block. You post this before you go On December 29 2016 07:37 LightningStrike wrote: Okay his[Koshi??] posts are okay enough that at least I got a second lead if he flips scum and if he flips town I can see his thought process better. Anyways going to be on mobile now. So in that post you say you're okay with Koshi being the lynch after you sheep him the whole day? You're okay with him being the lynch over someone you thought was pretty scummy? Also you said that you would have a bunch of info regardless of Koshi's flip. Let's hear it | ||
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On December 30 2016 01:59 disformation wrote: LightningStrike First thing: he is voting his #1 scumread together with his #2 scumread. Even sheeping his #2 scumreads read. But he states: It is TvS. Him thinking Grack is the scum, should kinda imply Koshi is town, or at least be way less likely to be town. So I can kinda see him do that vote. Thing that annoys me is that he goes afk like 45mins b4 the deadline and therefore we have no in time comment on the koshi wagon. He comes back way later with an excuse... that sounds pretty deja vu like to my last game where he was scum. He also vanishes kinda at a time, where ppl were discussing a LS lynch, but i didnt look like it would gain much traction? Last post is: At that time he had 1 vote on him. btdt comes in 8mins later. so yeah I dont like him vanishing without warning 45mins b4 deadline and then coming back with IRL excuses. He did the exact same as scum last game. Well you were hard defending him against my wagon near EoD, so what is your overall conclusion read of him right now? | ||
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On December 30 2016 03:10 disformation wrote: Would also like LS to start talking about more ppl. If he focuses solely on Grack next phase that is a scum tell. Thanks for the tip Sherlock | ||
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On December 30 2016 05:06 disformation wrote: ExO_ Explains his reads and starts on the Slammer: + on koshi: - on grack: 1 day pass on tt2: on btdt: on LS/koshi: Would like a bit more explanation on LS though. I dont like that these boil down to activity. calls out the grack thing: Left out a bit of pocking left and right, which all felt like he seriously was trying to figure out the game. 2 very small things: why didnt he like a LS lynch. and i didnt super agree with the activity based read on Koshi/Grack. But I am fairly sure he is just town. His read progression on Koshi makes a lot of sense. And while I am not a huge fan of that grack read, he realizes grack looks really weird at EoD. Overall feels a lot like figuring out the game and not like he is agenda driven or playing for survival. ExO's points against Koshi didn't just boil down to activity. He specifically talks about the way Koshi is playing the game, even outside of his low activity. I find it weird that the conclusions on many of these WoT are wishy washy-- while others have more certainty that I don't find certain. Especially regarding Superbia and BTDT. The main conclusion on TimeTraveler Don't know what to say about this. Feel like I am not really in a good position to complain about him avoiding any stances at EoD. Really needs to put out some decent reads, soon. On me since EoD was so chaotic and so all over the place I can hardly blame the guy. Still for whatever reason my gut feeling is pretty bleh on this one. "Feel like I am not really in a good position to complain about him avoiding any stances at EoD." yet that is what you accuse Chez of doing. On Chez Main problem is that I have no idea why he was voting Hoshi. For some reason him being waffly and lost looks somewaht genuine to me. Pointing out that tehre is no counter wagon is actually a good point. Lack of counter wagon should have warned us. Wish he did something about it though? So yeah again not that helpful. You just said he had a good point as the lynch went down, but that he didn't "do something about it" and that he was unhelpful? I think that pointing that fact out is helpful, it's just that no one listened. He did warn us. He was more helpful than voting on himself less than an hour before the deadline, if that's what you mean. Consider shade thrown. On Grack The progression itself isnt that horrible. Picks up a bunch of points on LS, makes a small case wants him over koshi. Gets confused when suddenly everyone wants koshi. Though that confusing can him being knowing koshi will flip green and not knowing what the best position is here for him, cause that will have caught scum by surprise too. So not as slam dunk as I thought, but it is still pretty bad. You also said that you think the scum is somewhere in the middle-end of the train. Leaving aside how convenient of a read this is (considering there are only three parts to a wagon, and you chose 2/3), Grack was the original wagon driver. Sure, he got off because he thought LS was a better lynch, but Grack was the first person to really push Koshi and make him a viable choice IMO. So this goes against what you think mafia should've done. Also think this sentence is really weird: Though that confusing can him being knowing koshi will flip green and not knowing what the best position is here for him,cause that will have caught scum by surprise too. I find that a very odd way to words things from a town POV. How do you know scum were surprised by the Koshi lynch? | ||
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On December 30 2016 04:43 Grackaroni wrote: Ok I have read through all of the filters. LS still looks very scummy and I think it is a massive red flag that Koshi got lynched over him. I think my case on LS should have gained more traction than it did. I also think that if Koshi and LS were being viewed as equally scummy then normally the lynch would land on LS. I actually think ExO came out very townie from the lynch. He was the only person that fully took control during all of the waffling and pushed through who he wanted to be lynched, which was consistent from his earlier posts. GlowingBear has seemed pretty townie to me. However, he said that he would sheep me and never moved his vote. He loses points for that. I think that if he had moved his vote then LS would have been more likely to have been lynched. Also I may be biased because he defended me at the end of the day. I think TT looks quite bad from the lynch. He started out calling Koshi very townie but he offered no real defense of him when Chezinu and BtDt voted to lynch him. He also joins in with a bunch of other people blaming me for the Koshi lynch, when I had at least made a case for voting LS over Koshi. He did nothing to prevent the Koshi lynch. He didn't even move his vote. That's scummy. I realized I'm going to have to break this post up into many parts. Idk his play just reminded me of how i felt near EoD. Also tbf the posts about Koshi being very townie were relatively early on in the game, similar to when I said I wouldn't lynch Koshi on D1. I don't really understand why you view our two similar plays so differently? | ||
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On December 30 2016 07:03 disformation wrote: @df: my points on chez and tt2 are different. tt2 didnt have any stances at all. chez did meekly warn us but didnt do much about that. these two things have 0 in common. what the fuck do you mean with convenient read? gracks intial position doesnt matter much because his first vote was way early in the middle of the day when noone was really considering him a lynch. pushing koshi partly of of mainly omgus doesnt give him town points at all. How do you know scum were surprised by the Koshi lynch? By koshi flipping town. 1. That's fair. I think TimeTraveler has a very decent chance of just being overwhelmed scum ATM. 2. I mean convenient read as something that's very safe. You are saying that you think mafia is on the middle or end of the wagon... well that includes like 5/7 people so statistically that's probably true and therefore incredibly safe to "deduce" 3. Forgive me for not really understanding what you mean with your last sentence? | ||
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On December 30 2016 07:03 Tictock wrote: Really? Darth's change of heart on Koshi from "never lynch" to voting him over LS is giving me trust issues about our buddy triangle. Even after he explained it I'm still not sure it makes sense. However Darth also had an incredibly shit D1 as Town last I played with him (he pushed against basically everyone while we lynched mafia) and when I skimmed Dis's wall about him I felt like I agreed with Dis that the progression did make some sense. I'll reread Darth when I have time. I would like to keep the buddies alive if possible. We gotta work on confirming ourselves as Town though, if we can turn this into an actual town circle this game will get a lot better. My plan is to make sure we lynch mafia tomorrow. Yea l0l last game was very very poor D1 from me. I do take exception to that characterization of my play this game so far. I wanted to lynch both Superbia and LS before we even got to Koshi. I also wanted to lynch btdt before Koshi until I got nervous about the no info point and the sudden activity of btdt. I cased both of them and no one paid me any attention, especially on Superbia. (No one is still paying any attention to Superbia). I still think it made sense, given his filter, to lynch Koshi. He could've easily picked up his activity and demeanor. Good to hear! | ||
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On December 30 2016 08:25 Tictock wrote: I'm still unsure of who to Invite for my sleep over. I may just roll a couple die and see who I get. Take me to sleep away camp! | ||
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On January 03 2017 09:40 LightningStrike wrote: Nope other than lynching Grack and if not you. Well that's simply unacceptable. I won't allow it! You'd be smart to stay away from me. Especially considering you're quite scummy. | ||
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On January 03 2017 09:47 disformation wrote: cant sleep. actually superbia got dat super hipster scumread on darth. you remember? the one nobody got? shame he wont be around to try and explain again. flipping my town lean on df to a SR. to see if scum shoots me n2 for that. =D still think ls vs grack should be resolved first. It is true that the man did scum read me. I was obviously wrong about the man. Knowing what I know now, I will have to reread the man's filter. It's unfortunate he spent so much time talking about me. Blast it all to hell | ||
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On January 03 2017 09:54 LightningStrike wrote: I can confirm what you said about Superbia scumreading df before his death disformation he kpet questioning why people were townreading him. Thanks for the investigative journalism! Superbia's death is quite intriguing for many reasons. I wonder why mafia felt the need to off him | ||
