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I think I've caught up decently at this point. Sorry for the spam posts, but I had been busy all day until around an hour ago.
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Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will.
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On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote:
Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will.
I actually feel more convinced that Skynx is scum given the increasing body of evidence against him. It's hard to tell given that the three main suspects have yet to defend themselves.
I liked DF's recent posts enough to take him out of my shit-list.
While I'm here, can you expand more on your Rels read? If you have other priorities then don't bother but I feel like I am too focused on Rels > Skynx and you said that you town-read him so I'd love to hear what you think.
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On November 06 2016 03:41 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters. "not familiar with" If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you? Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT? You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes? Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing. If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that. That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou. So here's the quote chain where I call him out for not getting involved in TT vs ExO (so you can see his reasoning) Here you can see him say "I am liking ExO for town" So he goes on and says "I don't think TT would post " Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore" if he was scum" (I don't understand how this makes TT town tbh lol but whatever) Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. Here's the ONE post he had where he says that he disagrees with ExO. Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ And then he just leaves this salty-ass vote on ExO??? I will say that I completely missed the rest of the context though. Foreman goes on and says this: Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch. But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for. So make of that what you will.
This is a really good find, I missed him saying he like Exo as town.
His early attack on you also kinda suggested that he TR Exo early on.
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On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote:
Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will.
On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
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On November 06 2016 04:09 NeverUnlucky wrote:I've re-read EoD, and noticed a few things. While myself, DF, and Calix said that we were thinking/starting to think that ExO was town, only Rels and TT were still confident in ExO flipping scum. Tictock seemed to be tunneled. He did not bring new points to the table, just said that he was confident in the lynch. Rels, however, was bringing new arguments he did not share before EOD. It looked like he was making an impromptu case on ExO and that he was scavenging for reasons to still scum-read him to ignore the town tone ExO conveyed. Here are his posts: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy. In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS. The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:53 Rels wrote:On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him. - has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!) Foreman was conveniently afk.
Humm, I kinda disagree. Town is pretty likely to push their thoughts to get the lynch they think is best. Maybe I'm just buddied here kus I agree with the points he was making here (some of them were stuf I pointed out as well).
I felt like Rel's progression on Exo was pretty reasonable, but I should filter him at somepoint to make sure my memory isn't totally off. I recall him having a good reason to TR Exo based on his claim, then later decided that wasn't enough to excuse his play.
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On November 06 2016 08:23 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote:
Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will. I actually feel more convinced that Skynx is scum given the increasing body of evidence against him. It's hard to tell given that the three main suspects have yet to defend themselves. I liked DF's recent posts enough to take him out of my shit-list. While I'm here, can you expand more on your Rels read? If you have other priorities then don't bother but I feel like I am too focused on Rels > Skynx and you said that you town-read him so I'd love to hear what you think.
I actually don't like Darth's posts at all. It falls right in line with how I think scum would play if gell was killed to implicate Skynx.
Idk tbh I'm starting to feel like this game is pretty solved from my POV, I just need to make sure I can backup my TR of Rels a little better, but my PoE is down to Skynx/Darth/Foreman.
If skynx is scum his play has been just shit all game.
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On November 06 2016 08:33 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 08:21 Tictock wrote:
Humm not the NK I was expecting, probably a medic dodge or summin.
Is it weird that gell's death makes me less sure Skynx is scum?
Like in the case that Skynx is town then mafia killing someone pushing Skynx makes it look like he got killed for being on the right track. I've also been wondering if scum!Skynx would actually stick his neck out so far with the whole TRing Exo thing.
Idk, I'm deep in WIFOM territory on this one. Take it as you will. Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
Well you are on a similar level of tinfoil thinking to me atm.
I see your point, but in my experience mafia don't like to kill off people who are right because it adds to much creedence to their cases. Skynx's position was not great already, I really doubt he'd want to add to that by killing someone who cased him hard at night.
At least thats how my WIFOM thinking about this is going.
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Alright, so here's an idea that I just thought of.
I was rereading my case on Foreman and noticed my comment about "I think ExO/ TT is TvT and Foreman is just sitting on the sidelines"
Well I am back to thinking that it was a TvT, so it looks like I was spot-on with my comment about Foreman ignoring that shit-show.
