|
On November 07 2016 07:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 07:08 Calix wrote:
Agreed. This activity is more of a mood-killer than depression.
Hopefully Rels/ Skynx will ACTUALLY POST NOW and this game will become a game again.
At least we have the town circle thing. That's pretty much the only thing that's been useful about Day 2 so far. This town circle was formed day 1 though. So, uh, what does DF being removed from your 'shit list' mean? ie what is your read on him?
He might be scum if 2/3 of Foreman/ Skynx/ Rels are just Tier 1 shitters. However I don't know what his game plan is if he is mafia but he's not exceptionally townie either so I take everything he says with a pinch of salt.
Something like that.
|
MASSIVE DEFENCE ALERT
This post is aimed at clarifying exactly why Mahg's case doesn't make me scum as everyone seems to be sheeping this case so this will address all of your pointers at once rather than defending against everyone one by one.
First: Calix said, when I asked her about Skynx: "I tr Skynx, because scum doesnt dare to play FU-all". Now I have only read Dota2, he was scum, and he used pretty much the same style from early on. From all the posts about Skynx meta I conclude, that this seems to be his town meta too... So... This isn't really swaying me in one direction or the other. ust to get this out of the way.
This is biased, as he has only read my 2nd ever scum game whilst ignoring my 10 or so previous games rolling town where I lost like 1-2. Point about my meta is therefore incomplete. To say the least, I have no meta, I just try to apply logic in every scenario and end up getting scumread for it most of the time, which is most of the time part of the strategy as I only got nk'd twice.
In dota2mafia I didn't had that much time to play, in addition Koshi and Vivax were confirmed scum from D1 so i being lazy just bussed them early on and see what happens. Some ppl noticing this, bring up my meta, where everything has to happen for a reason and claimed my reasons for sr'ing them were shit.
Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). You will see how this makes sense later on.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:37 Skynx wrote:Bad stuff:Mahg Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:28 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:17 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. ![[image loading]](http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/qq303/neko_riddles/Fighting_Over_Marisa_From_Touhou_Pr.gif) So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment Why so defensive, mate? :< "Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang. mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c: 1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days! 2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here. 3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male. Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording. Then this happens: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote:
@Exo
so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate? Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing. Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:22 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote:
@Foreman
Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU?
Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there? The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous. Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear. Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how? Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it. Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion. Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me. Where is your follow up on Exo then? --- Calix All started with this: Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Bolded sentence implies a scumread, as if someone thinks a sane person would do something illogical from a town perspective that would suggest it would be a logical move from scum perspective. This gets noticed, and called out by many including Exo, NU, Foreman and magh? if i remember correctly and see how much defence there is for "I didn't scumread Exo". I'm spoilering them cuz they are just so many. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? On November 03 2016 03:35 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with. That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up. Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not. On November 03 2016 03:40 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:38 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:33 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push. Discredit noted. Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion. Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so. I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question. No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world. It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town. Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push. Not the same thing. If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place. Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates. I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me. Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him.See my previous response for my take on anti-town/ pro-scum. On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town.- He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. On November 03 2016 05:10 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO. "all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on. With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me. On November 03 2016 05:17 Calix wrote:
Stating that someone's illogical =/= scum-read, Skynx dear.
As for mahrgell, if you're using mind melds to inform a read then that's fine. But from my point of view, I don't get the same impression when it's vice versa. I would have to see you post things first that I agreed with before I would make that read. It's mostly been you agreeing with me if I recall correctly so I can see where you're coming from in terms of perspective. The whole thing is just so bullshit. Ofc you imply that he is scum. How can you say that he is being anti-town but at the same time say that "sorry guys he's anti-town but I'm not scumreading him"? What was the point of that in the end? Obviously nothing, you tried something as a scum and got called out and had to backpaddle for next 5 pages try to bury it. ---- Foreman Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Very dodgy vote for "overanalyzing = tryhard" or w/e. Gets called out by Calix, as his vote came after NU with very little reasoning behind. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. First, it was not a push. You voted Calix for absolutely nothing scum indicative then call his callout discrediting you. Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:38 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:33 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:20 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:19 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should ##Vote Calix Sheep vote noted. How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard? So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push. Discredit noted. Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it: 1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?) 2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so. You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion. Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so. I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question. No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world. It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town. Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push. Not the same thing. If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place. Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates. I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me. You didn't have a push. You voted, then made up reasons for it cuz the vote was shit: The so called "tryhard and overanalyzing" transformed into "going after low hanging fruit and motivating people to behave anti-town" - accuses 3 players of scummish behaviour/mistakes - no followup or conclusion. - Should this be read as "you are scum" or as a "you are town but suck"? - If it is the first, I would expect him to follow up on it. But he did not. - If it is the second, shouldn't it be in his interest to guide them to the light, instead of shading them with this aimless post. If you consider them shitty town mates, you need them! To me this posts fits a scum agenda. From a mafia POV: He spots legitimate weaknesses by townies, brings them up, casts doubt, but no follow up.
Not every read in the game has to be scum or town. These are not scumreads for a reason. This is the proper way of progressing the game as opposed to blatant spamming prior to this.