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Hi there+ Show Spoiler + are you a host?+ Show Spoiler + if not... GO NO FURTHER!+ Show Spoiler + I am warning you...+ Show Spoiler + Tbh this is the most fun game i've played on TL. Never played a bastard game before but it's so spicy! | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:05 Grackaroni wrote: DF is having too much fun. Hit him with a punishment bill. We need to keep things balanced here. Hey! You aren't a host. You should've have read that. I warned you! | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:07 Alakaslam wrote: Hey so I forgot everything I was thinking Well shit. Why Chezinu didn't follow through with his disformation seed-donation? Hopefully the great leader of the House of Brown will come back and shed light into this dark abyss | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:09 disformation wrote: well superbia could have died for a few reasons. he doesnt give town a lot of info. maybe he was right on df. maybe all the super tr ppl are actually scum. he had a decent chance of picking up the ball as the game progresses. could be any (combination) of those. still found the df thing noteworthy. something to keep in mind. also no idea what the weather does. =D will try to sleep now This premise is a little sketchy considering there are three mafia still in the game. I think there were better kills for mafia, considering Superbia was acting very scummy I hope it rains! | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:21 Time Traveler wrote: Cold in the early morning, with heavy fog from last night continuing to linger into the daylight hours, although it is expected to dissipate by noontime. Today will generally be warmer than yesterday but temperatures are expected to remain cooler than normal for this time of year. Most models agree that skies should remain clear for the most part, with possible light showers to northern parts of the city thanks to a weak system passing close by in the afternoon. One outlier model seems to suggest that the system may in fact pass right through the city and bring heavy rain. We are continuing to keep a close eye on this to see if the model will track closer to the general trend as the day progresses, or if it continues misbehaving. Wind will be light and variable with occasional moderate gusts. Citizens are urged to dress warm and plan ahead for possible wet weather if traveling. Have a pleasant day! - My Totally Original Weather Forecast Will this be responded to with a bigger punishment, or a great reward? Only the Hosts and Thalos may know! | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:30 Grackaroni wrote: Captain Grackaroni, reporting for duty! Do you, or do you not, have tattooed on your bottom, the words "Jesus is coming, look busy!" | ||
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Now why would I give up such sensitive information to the general public? | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:50 Alakaslam wrote: Well, because if you'd make it public it must be worthless. So now I know it's worth trading, I'm not gonna get some sleeping bag or nothin. ... U GOT MY RADIO U PUNK??!?!!!?!! ![]() What if I did? | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:56 Time Traveler wrote: Thank God I didn't read my actual punishment of a seven-days weather forecast. Thank GOD. He didn't post with his ribbon! | ||
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On January 03 2017 11:00 Time Traveler wrote: ![]() Just to be sure... Superbia is town or scum? His role is quite... disturbing. Blue indicates a town power role. His filter is almost 100% about me, even more so than I remembered lol | ||
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On January 03 2017 11:12 ExO_ wrote: I drove home last night. I really hate that the game was paused during the 3 days I was sitting around with family doing nothing. Oh well. I'm going to continue claiming VT. I'll be honest I feel like playing civ and not looking at this game too much (there's so much wtf shit going on), but I'll pipe back up either tonight or tomorrow. Nah ExO, stay. Make this game fun again! | ||
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On January 03 2017 11:12 Alakaslam wrote: Btw I am scummy as Phuk and y'all aren't lynching me? Why not Game looks bleak my friends Is Alakaslam about to throw the hammer down? Btw Alakazam was my favorite Pokémon | ||
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On January 03 2017 11:29 Alakaslam wrote: Winner gets a prize There are five people in obs including the dead, yes? | ||
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NeverUnlucky Lunatic Someone else Koshi Superbia | ||
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On January 03 2017 12:02 Tictock wrote: Yo. I had no time to do shit over the break for this game and am at work for a decent bit longer tonight. I've also got like 5 PMs plus all the new bills to read before I even get into reading the game proper. Apparently the hosts misinformed me regarding my role, or actively misguided me, not sure which just yet. Super is an interesting Kill as he was not terribly active and was only pushing Darth. Must have been a respect/fear kill since Super wasn't doing much to make himself a target. I'll get caught up and do shit when I get home. Explain? | ||
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On January 03 2017 15:46 ExO_ wrote: Somebody please talk to me on a walkie talkie Okay, I am here | ||
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On January 03 2017 16:04 disformation wrote: also anyone cares to claim that nuke? not sure if id want tje hosts messing with us on that or not. Wasn't me | ||
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On January 03 2017 19:09 ExO_ wrote: I'd like to reiterate I am Vanilla Town. I'll actually try tomorrow, but for now please just remember that I am Vanilla Town Fuck off and play now. You don't get to peace out cuz you wrote a couple "probe" posts D1 and got easy town read for it. Today is important, and you refusing to play is anti town | ||
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On January 03 2017 19:49 disformation wrote: town: tictock, GB town lean: Grack, Chez Ayyyyyyy lmao: Slam null: tt2 scum leans: df, exo_ scum leaner: ls need to reread: btdt guess that means I also flipped my read on exo from town to scum (lean) No idea why you have GB as your most town. All the dude has done is push the idea that ExO is mafia, which is unclear, and complain about lynching Koshi and how dumb it was even after he voted on it. Also you giving LS town points for those Superbia related posts is really freaking lazy. I also don't know how you give this guy town points for his most recent posts, then put him as your MOST scummy. Anyone who claimed to pay attention to the game should know that Superbia had been on me pretty hard. LS saying that he'll "check" to make sure you're "telling the truth" either means he wasn't paying attention to the game or he's pretending to be involved. Also x 2 pointing out that LS is still very scummy and is not interacting with anyone besides to say his lynch order is Grack then me. Disformation is going to look very bad if LS flips scum imo | ||
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On January 04 2017 00:25 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly never paid attention to Superbia since he wasn't really around Day 1 outside of the NAI stuff I talked about. Anyways to make it easier for you guys I did lie about being VT I just turned into a blue role that isn't exactly great unless you guys need more info who got what item. Well that blue role should be easy to prove! | ||
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On January 04 2017 00:52 disformation wrote: aight. i'm getting somewhat annoyed here. another post just saying my post sucks snd im scummy. i think gb is town from the way he played d1. i would love for him to come back and post mote, but i think hes town. deal with it. i dont give a flying fuck what i look like after whatever ls flips. im very obviously trying to figure this game out and it is starting to annoy me that ppl are just throwing shade at me at whatever corner. meanwhile darth entire filter this cycle is "oh shiny mechanics" and complaining. like i seriously hope there is scum in the annoying ppl. cause you guys are pretty not fun to play with. I'm sorry I disagree with your analysis? If you wanted to run the show and not deal with disagreement, you probably should've been a host and not a player. Nice OMGUS. On both my points of GB and LS. It's so unfair how you're judging me by my D2 play, but GB by his D1 play ![]() Also your characterization of my play this cycle is wrong. I was messing about at the beginning of the cycle because no one else was here, and I didn't feel like reading another four of your wall of texts. Babyrage isn't going to get you a town lean from me | ||
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On January 04 2017 01:09 disformation wrote: im just complaining that ppl have a horribly unfriendly tone this game. there is a difference between "i disagree with x cause y" Really man? A horribly unfriendly tone? The worst thing I said is that one of your reads is "really freaking lazy." If that triggers you, I don't know what to say | ||
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On January 04 2017 01:21 disformation wrote: your whole post had a very condescending "the fuck are these reads, you are either scum or need to l2p" tone too it. and that was the second time. Half of my post was about LS and not you. Moving on | ||
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On January 04 2017 01:23 disformation wrote: aaaaaaaalso: how is my characterization of your d2 wrong if you essentially admit to not having read anyrhing? I have read stuff, I just didn't feel like reading yours considering the monopoly you've had on analysis in this thread. I would rather interact with people that aren't as active, which is why I want people like ExO and GB to come back | ||
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On January 04 2017 01:26 LightningStrike wrote: Also why are people trying to lynch Slam instead of me or Grack when you guys said it time to settle me vs Grack? (read the thread) | ||
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On January 04 2017 01:30 LightningStrike wrote: Like I also surprised to see how little concerned people are on the fact that the Slam wagon built up super quick. There are 28 hours left in today's cycle. People probably aren't concerned because half of the players in this game aren't playing | ||
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On January 03 2017 08:44 Irresistible Object wrote: The Gods deem a Change in Play Paper planes The City of Laz holds a festival for their warriors every year in the springtime. Citizens would take the names of the fallen warriors, those who were not able to return back home, and put their name onto a piece of paper. They would write a message to that warrior. They finish off by folding their messages into paper planes and throwing them up in the air all at once. Most are picked up by the city’s cleaners.