Want to know what he WAS doing?
Arguing with Skynx.
I don't know if that's relevant or not in terms of either of them being scum or whatever so I decided to quote those Skynx/ Foreman posts for reference.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". On November 04 2016 05:34 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game. Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier. On November 04 2016 05:36 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". Stand by the facts. I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit. Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point. Bullshit. You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:03 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit? No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum.
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I need to get some dinner, been at this since I got home from work.
I'm gunna make filtering Rels and Foreman my next priorities. Apparently I've lost interest in relooking at EoD, but maybe I'll force myself to do that.
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Grouping the evidence on Skynx being mafia for future reference (for myself)
+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2016 05:57 darthfoley wrote:My current mafiametric/reads after seeing mahrgell flip town is something like this. TOWN Calix, NU Ticktock Rels/Foreman Skynx MAFIA I liked points 3 and 4 of mahrgell's post re Skynx a lot: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote:Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. ... 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green. In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town. Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:34 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:
God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? His tone feels right. What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up. What are you doing atm? lmao Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding.
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##Vote: NeverUnlucky Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:43 Skynx wrote:
I'm never ever moving away from NU unless kush comes down from the clouds with all his almighty convincing powers and tell me he is town or someone here can defend him to an equal measure. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote:
Disclaimer: Ignoring NU from now on cuz its just not productive. So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum. On November 06 2016 06:13 darthfoley wrote:Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman: Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
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I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:57 Skynx wrote:
Exo, whats your opinion on Foreman and Magh very quick? I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote. highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radarI think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has. Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field. He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter. Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman. Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 08:21 Foreman wrote:
God, you guys... Talk. A. Lot.
So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache.
Carry on. That's it. I know Foreman + Show Spoiler +On November 06 2016 06:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia. On November 05 2016 22:44 NeverUnlucky wrote:
i think skynx is very likely scum for the reasons you noted (which actually are the points i made on skynx at eod) plus for the fact that he should know that i am 100% not getting lynched, so making a case on me is making him look productive when he s actually not doing shit On November 05 2016 02:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote:On November 05 2016 02:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote:
Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can.
CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here .... He exactly did that to Lunatic last game. You were scum with him. He wouldn't do it here on D1 Why not? His play this game and his play last game are very similar. He whines and whines and whines, and has a town-read on the main wagon. On November 05 2016 02:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Skynx's play this game reminds me of this quote from disformation on how to play as mafia: "just posts tons of words. dump a wot in thread now and then, nobody will read them and think you are town for the effort. " On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. On November 05 2016 02:33 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote:
I can't actually believe whats going on. Calix you are getting played. ATE. One of the pillars of your scum play. On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote:Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. I see a very clear and continuous scum agenda in most of his posts: 1) casting doubt on everyone, never following upHe went after myself, Foremen and Calix multiple times, pointing out our scummish behaviour, never ever with any followup. Rels gets doubted too at some point. Even in the middle of his "I stand with Exo" he had to post this as if he made sure that nobody takes his "defense of Exo" too serious His issues with NU and TT are another story. Looks like only DF got away without getting shaded. 2) his case on TT: his reasoning looked weaker than what he posted 2 minutes earlier against Calix and me, yet he chose to go after TT. He even announced "you have to do more to avoid a lynch" yet never tried to convince anyone of this lynch. 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green.
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However Foreman's behaviour around Skynx/ Rels is really weird.
He doesn't mention Rels at ALL.
Seriously.
He has five fucking pages of filter and it's like Rels doesn't exist to him.
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On November 06 2016 09:10 Calix wrote:Alright, so here's an idea that I just thought of. I was rereading my case on Foreman and noticed my comment about "I think ExO/ TT is TvT and Foreman is just sitting on the sidelines" Well I am back to thinking that it was a TvT, so it looks like I was spot-on with my comment about Foreman ignoring that shit-show. Want to know what he WAS doing? Arguing with Skynx. I don't know if that's relevant or not in terms of either of them being scum or whatever so I decided to quote those Skynx/ Foreman posts for reference. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". On November 04 2016 05:34 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game. Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier. On November 04 2016 05:36 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". Stand by the facts. I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit. Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point. Bullshit. You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:03 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit? No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum.