Let's take a look at what this accomplished. People accounted in this list had the obvious necessity of reacting to it, what matters is tho their reaction. Your reply made sense, it logically accounted for and answered everything I asked there, as opposed to TT's reaction where he basically ignored all the pointers and just wrote whatever cuz people don't read.
This resulted in me adding town points for you and scum points for TT, a culmination of which, results in a definite read from me.
TL;DR: this should not be read as what mahg suggested earlier on (aka you're scum or town) instead it's a way of progressing the game in a positive and collected manner.
Instead he followed it up with a case on TT. Uhm... Yeah. I can't really follow it. At this point TT was mostly untouched, and this was like a "Look, I'm a cool guy and go for someone no one ever went for" This isn't a bad thing, but when doing it I would have expected something more convincing. But this case reads weaker than what he brought against Calix or me just the post before.
Well, I disagree. I think those two posts made by TT are so bad that he spent the rest of the game trying to make up for them.
I'm split on his post on NUIt kinda ignores the maybe-softconfirm on NU... But in general it voices a lot of concerns I have with NU. I can't make up my mind how to interpret doing such a post against a softconfirm (without detailing why you doubt the softconfirm). I can find good explanations and bad explanations, so maybe someone else wants to share his opinion on that.
Remember the point about logic? Modconfirms are nothing to me unless they are 100% like Palmar giving away his doctor role on previous haunted haus. I read it and it didn't make sense to me, nor to rest of the town. When a modconfirm happens everyone is on it and its undeniable, which is not the case here and NU trying to present it like that is irritating to say the least.
Also nice thing you ignored everything else...
Finally a list post: Who doesn't love those. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Calix is quite null actually this was hard to decide. His early game has been bad a he should know better by now after 3 games here that him vs NU just results in them filling filters and nothing else. He needs more thorough read for sure. I'm mostly townreading him on tone which I'm kinda confident after playing with him often in past few months, which i know is bad but its the best i can do atm.
Darth had that conspiracy about his opinion on me as a reason Rels and some others scumread, which doesn't mean anything imo but need to read him later on. I just got the feeling he's not been bad overall.
I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
Read above for opinions on Rels.
Read cases in filter for opinions on NU and TT.
I bolded the part that triggers me. Okay, he doubted me at first, later said he liked my reasoning in a oneliner. Suddenly I'm toptown. Wow, quick progression, but he posted an explanation why this is the case, okay. I bolded the key part. His next town is Exo. Didn't I just spent the largest part of my more recent post (at this time) volume on casing Exo? He even asks in his next post for cases on Exo and questions why I'm voting him. WTF? - You liked my posts? But hadn't yet found a case on exo? - You liked my posts, but don't know why I'm voting him? - You call me out for having no reasoning in my vote, but call me your toptown?
Again back to reasoning. Now, I knew Exo was town. I just fking knew it by some divine righteousness (aka scumqt lololol) So what distincts you, Calix, Darth from NU/TT? Reasoning.
You had a solid case on him backed by logical evidence, even if it's wrong, thats a town tell. Town is usually wrong on D1 so dw about that. I didn't call you out for that post, that was way before. You do have a point with "you don't know why i'm voting him":
+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2016 01:38 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:25 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him. How is NU objective scum? I saw nothing of the sort in your case. I also disagree that TT is 'objective scum'. I'm also not sure how you missed all of the ExO posts with regards to the early game/ TT's case/ Rels' post before he voted for ExO/ my posts prior to voting for ExO/ darthfoley's post before voting for ExO. I'm not saying that everything in those posts I've flagged up meets your criteria of 'objective scum' but there's definitely a better case for ExO compared to TT/ NU. I disagree. Can you bring up cases on Exo? I know Rels is voting Exo cuz of over defensiveness. I know NU is voting Exo for very very bad reasons which makes him scum, this is in my case. Same for TT. I have no idea why you, Foreman and mahg vote Exo.
This was a an obv bait. Calix and you were the only ones to have proper cases and Foreman was afk. I know this sounds fishy but there is no other way to put this.
This was supposed to underline why voting Exo makes NU/TT scum: because they had nothing more than 2 sentences worth of material to scumread Exo.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 05 2016 01:56 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:53 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Yes I have been following it. I still don't follow your point though. If you think ExO is town then what are your thoughts on how the trains have formed? In terms of your cases, I'm really not convinced by your NU case and I didn't find anything damning when I filtered TT earlier unless I go full tinfoil and I didn't like DF's case. Yeah, Foreman. If something is 'over-aggressive' then does that not imply that it's scummy? I'll build up on both TT and NU cases in the night to convince more people i guess. I feel like Exo lynch will only strengthen my point. Again, I bolded the part that struck me. (this same line is repeated few posts later) This posts starts a build up I really don't like. He never doubts for a moment that Exo could be scum. His best reasoning for Exo not being scum were some emotells on retaliation and everything. It's okay to believe Exo to be town. But 100% sure he is town? No way. But from this point on, Skynx started his campaign of: "I defended Exo all the time, Exo flips Green, I'm the good guy." He later on confirms my case to be convincing, yet his question at Exo is again "what you thing about foreman and Mahrgell?" What am I? Toptown? unreasoned voter? convincing? scumsus again? What a rollercoaster.