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On January 03 2017 19:41 Grackaroni wrote: Cancel that no read adjustments. I'm getting some new thoughts right now but it requires Darthfoley being a super mafia. I'm going to have to sleep on it. We'll gladly like to hear your new thoughts | ||
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On January 04 2017 08:04 LightningStrike wrote: I would of vigged Grack if I had a bolt for my crossbow. Tried to breadcrumb a vig shot onto Grack to see if anyone would of noticed: lmao i've never played with someone breadcrumming. I give your props regardless of your alignment | ||
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On January 04 2017 20:07 disformation wrote: btw got 2 messages. so mine should have gone fhrough too. unless hosts/scum/df is messing with me/df. xD Nope I still never got any messages. It's actually quite disappointing cuz I wanted to be cool and get info | ||
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On January 04 2017 22:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Let's put more votes on darthfoley. I am fairly confident that Superbia found something and had to die. Just like you were fairly confident that Koshi wasn't playing town!Koshi and that we should trust your gut, right? These votes on me are stupid and are strictly because Superbia was suspicious of me. The dude literally power rolled claimed. Doesn't take a genius to kill someone like that off during the night. Besides this point, all you and disformation have cited are "bad vibes" and TMI on Koshi that apparently like 4 other people originally had. Forgive me if I don't view your votes are warranted | ||
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SPOILER ALERT + Show Spoiler + just because you're trying to solve the game doesn't make you town! | ||
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GB has literally not posted Slam is still trolling TiTr hasn't posted anything useful TT's excuse is that it's "hard to get back into the game" BTDT is using the same bullshit strategy he used EoD1 to get out of being a lynch again. LS is claiming a role that could've easily been made up Yet you vote me. That's disappointing | ||
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On January 04 2017 22:43 disformation wrote: There is a huge difference between throwing shade and disagreeing with something. here the might message you should have received: "0 interest in getting something in return. no clue what to do with this otherwise, I prefer all information to be in thread." =D Well maybe the hosts took matters into their own hands and threw that into the bin | ||
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1. I'm not letting him ride mislynch towncred any farther 2. Refuses to step his game up 3. If he's town, his pressure will be useful to town 4. If he's mafia, he should hang at the gallows | ||
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On January 04 2017 22:52 beentheredonethat wrote: So who is scum in that list and why would you lynch them? I mean youre clearly trying to get disformation to not vote you while you add me to your list so apparently you do not care about me voting you. Why is that? You, TimeTraveler, ExO and I'll think long and hard about LS considering his PR claim. I don't see the town motivation behind revealing it so early on | ||
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On January 04 2017 22:55 disformation wrote: I think every town has a PR? Why would you ask this question? Why why why? | ||
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On January 04 2017 23:02 disformation wrote: Its not a question ffs -.- I was stating I think every town has a PR, but am not sure of it. I got one. And I already claimed. GB has one apparently. Superbia had one. I think only koshi didnt have one cause he died D1. Well a question mark usually implies a question. Apologies. I must've missed your claim, where is it? So ExO is lying about his VT claim, huh? | ||
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On January 04 2017 23:02 beentheredonethat wrote: Are you aware that I scumreaf TiTr and am paranoid about ExO? You scumreading me doesnt make sense and I think youre just OMGUSing here. No, me scum reading you makes perfect sense. Casing now | ||
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So, i'll try to keep this succinct. Here are the original points I will summarize but don't need to show 1. btdt was super inactive all D1 2. mysteriously comes back when he is going to be the lynch, and only then, and gets the lynch off him WHILE successfully mislynching Koshi. Koshi On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point. Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so. There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly. More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike. He firstly explains that there is no possible way he could accurately catch up. Within the same post, he advocates for Koshi's lynch strongly, appealing to the authority of his previous reads on Koshi-- Would anyone characterize Koshi's D1 play as being in the driving seat of the game? He intentionally made himself NOT in the driving seat, and it got him lynched. The first and second sentence contradict each other; Koshi did not go under the radar D1, he was talked about by ExO, me, Grack, Superbia, etc. On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: 1-page-Koshi feels bad and I think he's a very good lynch. On December 29 2016 08:39 beentheredonethat wrote: ##vote Koshi On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum. Really? You're confident? Within twenty minutes, BTDT went from randomly diving filters AND it being impossible for him to catch up, into confidently lynching Koshi-- not just any random player. On December 29 2016 08:54 beentheredonethat wrote: Don't lynch LS over Koshi, really. That's nuts. Also whatever disfo's doing there it's plain bullshit ##vote Koshi "Don't lynch LS over Koshi-- that's nuts." Again he reroutes the lynch train onto Koshi, effectively stopping what Grack and I were trying to do (lynch LS > Koshi). On December 29 2016 09:14 beentheredonethat wrote: okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why also grack you're fine with a koshi train and not even trying to make the LS train happen although you'd rather have lynched him? great job disformation lynching koshi although being wishywashy as fuck and even being a crybaby that votes himself wow Then this??? Like seriously???? + Show Spoiler + What dee fak On January 04 2017 22:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Like, all you state in that list is either not really alignment indicative or simply false. Observations are fine but I am missing conclusions here. Superbia died because of a half-assed claim that could very well be a protective role, even vet. In retrospective the claim was absolutely dumb. I didnt believe it tbh (oh i cared actually) but as confirmed town was killed and confirmed town scumread df early on, im perfectly fine with a df lynch. Yes, I was wrong on Koshi. So what, last game ai was fully right. Happens. It's one thing to be wrong about someone. Yea, that happens. It's another thing to wholeheartedly advocate for someone's death after not reading the entire game WHILE using your previous reads on him to bolster your argument + Show Spoiler + | ||
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disformation Btdt's read progression of disformation is complete cock-adoodle On December 29 2016 08:24 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm right now randomly diving filters. Disformation's filter looks genuinely town but he's being wishy washy. On the other hand, that's disformation pretty much for me so that's not necessarily alignment indicative. Thing about disfo is that from what I can see, he only comments on stuff. "I like that", "I don't like that" and so on and he's not taking any actions on his own, being lazy. Seems to be willing to go after Grackaroni but rather discusses about me? Hmm So the first sentence calls disformation town, but wishy washy, but it's all NAI. So basically no conclusion. The second bolded sentence implies that disformation is scummy. So he's town but NAI but scummy. Uhh okay mate. This is all within a single post btw. On December 29 2016 09:17 beentheredonethat wrote: Second time you're adding a positive smiley face to a bad thing. This also implies scummy tendencies. Disformation has continued to do this btw, but btdt hasn't commented on it since. Not a huge point, but this seems like needless shade throwing, especially because he hasn't kept on this line of thought. On December 29 2016 09:26 beentheredonethat wrote: Voting me: Time Traveler, Tictock, disformation, ExO_ disfo's flailing would cover up his shit wagon jump on me as well as his shit wagon jump on koshi. Time Traveler seemed to be confident in voting me, then Koshi, and all he had to say was "I dunno who to vote for" and he ended up on, lol, Superbia. He even disappeared from thread which is also bothering me. So I'd say disformation > Time Traveler, then I need to read ExO and see why apparently everyone is townreading him. Tictock tbh no idea, I liked his reaction to my initial random vote though. After I asked him who he's singling out in his original post, he says the disformation's EoD is more scummy that TimeTraveler's. Keep that in mind. On December 29 2016 09:26 beentheredonethat wrote: tl;dr I need to read D1 as I ignored roughly 40 pages or something when I started playing. Oh look! another post reminding us about how he didn't actually read the game. On December 29 2016 09:35 beentheredonethat wrote: My trouble with you is that yes, you can do wrong things. It's perfectly fine to fuck up, town does this on a daily basis. but I absolutely hate the way you're playing right now as it is very undecided and soft. I'd love if you'd have a strong opinion on something, if you'd stop flailing and instead decisively push someone or something. You're always like "oh that could be a thing but maybe it's not" which tbh contributes nothing to the game. It only creates confusion and actually helps scum a lot. I don't even think you're scum in that situation but I think your play really helps scum in an abysmal D1. If you don't step up I'm perfectly fine in lynching you D2. So here he says he doesn't like the way disformation is playing, and says that he's perfectly fine lynching him D2 if he doesn't step up his game. Notice how btdt is now hesistant to call him scum? Now it's "your play is helping scum" which actually kind of implies he's town? Idk. Although btdt will probably argue that disformation has stepped up his play since EoD-- and he's right to a certain extent in terms of WoT content-- disformation is still playing a wishy washy game IMO. Lots of his WoT posts have unsure conclusions. Seeing how unsureness is the main reason btdt is criticizing disformation, it should continue. On December 29 2016 20:29 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, Alakaslam