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i will also have to make sure i actually understand the order of actions | ||
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 I don't want to be mayor because i'm still figuring out how this game will work lol | ||
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On February 23 2016 08:03 ritoky wrote: This isn't really relevant to wanting to or being okay with going first. Why do you want your cell to go first? Also what do you think is a good cell order? I think A is a hard cell; Kuragari was low activity lynchbait in the only game I played with him; you're good and you've coached me so i'm wary of you for that reason, and I haven't played with SL before, but spec'd a game or two of his (no read on him). Cell B: I've played one game with scum!Shapelog and he was quite spammy; only game i've played with Damdred he was killed N1 because he was almost universally town read. Never played with OWS. Cell C: Played with Rels in Star Wars now that I think about it, I correctly town read him for most of the game until he was NK'd. LS replaced into that game and successfully made people correctly read him town pretty quickly, though people were reading AFK Onegu scum. In my one scum game I was trash, and I think I've been not lynch bait and halfway decent in my other games as town; i'm a pretty solid read for some people in this game. I don't agree with Damdred's analysis of cell C-- I don't think i'm lynch bait. Cell D: I've played a couple games with VA and I think I have a basic read on his play. He's one of the few people I feel "comfortable" reading (see Unoriginal + Star Wars games). Never played with FF or Breshke, so i'll keep an eye on them but meh for right now. I would rate this a harder cell. Cell E: Rather comfortable playing with Kush (3 games now I think, as scum team + both town). All I know about Vivax is that he got early scum read in PYP and from what you guys said, he's more afk as mafia(?). Don't know bum at all. I'm not really sure what strategy we use to determine cell order. I'm most wary of cells D and E in terms of people I don't know. | ||
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I was pretty much town read both games D1 when I was town/before I came out as blue. It wasn't the strongest read ever, but I never had that much pressure on me because my play was organic. Only reason my name came up later in Star Wars was because I was lazy town and wanted the game to finish. I've only played with LS for 1/2 of a game so I defer to other people's reads on him until I can formulate my own. I agree with ritoky that Rels comes across more town as the game goes along, from what i've seen. | ||
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On February 23 2016 09:52 Damdred wrote: Then in what order would you put the cells Darth? And are you toe reading rit? Anyone here? I've read over the thread again and read through you and ritoky's filter. I have a pretty strong TR on you right now. I like that you got down to business pretty early and explained your reasoning behind your cell order. I don't actually agree with it though-- after I've thought about the game format, I think cell C should be 2nd or 3rd, for reasons ritoky has already mentioned. (my order is below) I also am currently town reading ritoky, but as I've mentioned i'm always kinda hesitant with him because he coached me very well in my last game as town and I feel like i'm an easy pocket for him. Part of the reason why I TR him is because I think his progression on me so far comes from town!ritoky-- the one longish post I made wasn't particularly great in any way. It actually makes me think he's more town for raising questions about my play. (Not trying to buddy or pocket me). Personally i'm fine with either of you being mayor so far. Will probably hold my vote for a bit, but I like ritoky's cell order better than yours currently... so I am leaning to vote him. Right now my cell order would be D/E C A B. I'm more comfortable with D going first because I think I have a decent grasp of Kush's play, and others have a good grasp of Vivax. In terms of powers, I would consider using one on group D but I don't think it's wise to use either on my cell. I think using the other one on cell A, or perhaps E is also good. Why do you want your cell 4th and cell A 5th? | ||
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On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote: im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier Why would mafia not want an AFK party near the end? Also, didn't particularly like Kush's response On February 23 2016 08:55 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Inactive people in early cells is bad because there's not a lot of content to go off of While that's true, you're kinda just kicking the can down the road if you want to keep AFK people in longer. Wouldn't town benefit longer from having many active players left in longer? | ||
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Regarding cell D: do you have any reads on the three? Do you make anything of my post above about Breshke? | ||
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On February 23 2016 20:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: You seem to admit that there are pros and cons to it. What makes one benefit definitively better than the other? Why does it make me scum for valuing one over the other? I never said one was definitely better than the other, but I don't think I really mentioned any pros to your strategy, which is why I questioned you in the first place. Unless you consider kicking the can down the road to be a pro. I do however think that gambling that inactive/afk people early game are going to get helpful and active later in the game-- especially if their inactivity is what got their cells placed later-- is just that: a gamble. With active players (e.g. cells A and B) isn't it a safer play to leave them in the game longer simply because their activity will allow them to be town read/scum read easier and because they'll create good town discussion? From what I've thought about your strategy, it just seems like it would benefit mafia more than town to not have that many strong towns/active towns late game and rely on low activity players to win the game for town. Am I missing something? | ||
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On February 23 2016 23:34 Shapelog wrote: Totally Darth. Leave the Cell with the "Spammy Enigma" alive to create " good town discussion." I read a bit (did not bother looking at alignments btw) and kush did that last cell game (or one of them). I think we should spread them out tbh. Makes it a best of both worlds. (Theoretically speaking) Heavily active: Cell A, Cell B Weakly active: Cell C Weakly Afk: Cell D (could prob. be below.) Heavily Afk: Cell E Idk how to order it though. I sense some sarcasm lol. Tbf Shape, I have called you a spammy enigma, but I said cells A and B should go later because they could create good town discussion OR because they will probably be solidly read by late game. Why don't you know how to order it? Seems like you drew lots of conclusions from the cells. You say you like that Breshke doesn't want afk people last, but you town read Kush who has the exact opposite approach for cell order (actives first, afks later). Why? | ||
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I'm not sure why people are town reading FF. Most of his posts about other games or kinda useless. I found it kinda weird when he called Breshke out for talking actively about cell order pros/cons. On February 23 2016 09:24 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh so I'm in a cell with breshke. All his posts are pretty benign questions that don't talk about anyone, just about cell order. If he's so interested in cell order why is he so disinterested in mayor? Mostly setup talk so far actually so it's not enough to call him scum but I don't particularly like anything he's posted so far Posts he was referencing: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2016 07:25 Breshke wrote: Should all would be mayors post what their cell order would be since that is really the only thing that would differentiate them? Just at a quick glance ritoky like say without reading anyone's posts what would you make the order? On February 23 2016 07:35 Breshke wrote: Rit is the assumption right that you want to put the "strong" players in the final cells and the weaker players in the early cells? Or is cell 4 more important than cell 5 because cell 5 you have like all the information to go off? On February 23 2016 08:24 Breshke wrote: im kind of confused here though. If all the active people are put in the earlier phases won't that mean the later phases are just an afk party. I thought you would do it the other way around and put cells with the less active people earlier I don't think any of these posts are bad, and they give me a towny vibe from Breshke. You don't have to be running for mayor to care about cell order. This sounds like someone trying to work through the strategy of cell order from town perspective. VA I am slightly scum reading right now... I liked Kush's reasoning behind his cell order and where to put easy/hard cells more than VA's argument, but I am not sure if that's alignment indicative yet. Seems like a mafia thing to want: planting the hard cells early so they just win a quick 3-0 or 3-1. VA's only real contribution so far is that on the off chance we get to cell 5 and the game is going, town will have a better chance of winning. I think Kush's approach of win now rather than later is much more town oriented. Think we should think about 50/50 here if the play doesn't pick up | ||
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On February 24 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm Breshke and VA voted for off wagons. Very odd. Will check out their reasons for their votes when I get home. VA why did you vote for Kush mayor? | ||
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