Reasons Exo was 100% town at that point:
1) retaliation for right reasons
2) there is only 1 wagon which formed very quickly with half the voters sheeping.
3) meta cuz I just left a scumgame with exo as partner and it was totally different.
I did bring up all these points before the lynch and they were quickly thrown under the rug for whatever reason.
I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU.
His opinion on Foreman matters who hasn't done shit, and his opinion on you is just another pointer on you. You were top town but reads are never definite, they change all the time and all the stuff that culminates into that pool has their weighing.
I somehow liked this post. So I expected some critical thinking now. Some arguments. But I was let down. The problem I see is: in all those posts he confirms how he believes this to be a mislynch. He defends Exo_ lightly. But... I fail to see where he tried to change it. If he was so sure of this to be wrong, why not change the track? Again push for another lynch, convince people to hop off Exo, and follow Skynx read. This all reads like "please lynch Exo, so I'm proven correct that he is good". He started casting doubt on Exo voters motivation. But this is not what was needed here to save Exo. What was needed was another train. Throwing one vote around randomly isn't doing that. He was more concerned about being right than about changing the lynch.
Thing about shennanies are they go same way with reads. If one does shennanie on to someone without proper reasoning while having a solid case on the vote already then I can't really interpret that as town or scum.
Let's imagine a case where Calix shennanies off to TT aswell as NU.
On November 05 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:57 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:55 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 02:54 ExO_ wrote:
If there is one thing you do please listen to me:
You need to figure out the scum out of Rels/TT/NU
They are going to try to push suspicion on to people like skynx here. Do not let them. I'm speaking to all of you town, figure out which one of them is scum and lynch them These kinds of posts are making me think ExO is town. Fuck. I'll just say that if you are town then I'll keep this in mind. inb4 Skynx calls out Calix for distancing /unignore Calix has reasons to vote Exo, unlike somebody. /ignore
Now what separates NU from Calix? Sometimes its better to leave lynches be and draw information from it even if you knew its a mislynch. I'm perfectly capable shennanying scum, people here can confirm that.
He later again picked a fight with NU. I actually share his concerns regarding NU again but now as I wrote this all up...
This actually started with quite some time left before lynch. And he promised t make a case on NU during the night. Oh, great. Exactly what is needed to save someone you are sure to be town from a mislynch.
I feel much worse about Skynx now than before writing. I originally felt like he was Neut, maximum a slight scumlean. But at this point I'm strongly scum leaning him.
My case on Exo was mostly due to his seemingly complete lack of town agenda.
But with Skynx... At this point I can see a full blown scum agenda here. All I see him do it throwing around shade at virtually everyone. He then pulls back, and goes at it again with someone else. Most of those shade throws are not tied to any consequence. (I'm aware that I'm very fond of doing that too, but I explained my reasoning and I believe that my play style is very different from Skynx)
And this buildup for the Exolynch just triggers me hard.
Bolded is the key bit here trust me. If all i said above doesn't tie together then go ahead lynch me. But the Exo townread is still the main driver behind my train apparently so I'm just asking you to make a balance between the two.
If my points above are shit, you lynch me. If i fail to make sense on NU/TT, you lynch me. But pls for the sake of god don't lynch me cuz wifom wifom I tr'd Exo on EoD cuz thats fking stupid.
|
|
|
On November 05 2016 03:14 Calix wrote:
So I think we should take TT into consideration more. I'm wary because he just led a ML and I'm not sure wherever scum!TT would do this. After all, people will naturally focus on the person who had yelled for ExO's head the entire day and only had one scum-read and scum don't want attention.
However I find TT's reluctance to see ExO's actions from a town perspective prior to the lynch to be suspect. He ignored Rels' earlier point about ExO's VT claim and kept making generalisations about ExO's play at EOD.
(also salty/ biased because his tinfoil theory against me was absolute crap)
So I am not a fan right now.
On November 05 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:I would just like to say that Skynx's "ExO is town because of how he retaliated against the pushes against him" logic stretches back a long way. I'm in TT's filter and in Skynx's TT case, he criticises TT for scum-reading ExO because " he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes." This means that Skynx didn't just randomly invent a reason to town-read ExO. Also TT's point about "scum not wanting to draw attention to themselves" still doesn't make any sense. He town-reads Skynx for it (but retracts it later because 'he's self-aware about it being his town-meta'). This 'logic' leads to this delightful piece of wankery: Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:23 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:09 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote:
Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?