disappeared, even got warned. The whole "lynch the inactive" story line that some people seem to rely on died with the Koshi flip, why is that? Note how there was no counter wagon. This thread is currently being driven by mafia. ExO is driving this thread, Tictock, even darthfoley is. So there's most likely one mafia in them. Chez doing the drive-by posting but Chezinu is pretty much unreadable to me tbh. disformation then again claims to have a bad scum game (correct me if I'm wrong) and what he's doing right now is either a bad town game or a bad scum game so I'm perfectly fine in lynching him. Grackaroni's EoD was a joke. Reiterates the point for good measure On December 29 2016 23:02 beentheredonethat wrote: wtf disformation you clearly scumread me, having found a "sick tmi". so first of all - your level of spotted tmi is the same as my level of spotted tmi about tictock. and you're capable of knowing that so you should be very clear about what you are trying to achieve with that. You scumreading me feels a lot like "im pissed towards btdt so I scumread him" which is simpy a bad way of doing things. Instead, calm down a bit and start looking for actual reasons why I could be scum, or, even better, why I could be town, because I am town. Suprise, surprise. You're one of the most active players in D1 and yet town has a boiling mislynch in the end without any counter wagons. That doesn't change the fact that Koshi was a very good lynch IMHO. Given Koshi's level of mafia play and the lack of play he showed for D1. Good thing I have been granted a power role and will be able to use my ability. This is mostly about disformation, but I bolded the part about the Koshi lynch because he's back to claiming it was a very good lynch, after telling everyone they need to "explain why they voted Koshi over Slam/AFK!!!" That's odd, and scummy. Also claims a power role in this post fwiw On January 04 2017 21:55 beentheredonethat wrote: Of course I am absolutely fine with lynching slam, chez, too. Also time traveler. Now disformation is completely off the table with no explanation as to why. Could it be because disformation is starting to townread the man? He does a complete 180 and goes from "perfectly fine lynching D2 disformation" to not even on his potential "i'm okay with..." list. I find this most striking because I think disformation is generally playing the same type of game, being unsure etc. Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I don't understand the progression. The grand finale incoming | ||
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What if the mecha cow created a LS + GB hydra and that's why he's been afk? Isn't a hydra when two players become one or something? Just food for thought. @disformation, that is a very good question | ||
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His case on darthfoley On January 04 2017 20:47 beentheredonethat wrote: Exo/darthfoley/tictock. There's most likely one scum between them but its hard to express why. Let me try. D1 was driven by scum or by wrong-guessing town. No counter wagon to Koshi. Given that Koshi is a heavy weight player on both alignments, I assume that scum just laid back and was fairly okay with that lynch. Question is if scum pushed the Koshi lynch (which would point towards exo) or if the lynch just happened with scum maybe being the hammering votes (pointing towards tictock/df?) Could this be TMI by any chance? It seems awfully confident. His characterization of my Koshi vote is also wrong. I was the third vote out of seven. Hardly the "hammering" vote. Btdt also conveniently forgets this post in which I thought he actually made a few decent points against TT. + Show Spoiler + On December 29 2016 20:23 beentheredonethat wrote: Tictock: 1. Blames btdt for being inactive all day 2. Does not want to lynch btdt because "I only wanted to test reactions and see who jumps on that lynch" 3. Votes outside of Koshi, thus making his vote irrelevant 4. Wants to lynch btdt again What I don't get is 2 vs. 4. I can fully understand #2, and I can fully understand #4. I'd probably also lynch myself in the current situation. But how can this go together? #2 implies that Tictock thinks I am town. Then, Koshi gets lynched without any counter wagon to it, and suddenly, Tictock thinks I am scum. This is really weird. Also, Tictock pretty much ignores the disformation happenings (like, voting himself, voting Koshi over Grack, and so on). If disformation flips scum anytime soon, Tictock will do so very likely, too, given that he went after me over disfo. To be honest, Tictock's explanation on why he voted me could also be a subtle TMI of "I know he's town, so I pretend to fish for information, I'm not really voting him because I know he is not scum". On January 04 2017 21:41 beentheredonethat wrote: We aren't that super lost. We have a slow D2. That's a difference. ExOs D1 was very towny. Darthfoley feels townie, too, I liked what he posted directly after EoD1. Leaves Tictock. I think there were some inconsistencies in Tictock voting Koshi over LS (?) but I am on mobile and cannot double check right now. Still, I think TT has a decent chance of being scum. Also, he scumread me basically for being around and voting him. :/ Okay, good. Now i'm townie! Woohoo. Notice how TT is given the most attention aka he's the most scummy of the ExO/darthfoley/TT trio, according to btdt On January 04 2017 21:47 beentheredonethat wrote: Was superbia onto something with the darth votes? Like, superbia wasnt killed for activity reasons. So he died because? Parroting disformation's point. On January 04 2017 21:52 beentheredonethat wrote: Skimming superbia filter, could this be darth TMI defending koshi and superbia spotting this? Like, superbia pressurung darth, gets killed? The cherrypicking is real. I wasn't the only person to defend Koshi; how does this imply TMI at all? I'm making a player specific read based on activity. Anyone want to debate me and say that Koshi having 2-4 posts 8 hours into a game is not low activity for him? On January 04 2017 21:55 beentheredonethat wrote: Of course I am absolutely fine with lynching slam, chez, too. Also time traveler. Ticktock is now out of this list. Why? Who the fuck knows. On January 04 2017 22:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Let's put more votes on darthfoley. I am fairly confident that Superbia found something and had to die. On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum. Déjà-vu. On January 04 2017 22:56 beentheredonethat wrote: Like, all you state in that list is either not really alignment indicative or simply false. Observations are fine but I am missing conclusions here. Superbia died because of a half-assed claim that could very well be a protective role, even vet. In retrospective the claim was absolutely dumb. I didnt believe it tbh (oh i cared actually) but as confirmed town was killed and confirmed town scumread df early on, im perfectly fine with a df lynch. Yes, I was wrong on Koshi. So what, last game ai was fully right. Happens. Lastly, he claims i'm lying and then doesn't explain where/about who/how. SIMPLY FALSE! So he's apparently a town who was wrong in this game previously (on Koshi), and that should excuse him, but Superbia who was town couldn't be possibly wrong, so he'll just follow Superbia's line of thought over HIS casing/concerns about certain people, specifically Ticktock. He claims i'm 70-80% sure i'm scum, but I've yet to see any reasoning beyond circumstantial evidence on someone who claimed a fucking blue role. He even said my play feels townie. Add this onto my other shit and I think btdt's filter kinda falls apart. Like he has a few good posts but doesn't push them and/or completely forgets about them. | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:06 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't want to reveal it until you got it ![]() ##Unvote ##Vote: darthfoley Can you quote your case on me? | ||
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On December 29 2016 23:11 beentheredonethat wrote: That's not a bad reason and you should know it Oo btdt also thinks it's a good point to leave active people in the game. I have a fucking 11 page filter. | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:09 disformation wrote: You were the hammering vote on Koshi btw. Votes were: koshi 2 grack 2 LS 2 when you made the attempt to switch from LS to Koshi that wasnt counted cause the unvote was missing. Yea, my point is that although I had a mechanical fuck up, yall should consider me the third vote unless you really think i'm that meta | ||
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Here's why i'm town. 1. I've been encouraging activity in the game. 2. Interest in the game/activity 3. Never lurking 4. Interest in the mechanics. I've been trying to figure out ways to game the game to get advantages for myself that I can use for town. 5. I tried to lynch both Superbia and LS D1. I was wrong on Superbia (but according to Btdt, it happens so whatever) and I still think LS could be mafia. Claiming a role that could easily be made up, not counter-claimable, and only got it today so there's no way to prove it. 6. I was supposed to be the 3/7 vote on Koshi, but I forgot to unvote. I did the exact same thing last game I played unfortunately (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?user=darthfoley&view=all). You don't have to believe this is AI, but it's well within my town meta. 7. I've actually had strong opinions. | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:16 LightningStrike wrote: Didn't like your EoD 1 before even reading Superbia's filter, Superbia being killed suspecting you throughout Day 1, and honestly you been acting weird for your standard. As town I know you are much more serious and weren't that sarcastic at all espcally the last few games we played together. Here df's latest games with me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?user=darthfoley http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503886-who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-cell-mini-mafia?user=darthfoley http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/503437-star-wars-the-mafia-awaken?user=darthfoley In each of those games even in auto lynching (Star Wars) he trying his hardest try to figure things out wasn't trolly in tone period which is likely a scum indicator for you darthfoley. Yea i've been a bit trolly, but in a bastard game like this where everyone has little bits of information that could be useful, it's fun to mess around a bit. Even with my trolling i've still contributed more to the game than anyone except disformation probably. Cell game was also themed and the mechanics were different so it's NAI imo. | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:32 LightningStrike wrote: Even in Cell you were more serious and yes I know it was themed but you weren't as trolly there as here which is a meta point against you. -1 vs the meta king. I was trolly beginning of D2 because I acquired information and felt good about it and no one was here | ||