This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually.
I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum.
Ok now I'm going to go eat.
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Calix wrote:
However Foreman's behaviour around Skynx/ Rels is really weird.
He doesn't mention Rels at ALL.
Seriously.
He has five fucking pages of filter and it's like Rels doesn't exist to him.
This is actually pretty important because he called out darthfoley for having Foreman as 'most town' but he doesn't even acknowledge Rels strongly town-reading him because of tone.
It's not a massive contradiction or anything but you'd think that he would have said something.
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 09:10 Calix wrote:Alright, so here's an idea that I just thought of. I was rereading my case on Foreman and noticed my comment about "I think ExO/ TT is TvT and Foreman is just sitting on the sidelines" Well I am back to thinking that it was a TvT, so it looks like I was spot-on with my comment about Foreman ignoring that shit-show. Want to know what he WAS doing? Arguing with Skynx. I don't know if that's relevant or not in terms of either of them being scum or whatever so I decided to quote those Skynx/ Foreman posts for reference. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". On November 04 2016 05:34 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game. Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier. On November 04 2016 05:36 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". Stand by the facts. I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit. Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point. Bullshit. You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:03 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit? No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum. This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually. I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum. Ok now I'm going to go eat.
So you think the scum team would be Foreman / DF or Skynx / DF from your PoE pool. You think DF is bussing Skynx with his latest posts?If not, either your PoE pool is missing Skynx's partner or Skynx is not mafia (from your POV).
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On November 06 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 09:15 Tictock wrote:On November 06 2016 09:10 Calix wrote:Alright, so here's an idea that I just thought of. I was rereading my case on Foreman and noticed my comment about "I think ExO/ TT is TvT and Foreman is just sitting on the sidelines" Well I am back to thinking that it was a TvT, so it looks like I was spot-on with my comment about Foreman ignoring that shit-show. Want to know what he WAS doing? Arguing with Skynx. I don't know if that's relevant or not in terms of either of them being scum or whatever so I decided to quote those Skynx/ Foreman posts for reference. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". On November 04 2016 05:34 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game. Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier. On November 04 2016 05:36 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". Stand by the facts. I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit. Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point. Bullshit. You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny. On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. On November 04 2016 06:07 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 06:03 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 06:02 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit. What is this supposed to accomplish? He's not allowed to start posting things b/c he at one point in the game considered himself low hanging fruit? No. I'm saying he was obviously lying when he called himself low-hanging fruit, and that he made that remark instead of simply explaining why he was busy or what have you makes him scum. This makes me think a Foreman/Skynx team is much less likely actually. I guess there is a bit more motivation for scum to buss and make distancing plays in this setup, but these look too genuine to me to think it's Scum on Scum. Ok now I'm going to go eat. So you think the scum team would be Foreman / DF or Skynx / DF from your PoE pool. You think DF is bussing Skynx with his latest posts?If not, either your PoE pool is missing Skynx's partner or Skynx is not mafia (from your POV).
Foreman/Darth is my current thinking yea.
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If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead.
##vote Foreman
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On November 06 2016 09:15 Calix wrote:
However Foreman's behaviour around Skynx/ Rels is really weird.
He doesn't mention Rels at ALL.
Seriously.
He has five fucking pages of filter and it's like Rels doesn't exist to him.
To be fair he was "active" during the first 24h and Rels wasn't there at the time.
Rels mentions Foreman quite a bit in his 4 page filter.
+ Show Spoiler +Explaining his read: + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 05:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 23:41 mahrgell wrote:
About Rels. I agree with basically none of his reads, pretty apparent with his 3 top town being my top scum. But there is one thing you can't blame him for: Trying to blend in. I would love to see him explaining his controversial reads.
Mainly I'm interested in:
- why does he town NU
- why does he town Foreman - I can see people not agreeing my concerns regarding foreman, but seriously, what has he done to make him a townread???)
- what makes foley scummy? - "hates post" okay... Tell me more.