If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames. Eh? Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic. Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null. Because I was giving his early posts a townlean because he was drawing attn to himself and scum tend to not want to do that. However if Skynx has an established meta (and more importantly is self aware of it) of playing scummy at the start of the game to draw attention then my initial thinking no longer applies. Scum!skynx would go out of his way to act scummy at the start simply to replicate that aspect of his townplay. And thinking about it more this was it would make Skynx's early posts make more sense if he is scum trying to replicate his bad start of day play. Stuff like calling the entire early game NAI, and complaining about reading constantly make a bit more sense coming from scum trolling than town trolling. However this is prob a line of thought that only makes sense to me. The logic is absent. There are only assumptions to be found. (also the last line hedges on his theory because even he knows how utterly moronic it is. I'm only noting this because he's been doing that hedging thing a lot)
On November 05 2016 06:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:@Tictock He also scum-reads ExO because 'he didn't want to draw attention to himself by only posting gifs' What's the issue here? He somehow thinks that ExO overreacting to my question, being overly defensive and lashing out at me is something that...will NOT get ExO a shit-load of attention...? He has to think that. Why? - He scum-reads ExO. - He claims that scum don't like attention and that ExO didn't post gifs because he didn't want attention. - Therefore he has to think that ExO's reaction was intentionally designed to not get attention onto ExO. Here's what I found: On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. How does anyone think that attacking me and getting salty are things that won't draw attention to ExO? My god you are digging so deep into this, and I thought we went over it already.Exo's scumread on you was pure reaction, even when I thought he was scum I thought that. I never thought it was some grandly designed post, it was basically just like the rest of Exo's reads which were just "Fuck you for scum reading me". I really don't get why this argument keeps coming up, there was a very clear difference between Exo's early posting and Skynx's early posting. I'm not going to use the same metric/logic/whatever when I feel like there is a clear difference in the posting.If you are going to keep up this line of thinking you should actually relook at their opening posts and tell me why I should have blindly used the same logic with both of them. Then you should explain why I, as scum, would even bother suggesting skynx might be town for drawing attn to himself rather than just let him draw that attn and push him along with Exo... which I did anyways. The TLDR of this is Exo's posts looked like he was just reacting and trying to step up to play seriously after you questioned him, Skynx responded to pressure with more bullshitting. Not the same posting, not using the same logic, hence my read was different. Please scum read me for better reasons, talking about the same point over and over gets old.
On November 06 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:
Looks like I'll just be teaming up with TT then. He seems to have screwed his head back on.
##vote Rels
I dunno why you drop on TT so easily Calix.
The point is valid, Exo's early retaliation and over-aggressiveness to you pressuring him was his only reason to vote Exo. However, that doesn't make exo scum for the reasons mentioned, therefore he is just bullshitting here.
I dunno about the part where he townread me for drawing attention so I can't really comment on that. The bolded where he suggests its because we have different post styles is just a long shot, it can go both ways and its not any definite argument we can use here.
The main bit is he literally lynched Exo for no reason that would make him scum. I dunno why people just don't focus on actual big hitters.
|
On November 07 2016 07:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:
*yawn*
I will literally hate everyone here forever if we somehow lose to this troll.
|
On November 07 2016 07:56 Skynx wrote:I will literally hate everyone here forever if we somehow lose to this troll.
You just scum-claimed.
|
So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this:
1. I didn't understand most of it very well.
2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever.
3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response.
4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2)
+ Show Spoiler +Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here.
|
On November 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote:So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this: 1. I didn't understand most of it very well. 2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever. 3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response. 4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2) + Show Spoiler +Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here.
Exactly that, Calix.
None of what Skynx said mattered at the time the accusations were made against him nor matters now that he is posting this.
He used a bunch of words and space to say what Rels said in 3 lines.
|
On November 07 2016 07:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote:So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this: 1. I didn't understand most of it very well. 2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever. 3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response. 4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2) + Show Spoiler +Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here. Exactly that, Calix. None of what Skynx said mattered at the time the accusations were made against him nor matters now that he is posting this.He used a bunch of words and space to say what Rels said in 3 lines.
You didn't even read it...
You literally just saying it means nothing without reading what i said.
|
What exactly are you doing next, Skynx? Run me through what you're going to post next and why plz. Or just get on with whatever you're going to post next. Either works.
|
A bunch of Skynx's shit is factually incorrect.
I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU.
You had 0 intent to shenannie onto TT. All of your EoD posts were on me. Factually incorrect.
Notice how scummy the ending of the quote is? He "defended" ExO to bring out TT and I instead of defending ExO because he town-read ExO. That's the epitome of self-interest right there.
Thing about shennanies are they go same way with reads. If one does shennanie on to someone without proper reasoning while having a solid case on the vote already then I can't really interpret that as town or scum.
Let's imagine a case where Calix shennanies off to TT aswell as NU.
Now what separates NU from Calix? Sometimes its better to leave lynches be and draw information from it even if you knew its a mislynch. I'm perfectly capable shennanying scum, people here can confirm that.
This is purely theoretical talk, and isn't worth shit.
This was supposed to underline why voting Exo makes NU/TT scum: because they had nothing more than 2 sentences worth of material to scumread Exo.
TT had written a case on ExO. The first case on ExO actually. Factually incorrect.
I read [modconfirm] and it didn't make sense to me, nor to rest of the town.
Factually incorrect.
Key thing here is reason and logic. I hate hate players who defy all logic (*cough* Moosy *cough*) and love players who take it as a pillar of townplay (aka Koshi). You will see how this makes sense later on.