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Star Wars was a year ago man. I've gotten a lot better at online mafia since then imo. I have read most of your posts, I specifically haven't read the copy/pasted WoT posts right after D2 started. | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:42 LightningStrike wrote: If actually had information why didn't you share it with the thread even if no one is around? Because information has value | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote: Why not share it now though because clearly me and disformation are here. I'm going to share it later today, don't worry | ||
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On January 05 2017 00:44 disformation wrote: Dunno I feel like I have gotten worse. xD How the fuck do you play D1's? xD sry, was half joking. I dunno man. I'd still like a ExO_ lynch just cause he refused to play, but still has time to post the VT one liners. @LS what does your meta on ExO_ say? My d1's usually suck. I often sheep my town reads and/or active players | ||
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At the end of D1, I was PM'd to inform me that I was now a mafia roleblocker. My teammates were Ticktock and Grackaroni. Grack was the Godfather, TT was goon. This QT is called the House of Brown. We surmised that Superbia would be a good kill especially if he had a blue role, wouldn't really link back to me, and I was going to claim vigi misshot. I roleblocked Superbia in case he shot/checked me and got saved. Ticktock used his sleeping bag (according to him, one time jailkeep) on Chez so disformation wouldn't get the seed that would probably let him check Grack. Grack claims to have gotten medicine X. He also claims this medicine makes him show up as mafia, but that he hasn't drank it. Not sure if I believe him regarding the utility of his medicine. So we thought this was peachy keen. I was going to claim "vigi shooting" Superbia, while the other mafia team was going to shoot town. This would allow both the other mafia team, and the town to be under the assumption that there was still only one mafia team in the game. However, after the D2 post, we were notified that we had no mafia powers: KP, GF, RB. We weren't even a mafia team. We were just three dudes put in a QT. So, as it stands, I am in a QT that is still being somewhat used with Grack and TT. According to the hosts, our alignments are what we started with, plus the QT, plus "whatever we may have received" D2. So either there were two teams of three that individually chose Superbia kill, or Grack/TT are mafia and knew of our plan, notified the other mafia team, etc. This is partially why I have been trolly and confused. I don't know in which scenario Superbia died. So yea, I wanted to kill Superbia under the assumption that I was mafia. However i'm not mafia. I cannot confirm anything else regarding Grack and TT's alignments | ||
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I waited to say all this cuz I wanted to see how Grack and TT would play, but they've been AFK today | ||
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On January 05 2017 03:36 disformation wrote: real stupid question: does the real scum team even have a nk? skimmed the op but didnt see info on that... Wouldn't that be just great if the Hosts were making the NKs | ||
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Also information in a bastard setup has value and it's all I have considering I'm VT. I'm not aware of an additional win condition etc | ||
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On January 05 2017 03:47 disformation wrote: lynching into the coinflips might be super risky too. the nightactions might rise more questions than answers. Yes it does which is why I wanted to see how the day development and is why I wanted more activity. If House of Brown is full town then it's a huge coincidence both "teams" chose Superbia. @anyone who else was superbia suspicious of? | ||
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On January 05 2017 03:55 disformation wrote: wait. if tt has jailkeeped chez, maybe scum tried to kill chez? cause his role looks pretty damn good, if he is what i think? would explain the unclaimed nuke? We were told specifically we did NOT have a factional KP. No vigi claim on super means he had to be mafia kill in some way | ||
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On January 05 2017 02:47 darthfoley wrote: A Poor Man's Confession At the end of D1, I was PM'd to inform me that I was now a mafia roleblocker. My teammates were Ticktock and Grackaroni. Grack was the Godfather, TT was goon. This QT is called the House of Brown. We surmised that Superbia would be a good kill especially if he had a blue role, wouldn't really link back to me, and I was going to claim vigi misshot. I roleblocked Superbia in case he shot/checked me and got saved. Ticktock used his sleeping bag (according to him, one time jailkeep) on Chez so disformation wouldn't get the seed that would probably let him check Grack. Grack claims to have gotten medicine X. He also claims this medicine makes him show up as mafia, but that he hasn't drank it. Not sure if I believe him regarding the utility of his medicine. So we thought this was peachy keen. I was going to claim "vigi shooting" Superbia, while the other mafia team was going to shoot town. This would allow both the other mafia team, and the town to be under the assumption that there was still only one mafia team in the game. However, after the D2 post, we were notified that we had no mafia powers: KP, GF, RB. We weren't even a mafia team. We were just three dudes put in a QT. So, as it stands, I am in a QT that is still being somewhat used with Grack and TT. According to the hosts, our alignments are what we started with, plus the QT, plus "whatever we may have received" D2. So either there were two teams of three that individually chose Superbia kill, or Grack/TT are mafia and knew of our plan, notified the other mafia team, etc. This is partially why I have been trolly and confused. I don't know in which scenario Superbia died. So yea, I wanted to kill Superbia under the assumption that I was mafia. However i'm not mafia. I cannot confirm anything else regarding Grack and TT's alignments What disformation is talking about @anyone who hasn't been around recently | ||
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On January 05 2017 04:45 disformation wrote: WHY DIDNT YOU MENTION THE QT WITH GRACK AND DARTH he's probably posting as he reads the thread | ||
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I was thinking of something spicy, like, i'm a vigilante with a 50% success shoot rate (especially as an ode to Superbia's 50/50 bet with the Hosts). | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:05 beentheredonethat wrote: Also note how the active people that are in thread right now are almost the same as EoD1. Slam, Chez, Time Traveler, they all disappeared. This is just bad. Yea so naturally you should be confident in your read and lynch me! Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:06 beentheredonethat wrote: This is such a worthless sentence as there's no way to ever prove that. "If I was real scum, I would play totally different from how I played all game." Like, really? Yes really. The plan I laid out in my Poor Man's Confession is literally better in every single way than what I did. Of course it's WIFOM, but to make your point, you have to think i'm a fucking stupid mafia. If that's your argument, have at it hoss. | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:03 beentheredonethat wrote: The House of Brown presents: The Curious Case of BTDT? So, i'll try to keep this succinct. Here are the original points I will summarize but don't need to show 1. btdt was super inactive all D1 2. mysteriously comes back when he is going to be the lynch, and only then, and gets the lynch off him WHILE successfully mislynching Koshi. Koshi He firstly explains that there is no possible way he could accurately catch up. Within the same post, he advocates for Koshi's lynch strongly, appealing to the authority of his previous reads on Koshi-- Yes. 1. I have not read the game as I simply forgot about it. 2. I randomly opened some filters. 3. I saw Koshi had one page of filter. Easiest scumread given that I have a pretty good grip on Koshi's meta. Would anyone characterize Koshi's D1 play as being in the driving seat of the game? He intentionally made himself NOT in the driving seat, and it got him lynched. The first and second sentence contradict each other; Koshi did not go under the radar D1, he was talked about by ExO, me, Grack, Superbia, etc. You're trying to paint a contradiction. That would require that I actually had read the game which at this point, I had not done. I had no idea that Exo, you, whoever, talked about Koshi. Also, how could you know that Koshi INTENTIONALLY did not put himself into the driver's seat? Really? You're confident? Within twenty minutes, BTDT went from randomly diving filters AND it being impossible for him to catch up, into confidently lynching Koshi-- not just any random player. Of course I am confident! I have hosted three games where Koshi rolled scum as well as town. I have played with him as scum and as town. Reading his one-page filter, I felt absolutely confident that this was scum!Koshi going under the radar. Note how at this point I still hadn't caught up. I mean, what do you expect me to do? I was happy to consolidate on a player I could judge instead of wasting my vote such as others (TiTr) did ALTHOUGH they had read the game. "Don't lynch LS over Koshi-- that's nuts." Again he reroutes the lynch train onto Koshi, effectively stopping what Grack and I were trying to do (lynch LS > Koshi). I am not rerouting here. You took that out of context - context being that someone thought about lynching LS and I actively said "don't do that". Why did I say that? Easy - Koshi was inactive and playing to his scum meta, while LS had a filter of multiple pages and felt rather townie. Again, I skimmed. You can't really scumread me for saying wrong things ![]() Then this??? Like seriously???? + Show Spoiler + What dee fak Why is that a scummy reaction? I was genuinely pissed, mainly towards disformation but also pissed about myself. I had strongly argued for a Koshi lynch and I might have done way better for town then I did D1 if only I had not forgotten about this game. I tried to play the game as good as I could and I was angry about failing at it. Also, I was even more pissed about disformation as I felt like his wishywashy playstyle was detrimental for town. It's one thing to be wrong about someone. Yea, that happens. It's another thing to wholeheartedly advocate for someone's death after not reading the entire game WHILE using your previous reads on him to bolster your argument I was not using any "previous reads" on Koshi. I don't know what you are referring to. I applied a solid meta read to Koshi and if you would just put in the effort to check Koshi's past games, you'd instantly see that he was playing 100% to his scum meta of "I chime in every now and then but besides that I stay under the radar and pretend to be lazy town". + Show Spoiler + How did you know he was going under the radar if you hadn't read through the game? | ||