Share your thought process. I haven't seen any reasoning on those reads and admit they don't make sense to me. [...] Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie. [...] On November 04 2016 20:54 Rels wrote:Skynx has a real shot at being scum too. A lot of his posts just look like fake to me, faking a "not-caring" tone. To compare with Foreman, it looks like Skynx is trying to appear not caring, while Foreman just doesn't care and wite stuff that he thinks. And I know weaker scums tend to do that after losing scumgames 'cause it's easier to play. And I know Skynx is not a very good scum player. These posts make me think that: + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 04:12 Skynx wrote:
Man you guys are way too fun to read On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages  On November 03 2016 05:10 Skynx wrote:
I mean I really dunno what to add here, its just NAI guys.
Can we talk about like flowers and butterflies? On November 03 2016 05:15 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 05:11 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 05:05 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 05:00 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:58 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:56 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:54 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote:
None of what happened so far is AI guys please... Then do something that will make AI posts happen. What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly? What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet? To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course. What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it? Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all. Here is what happened; Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others) What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end. Here is what happened: Skynx entered thread Skynx complained about unproductive content Skynx provided unproductive content What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks. Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to. I'm just here to drink milk and fuck bitches. On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. Actually, his only real content were in his 2 huge wall posts. I disagree with pretty much everything he's said in it. A lot of it is just logical mistakes that are not scum tells. On November 04 2016 23:44 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 22:22 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Your Foreman read is something I disagree on.
I don't find his tone to be 'good' or 'town'. His sentences are always cut which makes his tone look rude / raw. It's a measly argument because it could just be his natural way of typing and be NAI, but I still very much disagree that he has a 'good' tone. He reminds me of scum!Titus for reference.
Not giving a fuck is not AI. Look at Palmar in HM3, Vivax in Dota 2.
I don't like how he tends to exaggerate most things he touches. For instance, he called out ExO for bullying for something that clearly was not bullying, and early in the day he called you out for a discredit which objectively was not a discredit.
Yes, his content is questionable. I don't remember him pushing anybody other than you, and that even that push was questionable. I don't agree that it is not AI. Faking not giving a shit while actually giving a shit is actually pretty hard. Palmar is one of the best scum in this forum, Vivax is usually a pretty easy find as scum. And what he's doing is not giving a shit about people opinion on him. He's engaging people and looking like he wants to solve the game. Exo line of question on why he wanted to f-d me and fm (5 posts which are not worth quoting because rels doesn't give his opinion in them) This On November 04 2016 06:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 02:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:blablabla I find it weird that he had FM as lock-scum just 4 hours into the game. On November 03 2016 06:51 Tictock wrote:On November 03 2016 06:38 Foreman wrote:On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum. What prompted this? Filter me. That's why I want reads and original content from them. Yea I did that before posting, I'm a bit confused why you went from being uber-tunneled on Calix to suddenly considering her as town. I'll be honest, I was thinking you were lock scum up till this post but it gave me pause because I consider thinking about people from both alignments is a good town trait. However your posts seem more like you are just shifting focus away from Calix to another target but your read really hasn't changed. Right now I'd stick with my initial read that you are scum and attribute this shift to being told in your QT that you are tunneling too much. Good find, it is pretty weird. TT why was Foreman lock scum before that post ?
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On November 06 2016 09:29 Calix wrote:
If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead.
##vote Foreman
Just to make sure we're on the same page: I'm not really in agreement that Foreman is scum as I am not 100% convinced yet. He's like my Damdred read from last game: I found him scummy when he was there, and because he ditched us, he looks scummier and stays in the PoE pool. I would not call him obvious scum like Jat basically.
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On November 06 2016 09:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 09:29 Calix wrote:
If we're all in agreement that Foreman is scum then I'm voting for him. Not going to get fancy here. I just want scum dead.
##vote Foreman Just to make sure we're on the same page: I'm not really in agreement that Foreman is scum as I am not 100% convinced yet. He's like my Damdred read from last game: I found him scummy when he was there, and because he ditched us, he looks scummier and stays in the PoE pool. I would not call him obvious scum like Jat basically.
I'm not 100% convinced either. I am just voting the one dude that all three of us suspect given that we are split on Skynx/ Rels/ DF.
Seems like optimal strategy to me.
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