??????
|
On November 07 2016 08:05 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2016 07:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 07 2016 07:57 Calix wrote:So I read the entire thing and I'm not sure what to make of it. I'll reread in the morning in case I'm just missing anything because I'm tired but my initial impressions are this: 1. I didn't understand most of it very well. 2. I thought a bunch of the defense went off-topic and didn't add anything whatsoever. 3. I didn't feel any townie motivation shine through in the posts and it was boring. By boring, I mean that I have to keep scrolling up to remember what Skynx said even though I just read and reread it twice before making this fucking response. 4. A lot of it felt debate-orientated to me. (ties in with point 2) + Show Spoiler +Also this is a moonlogic-tier point but I find it scummy when people switch from using "mahrgell" in the third person to "you" when addressing mahrgell in the way that Skynx did. I could tell people why but nobody would have a clue what I was on about. So I'll just leave this here. Exactly that, Calix. None of what Skynx said mattered at the time the accusations were made against him nor matters now that he is posting this.He used a bunch of words and space to say what Rels said in 3 lines. You didn't even read it... You literally just saying it means nothing without reading what i said.
I read it all. That's a puny attempt at discrediting me.
|
On November 07 2016 07:43 Skynx wrote:
Reasons Exo was 100% town at that point:
1) retaliation for right reasons
2) there is only 1 wagon which formed very quickly with half the voters sheeping.
3) meta cuz I just left a scumgame with exo as partner and it was totally different.
I did bring up all these points before the lynch and they were quickly thrown under the rug for whatever reason.
I could try to bring up a shennanie but only NU was willing and hihihi guess what, he's not gona go on TT. The point of my whole Exo defence was to bring out TT/NU.
Your reason to townread ExO are too perfect. When I pushed you during EOD to explain them you even admitted it:
On November 05 2016 02:36 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:32 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 02:29 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:27 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 02:25 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:23 Rels wrote:Skynx: On November 05 2016 01:59 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
Why is it a towntell ? If you think he would do that as town, what would he do as scum ? Blatant ridiculing of pushes cuz they are weak as fuck. He cannot instantly push them back as scum cuz he already has the information and he doesn't know yet how those people gona turn out later on so he cannot aford to take heat on himself early on. That doesn't make sense. How he was extremely defensive for nothing and attacking his pushers instead of their arguments is why he got heat in the first place. Not for nothing. Pushes were bad so he counter pushed. That makes sense. He cannot do that as scum less than an hour into the game cuz those ppl can turn out townie and that would look bad on him. You're saying these posts are townie ? On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything y our attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment On November 03 2016 03:15 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:12 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:11 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:08 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:06 ExO_ wrote:On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote:
NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind. So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do. You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif? Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response) And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response. If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game. You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum ##vote Calix On November 03 2016 03:25 ExO_ wrote:
What about my response is overly defensive? I'm pointing out that essentially reminding me I promised to "post gifs" Isn't going to help town in any way. Furthermore, its not something a reasonable person would think would help town.
Assuming for a second I took the time to answer Calix's question about why I didn't just post gifs: How does that help town? My explanation doesn't help town at all, nor would it be expected to help town. However a reasonably expectable reaction to Calix's question would be for me to start posting gifs again.
So long story short, I think Calix posted that in the hopes I would post gifs more and not help town bolded is town. rest is bad but I can't really do anything about it. Its the same with him saying he did it to get reactions out.
Yet you continued all EOD with this weird certainty that ExO was town. It doesn't make sense. Before you decided ExO had to be confirmed town, you had these thoughts about him:
On November 05 2016 00:28 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 04:18 Calix wrote:
Reasoning? I didn't like his filter and trust skynx Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Darthfoley/Skynk have the shortest filters and might be good places to look as well. Going off filter length NU/Calix shouldn't be scum because they are so far and above everyone else. I'd find it hard to be posting that much as scum What a turnaround in just a few hours.
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
The 100%town read that followed during EOD is not understandable from a town POV. The 3 reasons you list are so vague, you never used a single post of him to defend him. I think you just decided you would defend him and didn't execute it well. It's not natural.
|
I'm caught up and I want to lynch Skynx. I think Foreman is scum with Skynx, with a slight possibility of Calix.
##Vote Skynx
|
On November 07 2016 08:53 Rels wrote:
I'm caught up and I want to lynch Skynx. I think Foreman is scum with Skynx, with a slight possibility of Calix.
##Vote Skynx
Calix, that's a novelty read
Why is that?
|
Because I remember you saying she was lock town for you, hmm?
What do you make of DF now? He was in your suspect list for a while.
|
I think Skynx is very very likely scum for his behaviour during EOD. As said above, I think he decided the white knight ExO and didn't execute it well. His reasonning for townreading him doesn't show he even took the time to reread his filter before giving him a "must be town" status; him stating ExO being super defensive is a towntell, then being unable to bold more than a single line to explain it is one tell of it; then him repeating that only very few people made cases on ExO and everybody else sheeped, when a large majority of people had a logical progression to their ExO scumread.