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Yea. I sent him the message because I thought and maybe still think he's vigilante | ||
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On January 03 2017 10:42 Alakaslam wrote: I am ready to serve them as placid as possible. I am a follower of Dave. On January 03 2017 10:43 Alakaslam wrote: http://vigilante8.wikia.com/wiki/Dave's_Cultsmen "Dave's Cultsmen is a fictional character(s) in the vehicle action series Vigilante 8." | ||
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Thank god ExO is VT and refusing to play! | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:12 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm actually not really down to lynching you anymore. Puzzle pieces are moving and I think you're not scum (or, if you're scum, your dedicated as fuck). Still not sold completely but we're on a good way. On January 05 2017 05:15 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm not willing to let go of darthfoley yet tbh. Having Slam and Time Traveller as solid alternatives, okay, but if they flip town, we're in for an amazingly bad and boring D3. We really need to either hit scum or have more than one wagon so we gain information from that lynch. Make up your mind lol | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:24 disformation wrote: And GB forgot about the game. and tt2 is like "okay I am doing work now" "woah its so hard to distinguish ppl" *vanishing trick* and Slam is like ayy lmao What are the chances both the people who "forgot" about the game are both town? Somewhat serious question lol GB/btdt | ||
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Just for anyone who is catching up or unclear: i'm VT, not claiming blue. Although I did claim mafia roleblocker for a night ![]() | ||
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On January 05 2017 05:48 disformation wrote: so I guess I am flipping my df read to a town lean. and I guess btdt can sit at his town lean, too. and I guess I somehow flipped my ls read to a town lean, too. so. question is what to do with TT. and kinda LS, who is pretty set of lynching into grack and df, I guess? Why are you town reading Grack again? Can't remember | ||
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A Btdt lynch would provide more context to why/who switched off of him and onto Koshi, if he flips scum. Also that LS defense. If he's town then mega wtf | ||
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ExO's play has seemed SO different that it almost feels as if his win condition or role has changed. I actually think he has a decent chance of being scum, and he's refused to work with the thread multiple times today. If he's actually town, it should be relatively easyish to show if he plays the way town!ExO should play. Other than that, TimeTraveler, or btdt atm. Not sure what I think of LS, or of Grack and TT. Both have played very differently today. I also remember GB's EoD to be somewhat shady; thanks TimeTraveler for contributing something of substance. + Show Spoiler + does anyone else feel like TimeTraveler is doing the newbie 1st mafia reads post thing? | ||
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On January 05 2017 06:29 Grackaroni wrote: I still think ExO may be a good lynch. Between DF and Btdt I would lynch btdt mostly based off gut. I'll vouch for TT being a townie. I don't think he should ever be lynched this game. Why aren't you affording me such a defense? | ||
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On January 05 2017 06:54 Grackaroni wrote: Also I told you in the QT that I wanted to pressure slam into posting reads and that I wanted you to vote slam. You came into the thread and posted: Well you did ninja vote. All of that stuff sounds problematic out of context, but it makes more sense in context. Thanks for not providing the context! | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:21 Grackaroni wrote: This should be the most important post in thread right now imo. Agreed | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:23 beentheredonethat wrote: Has anyone tried to talk to him via a walky talky? Wait. Wasn't there an item "Walky talky" or something? Yep. I asked to talk with him using the walkie talkie and it never happened, nor did he express any interest | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:24 beentheredonethat wrote: Can we please talk about that theory because everyone townread ExO EoD1 and now everyone is lynching him Actually his posts do sound really awkwardly worded. As if he can only say a certain amount of things. | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:31 disformation wrote: what if exo got some got some of curse from the hosts? maybe koshi is haunting him? xD Can be either alignment though, so dont really think mechanics help us a lot here. I would feel really stupid if he's town but got cursed by Koshi (remember that change in play thing regarding Koshi. Too bad I don't speak Korean/Japanese) and we lynch him while he can only say things revolving around "i'm a vt, please remember that" | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:33 Grackaroni wrote: DF/TT did you guys get booted from the Brown? Nope, but we have a new visitor on our hands. Unless have cleverly changed your name in the QT | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:35 LightningStrike wrote: hmm this qt stuff just got weird now apparantly grack got kicked out of it while a new person joined? What the hell is going on this game. There is someone called "Disciple of Brown" in our QT, saying mysterious things + Show Spoiler + what if this qt thing is just a joke+ Show Spoiler + don't worry i'm not an asshole lol | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:38 beentheredonethat wrote: "mysterious things" would be slam or chez. It may be a host. Either way it's somehow who knows things I don't know | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:39 beentheredonethat wrote: Are you allowed to post QT content to the thread? We can paraphrase, but not quote directly | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:46 Grackaroni wrote: I think I would be ok with any of the following: ExO LS TimeTraveler Slam Btdt. So that's not a very good place to be. Switch slam and btdt and yea basically. I'm also not happy that I agree with you on four lynch choices | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:49 beentheredonethat wrote: ExO ExO ExO I have headaches. He's exactly the same as Koshi D1. This is also why i've moved off of him. | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:48 disformation wrote: so all three of the house of brown basically TR each other? been starting at some exo posts, but not getting anywhere. I'm actually less certain of TT than Grack for town. His afk'ness has been concerning and his continual "damn catching up!" | ||
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Because of the impending nuke, and because he was going to give a check seed to Disformation but got JK'd. Although if TT is scum with Chez, that could all be a facade. who should we lynch gb? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Unfortunately I feel like I have to town-read disformation for the time being. That's not ideal, but he's consistently been active whereas others haven't. Scum is in a good position in this game, so activity doesn't really make sense from mafia pov tbh. | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:55 GlowingBear wrote: I don't know, I didn't read day2. I want to lynch Exo because I was sure he is mafia. I want to be right. But my best bet is that we should lynch time traveler Why is TT your best bet over ExO? | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:57 beentheredonethat wrote: By the way there's still the thing with "you killed Superbia, Chez got Jailkeeped and maybe couldn't carry KP" which I brought up earlier. We should not forget about this ESPECIALLY if he survives the nuke. Is that directed at me? Under that circumstance, there are two mafia KPs and I would've outted my entire team for no reason | ||
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On January 05 2017 07:58 beentheredonethat wrote: Also how was everyone fucking mad at me D1 when I said that I forgot about this game but everyone is fine with GlowingBear coming in and saying "oh I forgot about this game" Looking at you, Tictock, and whoever else started picking at me D1. I'm actually more annoyed at GB considering he started playing the game then forgot. I have him completely null atm. I would reread his filter now but the town has bigger fish to fry | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:00 beentheredonethat wrote: How are there 2 mafia KP? I thought you killed Superbia because you were given scum roles AND jailkeeped Chez? Since there was no other kill besides Superbia my point is that Chez carried the "real" scum KP. But Superbia still died, and our mafia team did NOT have KP. So even if Chez carried KP, someone had to also carry KP onto Superbia | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:01 beentheredonethat wrote: lol wait. if the "QT pack" was given scum roles for the night and all of them were indeed town, how likely is it that scum got town roles for the duration of the night? Potentially lol | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:01 beentheredonethat wrote: Why are you believing that so easily? You didn't believe me, right? Sorry, misspoke. I should've quoted "and then forgot" to show my skepticism. I'm biased I guess but I have no idea how you forget about a game of mafia AFTER you've been playing | ||