This is in addition to his posts at the beginning of the game that seemed to be faking a "I don't care" tone, and his general activity pattern, where he tryhards by short burst of time.
|
NU that's coming, gotta be patient =D
|
Will Foreman get modkilled if he does not post in the next 3 hours? His last post was posted 45h ago.
If so, we might want to switch wagon. But we're in LyLo if Foreman is town.
|
NeverUnlucky
On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_
Reasons for the vote?
On November 04 2016 08:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:18 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote ExO_ reason? yes
On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
"I don't think you are trying to go somewhere", "phony and unsincere"
If you take him for a troll be my guest. If you think he's serious, he voted Exo for nothing that makes him scum.
On November 04 2016 09:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:So I re-read the case on Tictock and was left disappointed. Nothing mentioned makes Tictock mafia. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:51 Skynx wrote:More badness cuz of word limit Tictock Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:00 Tictock wrote:
Ok more or less caught up.
Exo and Foreman seem like the obv scum team to me atm. A little less sure on Foreman, but eh w/e.
Exo is prob scum for his reaction to Calix's questions as well as him dropping the gif stuff. Calix was right to ask him why he dropped his "I'm gunna post in mostly gifs" kus the most likely reason why he would drop that plan is if he rolled scum and decided it would draw too much attn to himself. I think the fact the he only posted the one gif kinda supports that as well.
Exo's push on Calix is pretty BS too, saying she is scum for "trying to get him to post gifs" is just stupid kus there is no way that is what she was implying. Not to mention that I don't think Calix would ever do that as scum either.
After arguing with Calix a bunch all he did was call me scum for my one liner open. Seems like the obv lynch to me.
##Vote: Exo_ Exo is scum with Foreman Exo is scum for overreacting to a bad push > No, he had right to do that, he got voted by someone else plus the guy making the push didn't vote for him and said he is not even scumreading him. He has to retaliate here otherwise people will accuse him for not going after shitty pushes. Exo is scum for dropping the gif stuff > So you actually suggest him trying to be pro-town implies he did it because he rolled mafia is absolute OMGUS. Exo is scum for shitty push on Calix > I can sort of agree with this cuz it was badly worded. However this is quite bad as Exo's push is not indicative of Calix' alignment as regardless of the retaliation, Calix' push was bad and he stepped back from it and should be pushed for it. Nothing about Foreman this is literally the worse case ever Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.
Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.
I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls. "pushing the game forward" here means voting for wrong and weak and meaningless reasons that are not there. what does this even mean? Can you like quote some stuff indicating why them two are town? Cuz i see nothing. Middle ground on me, calls me shitter, unlikely to come from scum, in the end null. If above two are town for pushing the game forward by a clear margin for you, why am I not an as clear scum for doing the absolute opposite?? These don't make any sense. Two lists of opinions about people after a long silence and they are all meaningless/wrong.
##Vote: Tictock
Defends TT. Discredits without giving any reason.
On November 04 2016 07:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Mahrgell
Vote without reason/Troll
On November 04 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have a strong feeling that Rels is town, even moreso with his latest posts. Calix, why is he your preferred lynch atm?
TR Rels, no reason.
On November 04 2016 07:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:
mahr, with cakepie's announcement, I'm pretty much mod-confirmed.
troll
On November 04 2016 11:14 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have read TT's filter and found it to be townie. Why do people scum-read him anyway? ExO seemed like an OMGUS vote while I did not find anything mafia telling in Skynx's case. Skynx, if you believe in your case, would you please highlight what makes him scum or propose new arguments? Else, who d'you think's scummeh?
As it stands, I am willing to lynch Foreman and ExO. Maybe mahrgell if I really hedge my read, and maybe Skynx as he seems like he's doing the bare minimum not to get PLed.
TR TT, no reason.
SR Foreman, no reason.
On November 05 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix. I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter. Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post? Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Asked to build up on Exo sr as he voted for no one else after all. No response.
On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind.
So let's assume he's sr'ing me cuz I'm acting wierd, what on earth that has to do with Exo's alignment? What all of a sudden made him town? No explanation ever... oh hold on:
On November 05 2016 02:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Skynx
No reasoning.
On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:
God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo.
Tone read on Exo ok... and resulting CFD on me. I'll leave this up to everyone's interpretation. Joking lol, this is totally invalid.
On November 05 2016 02:33 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote:
I can't actually believe whats going on. Calix you are getting played. ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play.
I dunno what ATE means, but sounds like an expert on my meta.
On November 05 2016 02:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:34 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:
God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? His tone feels right.
Confirms tone tr on Exo, remember his primary read on him?
your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere.
Tone sr on Exo, tone tr on Exo.
On November 05 2016 02:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:37 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:21 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:13 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " Your irony is overflowing any logic presentable. All you did all game is troll and discredit others. I dunno why is anyone townreading you at this point. I trolled this game, eh? "Discredit others": I've only discredited Calix. I can count me, Exo, Foreman by memory even without going through your filter. Anyway while you're here, why do you think Exo is mafia other than this shitty post? On November 04 2016 08:24 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I do not think like you are trying to go somewhere, I cannot see much progression in your interactions with others (ie static reads other than the 180 on Calix) and your whole "I was tunneling Calix to reaction-test those who would pressure low hanging fruit" narrative looks really phony and unsincere. Still awaiting a response on this NU. I never discredited any of the dudes you listed. The post you quoted has all your answers. So tone makes him scum. But also tone now makes him town. Okay. dafuq I literally never said ExO had a scum tone.
Nothing more to add.
I'm gona skip rest of the chit chat and NU distancing him from Exo lynch, its there p46-50 somthing if u really like.
On November 05 2016 02:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:45 mahrgell wrote:
Okay, I just made it back and finished reading up. I see no reason to change my vote. Exo's posts past my case have ust reinforced my impression further. I guess we see him flip and continue from there. I finally want to dive into Skynx/DF and TT. ^.^ Should be doing that before this nights Habs game if family doesn't keep me busy. Otherwise I for sure will have it done before end of the night.
At this point I'm actually a bit surprised how I'm suddenly everybodys darling. I guess I want to look i this progression too, as I feel kinda buddied here.
Then again... lets flip Exo first... This certainly will provide interesting information. Bolded IS SO SCUMMY. Guys, ExO is very very likely town.
I almost left this out as its wifom but still adds some points.
On November 05 2016 08:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:55 Foreman wrote:On November 05 2016 07:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
They both write "lol" in caps (Oddly I find this scummy).
LOL lmao
Remember that slight Foreman scumread? This is first time he pops in after his afk and just trolled/ignored. Not really trying to progress the game at all.
On November 05 2016 21:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 20:05 mahrgell wrote:
Okay guys. Family thrown out, I'm back in business. Let's get going.
oh, and if I have sudden bursts of aggression, its CUZ FUCK HABS AND FUCK MICHEAL THERRIEN FOR RUINING MY NIGHT. AND CAN WE JUST LYNCH NU? explain the lynch nu part i get the michel therrien part. fuck that guy srsly Show nested quote +
Finished reading up, I 100% sign Calix last post, and will now go down my own task list. If anyone else wants to chat or has more urgent stuff... just tell me.
? why do you sign this shame of a post
Remember mahg was scummy on EoD? What about pressure him to explain himself? Nope.
On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
i cant read the posts you link from liquiddota dude
what concerns do you share in skynx case on me?
because the only point he raises is that i leave "empty votes" and if you read the thread progression instead of just my filter, you would know in what context i voted for whom i voted which in itself denies the empty vote point
i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit
Thinks he actually voted for a reason, please read further up as why this is not true.
On November 06 2016 00:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I town-read DF, and don't think Skynx is mafia. I think the scum-team is Foreman and Rels.
Okay... I'm absent at this point, this happens bottom of the page with magh case on me. No reason, literally out of nowhere.
On November 06 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
For the same reason I town-read you.
Reasoning explained.
On November 06 2016 00:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:
There is no progression, Calix. I'm just trusting my gut over logic. The points I made and agreed with are very much valid, I just don't think he is mafia atm. Same with ExO and Palmar. The points made against them were very good, but in the end, I chose to trust my gut/emotional read over my logic.
Call it scummy all you want, you know it's how I play.
Ehm... is this not the exact reason your CFD against me on EoD?/
On November 06 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I pretty much exposed my reads on the last page, so I'll post the whole list now.
Calix / TT / Mahr
DF
Skynx
Foreman/Rels
Remember mahr was scummy on eod?
Remember trolling foreman?
Where did Rels come from?
What happened here?
On November 06 2016 00:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 00:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I pretty much exposed my reads on the last page, so I'll post the whole list now.
Calix / TT / Mahr
DF
Skynx
Foreman/Rels I'm actually not that sure about Rels anymore because he was quick to dish out TRs on me, Calix, mahr, Exo (at first), and TT. It doesn't look like a good scumplay to do so. If I'm honest, I re-waffled to thinking that Skynx is mafia atm.
oops abort mission!
On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
*yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon?
I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
Rels get back in there!
On November 06 2016 02:59 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 02:58 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 02:56 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 02:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:
*yawn* Calix saying I'm playing poorly when 2/3 of her cases were on her town-reads zzz
Why do you propose Skynx and Rels who you don't think are a team and keep Foreman as a reserve wagon?
I'd lynch Foreman first thing tomorrow personally.
How retarded do you have to be to ask that? I want to pressure both to see who the mafia among them is...? You are asking the dumbest questions. lmao "pressure rels, he has not had much pressure" Foreman was not pressured either, yet you don't propose wagoning him while he's done jackshit. I hope you are night killed, honestly. The blatant stupidity continues. If I think one of them is mafia then I'm going to want to pressure both. Simple as that. I literally said "lynch Foreman if Skynx/ Rels are town" Your reading is so poor.
On November 06 2016 03:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Still miss the point, nice.
Die please.
More trolling.
On November 06 2016 03:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 03:31 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 03:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 03:05 cakepie wrote:
NeverUnlucky is officially warned for posting at XX:00 and will receive a warning PM.