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TimeTraveler: 3 Alakaslam: 1 ExO, TT, and TimeTraveler have yet to vote | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:04 beentheredonethat wrote: Wait. I thought that the Superbia kill came from your QT and the Scum KP was not delivered or healed or whatever. What about this then? All of that plotting was under the assumption that we in fact had KP; it was the thinking behind the kill. But then the SAME kill happened and we were told we weren't mafia and didn't have KP | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:05 beentheredonethat wrote: I wasn't playing D1. All I did was /confirm, via mobile, in a hurry. You believe GB but then you say you "have no idea how you forget about a game of mafia AFTER you've been playing"? Please tell me I have poor reading comprehension because the kill thing and also this is really weird right now. I don't believe GB dude. If he's telling the truth i'm just disappoint. I think you have poor reading comprehension | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:06 beentheredonethat wrote: So hosts told you you have no KP, yet your target died. Is that assumption correct? Yes! | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:07 beentheredonethat wrote: Also I do not believe LightningStrike being blue. I have reasons to do so. If he's lying about being blue, shouldn't you want to lynch him? | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:23 Grackaroni wrote: LOL i just noticed: darthfoley (0) : Grackaroni (0) : That's rich | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:24 disformation wrote: Holy fuck. I am 100% getting buddyed/pocketed by one of those two Oo and both send me a paper plane message. paranoia 3000% Jesus Christ lol It just gets deeper | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:28 Grackaroni wrote: GB is this check real? If this check is real then LS becomes the lynch | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:25 GlowingBear wrote: Dude, the check comes at day phase. It should say his PR instead of VT if that was true? This should be true, no? | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:34 Tictock wrote: Well fuck it's a borderline blizzard here and took me a full hour to get home. No way am I catching up in time. Who are we lynching and why? There's 11 votes on you. Where do you live? | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: 3. How the fuck do you know what I sent to the hosts Cuz I'm all knowing. Disformation said you sent that to him iirc | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:42 Tictock wrote: This sounds about right. Why am I the only one who wants to murder BtDt? I am interested in that but I'm also kinda paranoid scum reading you atm | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Tictock is basically absent, has NOT caught up, doesn't consider the whole of D2 where I was active and contributive as FUCK and says "lynch btdt". Really, I'm fed up with that shit especially since my awesome PM stuff didn't play out. D3 easy town win but ofc hosts need to exchange PMs I mean you could just tell the thread what you PMd if you're that mad. For all we know you could be lying about your PMs | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:48 beentheredonethat wrote: That's the point. There's a reason why I said that I would reveal that D3. Okay. | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:52 Grackaroni wrote: Time Traveler gets some town points for trying to push people away from killing ExO when the lynch is between him and ExO. This is also true. Gdmnit | ||
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On January 05 2017 08:58 disformation wrote: FUCK DID ANYONE BUY VOTES?! Nope. Not wasting my loan until I feel strongly about something | ||
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On January 05 2017 09:59 Grackaroni wrote: Disfo, if you're playing me I am incredibly impressed. Probably a mix of terrible town and decent to good mafia. | ||
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On January 05 2017 10:13 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't even know we could sell a part of our vote. I thought it was only loans. Yea me either. | ||
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On January 05 2017 10:18 disformation wrote: prolly some vote manipulation role? god. cant sleep. im like 100% sure i fucked one of my reads up pretty hard yesterday. i waffled off grack, df and ls. maybe i gave too much cred to tt and gb d1? one thong that was strange; slams name got mentioned a few times rod, bit no one was willing to vote. i feel like i missed something real obbious and its pissing me off I said I wouldn't prefer a Slam lynch because I think he was Vig breadcrumbing and because he doesn't give as much info of a lynch as an afk ExO or TimeTraveler | ||
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On January 05 2017 12:49 Tictock wrote: LS one sounds genuine-ish to me. BtDt sounds scummy as shit. I know I said I was gunna wait to post but I can't help it. BtDt has claimed that he sent one PM to the hosts to apologize for his behavior to disformation??? and another one to disformation. Kinda seemed like covering his own ass at the time by blaming hosts. If you have a chance, go back through my filter at look at my case on BtDt, TT. Let me know what you think. It's probably on my 12-14th page | ||
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##campaign As the city of Laz loses one member after another with no rhyme or reason, I climb to the top bastion at the city walls. In the distance, I see a LightningStrike pierce the sky. Thunder Gracks throughout the land. An ominous sense of deja-vu befalls I: it is almost like I had been there and done that already, like a TimeTraveler who never made it home. I yearn for a time when Laz was peaceful and safe. I know I must act quickly, for time is Ticktocking. I Slam my fist against the cold, stone, wall. I can't help but feel as if I have been fed disformation by someone, or someones. As I am about to be overcome by despair, I see in the distance, beyond the city gates, a man dressed in brown and a bear walking towards the city. They even have a strange glow around them. What could this mean for the city of Laz? It will become the Lost City if we do not put a stop to this witchcraft! Why has the town failed to find mafia so far? 1. Town has been actively mislead (mafia are active) 2. Town is being talked out of correct lynches near EoD 3. Mafia have buddied town members at critical points 4. All of the above 5. None of the above I believe there is more important info to be garnered thn the House of Brown stuff currently | ||
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On January 06 2017 02:58 disformation wrote: Fair enough. At least the house is still playing the game. still would like you to chime into the stuff grack has been posting just now. omw home. will be bach *insert arnie gif* after dinner etc I was the person to originally suggest in our QT that it was a scum QT slip. I just don't know who did it | ||
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On January 06 2017 02:01 Grackaroni wrote: Unless he's TimeTraveler. o.0 Lmao what if ExO was on to him for some reason and that's why he grilled him so hard early on. Timetraveler never answered which site he came from :o | ||
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On January 06 2017 04:25 Grackaroni wrote: We were supposed to vote on this ouija board thing. I'm pretty sure it's a poll for the obs QT. I like Disfo's better. I mainly wanted to write the story. Only thing I don't like about disformation's vote thing is that it has no mention of anyone else in the game. What if they think one of us is somewhat scummy, but person X or Y is very scummy? They can't put option 5 cuz they don't think were all pure, but they don't feel comfortable putting option 1-3 cuz we're not their main scum read. That is, if they're even reading the game. I would prefer to hear more about what they think of LS, btdt etc. feels like a wasted vote tbh | ||
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On January 06 2017 06:27 Tictock wrote: I didn't read the stuff about Vote loans very careful kus it sounded kinda like a bad idea. If people were able to "Invest" part of their vote for future days then that would be really powerful for scum. Rereading the loan post though I don't think it works this way. So I'm not sure what would have caused a partial vote? One of BtDt, Slam, and Darth... you guys have an explanation? Also I thought BtDt was on Exo, this makes this post kinda weird. Not even sure my vote mattered, if i had stayed with Traveler Exo was still getting lynched. Already said I didn't use Vote loan cuz I didn't wanna waste it on a vote I was unsure of | ||
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On January 06 2017 06:53 Tictock wrote: Yea. I'm sure you would have mentioned something to us beforehand as well if you knew your vote was gunna be weird. So one of BtDt or Slam's votes didn't count as a full vote. As far as I can tell that is the only vote discrepancy that happened. Also I noticed that Exo really was just VT. Or the Ultimate VT actually. Hosts be trollin. That can't be true because I'm VT??? | ||
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On January 06 2017 06:57 Grackaroni wrote: I could submit a different question with LS and Btdt on it. Please do | ||
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Disformation isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a player with such an ability and movement as Town? Disformation puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a player with his skill and passion for the game again. Palmar breaks records. Koshi breaks records. Disformation breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic. I mean, I am not sure there's much else to say! He's active, he's confirmed town. He's the hero we need... but also the hero we don't deserve. | ||
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On January 06 2017 10:24 LightningStrike wrote: No nk is werid. Oh and df true or false: You got items? Did I get an item in the last batch? Yea I did. Very interested to see who btdt checked this time through | ||
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On January 06 2017 10:26 LightningStrike wrote: BTW GB could be scum role cop with that EoN stuff from disformation. No way town would have 2 cops type roles. Also a valid point. Will be interested to see who he checked last night | ||
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On January 06 2017 12:30 Grackaroni wrote: Why did you change your mind on Darthfoley? Good question | ||
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On January 06 2017 13:10 LightningStrike wrote: He could easily lied about not appearing blue and was trying to get a easy mislynch on a claimed blue. IF YOU ARE TOWN FUCK YOU AND I WONT EVER PLAY WITH YOU EVER AGAIN AND I WILL DODGE EVERY GAME YOU ENTER. Hey Koshi. This is the baby rage, right? I'm confident to say that it is. ##Vote: LightningStrike | ||
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On January 06 2017 13:08 Grackaroni wrote: I'm referring to this: Now you're trying to argue that GB lied about his check on you because it should have showed up blue. Also agree with Grack, pretty sure this is a legit scum slip. Good shit Grack | ||
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1) unlikely 2) even more unlikely that he can use them consecutively on the same person. So even if he's telling the truth about having the bandages, he could still be scum, and even if he's town, he could only provide one more check. Really want to see what btdt's checks are besides disformation | ||
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On January 06 2017 15:33 LightningStrike wrote: darth if I could I would give you the bandages but I can't unfortunately unless I misread how to do it. why can't you? | ||
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On January 07 2017 02:12 disformation wrote: Like nothing against slam and chez, but having those two in one game with a coinflip new guy and half the players just stopping to play the game, is really harsh. Yea I know lol. How is btdt the freakin cop and decides he doesn't want to play when he should have like 3 checks, no? | ||