You may now proceed. Pretty sure that was XX:06 ... ... ... Nevermind, the first post has a timestamp of XX:00. Warning accepted. Can you not put this many links in the vote count? It took me 10 minutes to delete them all, zzz. ExO_ (6) : NeverUnlucky,]Tictock, NeverUnlucky, NeverUnlucky,mahrgell, Foreman, Calix,Rels,darthfoley Tictock (1) : Skynx, darthfoley, ExO_Skynx (1) : Foreman, NeverUnluckyNeverUnlucky (1) : Calix, Skynx, Skynx Calix (0) : ExO_, Foreman, NeverUnlucky, NeverUnluckydarthfoley (0) : Foreman (0) : mahrgellmahrgell (0) : ForemanCalix,NeverUnlucky, darthfoleyRels (0) : Calix Thanks, that is surprisingly considerate of you. This isn't a VCA. I can't do those. I'm just giving my thoughts. Given that I believe TT is town, it is all but confirmed that there is a scum at the end of the ExO wagon. Given that Rels/ darthfoley made unnecessarily long posts condemning ExO before voting, I'm going to look into those again. Foreman's vote is quite bad. He just said "oh I'll be more productive" and voted ExO during their argument. Very difficult to hold him accountable for that vote when he didn't really give any reasoning for it. This is really bad the more I think about it. He wasn't involved in the TT vs ExO debate and when I asked him for his opinion HE SAID THAT HE WAS LIKING EXO FOR TOWN. His only post involving ExO between that and his vote is him going "I disagree with your reads" (which cannot be interpreted as a scum read) I can only conclude that he voted for someone that he town-read. And he never saw it fit to explain why he did that. Also, note that mahrgell casted two votes. One on ExO. One on Foreman. ##Vote Foreman.I also still messed up the colors in the second vc post, but whatever.
This is wrong whichever way you wanna look at it.
From an analysis point of view, mahr was wrong on Exo so doesn't statistically make sense to vote for his other target.
From a logical point of view, mahr couldn't make clearer i was his primary scum target, so you wanna sheep him, why not vote me?
On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
Back to me after darth case, which is mostly a poor man's mahrgell case.
On November 06 2016 09:13 NeverUnlucky wrote:Grouping the evidence on Skynx being mafia for future reference (for myself) + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2016 05:57 darthfoley wrote:My current mafiametric/reads after seeing mahrgell flip town is something like this. TOWN Calix, NU Ticktock Rels/Foreman Skynx MAFIA I liked points 3 and 4 of mahrgell's post re Skynx a lot: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote:Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. ... 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green. In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town. Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:34 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:
God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? His tone feels right. What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up. What are you doing atm? lmao Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding.
##Unvote
##Vote: NeverUnlucky Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:43 Skynx wrote:
I'm never ever moving away from NU unless kush comes down from the clouds with all his almighty convincing powers and tell me he is town or someone here can defend him to an equal measure. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote:
Disclaimer: Ignoring NU from now on cuz its just not productive. So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum. On November 06 2016 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
...
I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:57 Skynx wrote:
Exo, whats your opinion on Foreman and Magh very quick? I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote. highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radarI think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has. Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field. He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter. Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:21 Foreman wrote:
God, you guys... Talk. A. Lot.
So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache.
Carry on. That's it. I know Foreman + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit On November 05 2016 02:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 05 2016 02:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote:
Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can.
CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here .... He exactly did that to Lunatic last game. You were scum with him. He wouldn't do it here on D1 Why not? His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon. On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. On November 05 2016 02:33 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote:
I can't actually believe whats going on. Calix you are getting played. ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play. On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote:Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. I see a very clear and continuous scum agenda in most of his posts: 1) casting doubt on everyone, never following upHe went after myself, Foremen and Calix multiple times, pointing out our scummish behaviour, never ever with any followup. Rels gets doubted too at some point. Even in the middle of his "I stand with Exo" he had to post this as if he made sure that nobody takes his "defense of Exo" too serious His issues with NU and TT are another story. Looks like only DF got away without getting shaded. 2) his case on TT: his reasoning looked weaker than what he posted 2 minutes earlier against Calix and me, yet he chose to go after TT. He even announced "you have to do more to avoid a lynch" yet never tried to convince anyone of this lynch. 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green.
sheep sheep sheep
Sorry if that was long, you can thank owner of the filter for that.
Key thing to look for here is the complete lack of town agenda:
1) Lynched Exo for wrong/non-existant reasons. Then distanced himself away from the lynch with wrong/non-existant reasons.
2) Votes/reads are without reason and/or sheeped if in need. No progression of own cases, reads at all. Not a single full blown out case from himself in the entire filter.
3) Continuous trolling, spamming whatever u like. Non-town behaviour, why do it as town as we know you can play with lower volume filter if u try. (fun fact: he was mafia on that game)
Above is the evidence, I tried to filter out all the NAI stuff as much as i can. Now your turn, please go find me one post from NU, where you can say "I like it, this is a very towny post". This is not a bad town play, this is flatout full blown scum agenda.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