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On January 07 2017 02:34 Time Traveler wrote: Why are people leaving the game so randomly, though? That's fucking disgusting LightningStrike is leaving because his logic broke down, his rage was faked, and we caught him on it. | ||
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On January 07 2017 07:11 disformation wrote: here you can see the artists rendition of a nuke that got so old and fat that its very own propulsion doesnt work anymore and must be dropped from a plane. it signifies the absurdity of old military personal holding onto old grudges and believes and thereby endangering the world with their refusal to step down. the white things are supposed to be clouds btw. ![]() I endorse this message | ||
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On January 07 2017 09:41 disformation wrote: I am a bit worried/confused that LS got like no votes and BTDT quite a lot. That was without the cop knowledge right? though I'm getting more and more paranoid the longer he doesn't return | ||
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On January 08 2017 04:20 disformation wrote: After the House of Brown thing I kinda have trust issues when it comes to the hosts. So I'd rather avoid it. xD Don't check me in the night unless you want to be very disappointed lol. I'm going to come back as "brown" | ||
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See post above. If he was bullshitting there would be no way he would guess that my check would come back brown, hence no matter what he said would be an obvious lie | ||
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On January 08 2017 04:45 beentheredonethat wrote: That's actually a good catch Oo I didn't think of that. Check me and you'll confirm that I'm Brown | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:37 LightningStrike wrote: FOR ALL I CARE: MODS MOD KILL ME PLEASE? THANKS IN ADVANCE Honestly don't even care if you're town at this point. I really hope you're scum just so you know this baby rage meta is useless from now on | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:50 beentheredonethat wrote: Is that like part of your QT stuff? "You return brown upon cop checks"? They didn't get anything apparently. If I'm checked I'll return brown | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Lynch will be between LS and TT2. Ever since darth (it was darth, right?) brought up the other game where LS did the exact same thing as scum, I'm totally fine with LS dying. Although I have like the standard paranoia that everyone has I guess. Yea he just did that in the last game I obs'd like a week ago | ||
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On January 08 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: You could be right and it's Foley + 1. That's still going to be my vote regardless. Buts it's not | ||
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Yes I did. I used the surgical kit on him which was a one time save. That was before I was aware of the disformation btdt thing | ||
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On January 08 2017 10:24 disformation wrote: One of grack and df is scum btw why??? | ||
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On January 08 2017 15:22 Grackaroni wrote: Because we were the people pushing LS when they lynched tt2. lolz. + Show Spoiler + check the qt | ||
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On January 09 2017 02:40 disformation wrote: Cause being both the counterwagon to scum and being town checked makes it a bunch more unlikely for him being town. he also posts better stuff ever since he calmed down. Wait btdt town checked him? Must've missed that then lol | ||
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That's good enough for me | ||
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On January 09 2017 04:52 Tictock wrote: I dunno what to think about LS honestly. Like I think that EoD was super weird with how close the votes were and how overall dead the thread was. Traveler not voting LS for survival also seems really odd if LS is town. I'm feeling like Mafia kinda had to have been afk kus Dis went back to LS and Traveler could have moved to LS then and saved himself. Though LS being Scum also explains this pretty well also. We should almost definitely be lynching into Chez, GB, and LS tomorrow I think. That's actually a very good point | ||
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On January 09 2017 05:21 beentheredonethat wrote: I really dislike GB by now. He's not in thread, but somehow manages to drive by, drop a read or two and vote. That's like the definition of a lurky scummer. He has not contributed much, hasn't engaged in discussions and didn't push anyone (or did he, I don't think so). What really bugs me is that I have received a punishment for not praising disformation: I may not grab items from the feast. However, Glowingbear claims that as a punishment, he may not use his ability this night. I assume there were more people being punished or where we the only ones not praising disformation? Because if everyone who didn't praise disformation may not participate in the feast, then GlowingBear is clearly lying and his rolecop claim would be fake. Which would make LS most likely town since he's the only one that GB attacked when he made that claim, right? I guess it's host WIFOM, but I highly doubt the hosts would send out different punishments. You're both apparently blue roles, so if one of you were going to get their role stopped, the other one would logically have that happen as well. I think this means GB is quite likely mafia, especially considering his activity, "forgetting" about the game, EoD actions etc. | ||
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On December 29 2016 10:25 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi's lynch was worst lynch 2016 although I've voted him because I sheeped (sheeped Grack btw) On December 29 2016 10:27 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry Koshi. I should've defended you On December 29 2016 11:04 GlowingBear wrote: Because I was upset my lynch targets weren't up for lynch and I decided to sheep because I was (am) in a pub On December 29 2016 11:05 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi was never the best realistic lynch today Then he forgets about the game for almost all of D2 or whatever. This sequence is very scummy to me, and I pointed it out at the time. | ||
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On January 09 2017 07:23 disformation wrote: Oh snap. Did miss btdt saying he also got punished, but a different one. THough imo that may be because: That post might have gotten him a harsher punishment? Maybe? But it's super problematic and a big headache to figure out if that's the case. I mean in theory, we could both be right. He could've gotten a harsher punishment while also being mafia lol | ||
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On January 10 2017 09:31 Time Traveler wrote: This is assuming you're VT, of course. Also, talking about the other setup, I was darthfoley loyal advisor... I was planning a secret love romance but hosts fucked up. Shame on them. I expect you to treat me with the same dignity and respect I so deserve | ||
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On January 10 2017 18:43 Superbia wrote: df posted in this game? I missed that lolol. i'm trying to follow this game and/or truly care about the outcome, but this is proving hard given irl stuff and another mafia game going on. meh, i shall attempt to conjure some motivation today + Show Spoiler + inb4 omg scum readzzzz omg | ||
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god damn right i am | ||
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Hmmm | ||
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What would've happened if I had gotten the ring from Grack? That was also in my quest TT haha | ||
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On January 14 2017 10:12 darthfoley wrote: Wow so there wasn't any mafia in the House of brown. What a coincidence that they killed Superbia lol. What would've happened if I had gotten the ring from Grack? That was also in my quest TT haha | ||
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I was Magistrate of Brown in our QT. You were actually quite clever to come up with the Disciple of Brown ploy. I wasn't sure how I was gonna get the ring off of Grack without alerting him to our quest | ||
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https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/89iWXVWwWMS97 | ||
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On January 15 2017 04:21 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't notice the ring at all. Is that what DF was calling me a liar for? Yea. I thought at the time that you were intentionally keeping it secret for some reason, so I wanted to make you paranoid and/or tell the truth. I had to get the ring off you without hinting to the existence of the ring or the quest... so I couldn't be direct with you unfortunately ![]() | ||
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On January 15 2017 13:33 Chezinu wrote: Not directed to you per say, but here are good starts for town play in general when analyzing the game: Normally, a good tactic would be to focus on votes and compare to what people say. And watch for drastic changes in people's opinion of people right before a lynch ends. See who the dead mafia talked about the least. Support pressure voting to get lazy/inactive townies to play to win. Sometimes they need pressure. Study people's meta if they have a readable meta... Focus on those who you think are town and have a past history of being right. When you are leaning a certain way and someone you trust does too. It is a good indication you are going the right way (I use to do this all the time with players like Ver, BC, koshi, vivax..etc). I wouldn't always speak it in the thread, but I would be watching as I trolled. My votes would show my true colors. Oh course, when I'm mafia. I try to counter almost all of these. Which lives us to know your audience or players. Know your serious players, troll players, casual, prone to inactivity.. Playing mafia requires a multi-facet approach. Both Town and Mafia must fight to resist a lynch unless your town and want to prevent a potential blue from getting lynch. The nature of this game made it easy for mafia to expound on people's false beliefs about the game (there are no mafia) or to make them believe in the see (have a mafia inventor and time traveling message). I would not hold this game as a true assessment of your skills. This game was not born in matrimony. wtf is this logical progression of thoughts from the ever wise Chezinu? I don't think i've ever seen such clear points from you | ||
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