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On November 04 2016 08:01 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 07:45 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 07:38 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:23 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 06:12 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 06:09 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 06:01 Calix wrote:
But how hard is it to just say something like "oh I was joking" or "I wanted to play the game properly" or something? Maybe I'm just assuming that ExO is as amazingly intelligent as I am, but that doesn't seem like a stretch for scum.
His later behaviour is more concerning to me. I don't really like it and the point which I found the most interesting from him is something that you claim was a joke. (I think) Thats actually kinda my point, town!Exo could have said the same things, or started posting gifs to joke around. What did we see? Him getting butthurt that you called him out for not posting Gifs and attacking you for it. I feel like this is going around in circles. It's clear that you think that's a scummy reaction from ExO and I disagree. I think we should move on since this thread is blowing up. Thoughts on Foreman? I'm still thinking this could be TvT and thus I find him sitting in the background to be conspicuous. I go a few hours without posting because I have shit to do and I'm sitting in the background? Lulz. Well in my opinion, you weren't posting a lot. Fine by itself. But you were just talking about stuff which wasn't related to the main discussion at hand until recently. That stood out to me especially because I think it's two townies fighting. Thus someone ignoring it looks weird and like they don't want to take a side in it since either of them being lynched helps scum. So yes, my logic is pretty good, I'd say. I'd say you're logic is pretty trash because there are dynamics between those two that I'm not familiar with so me jumping in the middle would only muddy the waters. "not familiar with" If they were discussing a meta reference then I would believe this. However they weren't. Everything that was discussed with ExO/ TT was sourced from the game thread. Why would the dynamics be unfamiliar to you? Regardless of your response, what DID you make of ExO/ TT? You do realize that meta isn't the only thing that carries over between games, yes? Personality conflicts and how they resolve (or not) can also be alignment indicative if people are familiar with those clashing. If I were to get in the middle of TT/ExO, it could have interfered with the ability to read them. I prefer to wait until things resolve and then chime in to avoid that. That said, I am likiing ExO for town. I don't understand why TT has votes, it's something I'll need to read up on later tonight. 17% battery is telling me nou.
So here's the quote chain where I call him out for not getting involved in TT vs ExO (so you can see his reasoning)
Here you can see him say "I am liking ExO for town"
So he goes on and says "I don't think TT would post "Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore" if he was scum" (I don't understand how this makes TT town tbh lol but whatever)
On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum.
Here's the ONE post he had where he says that he disagrees with ExO.
On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_
And then he just leaves this salty-ass vote on ExO???
I will say that I completely missed the rest of the context though. Foreman goes on and says this:
On November 04 2016 08:58 Foreman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 08:55 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:53 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:51 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 08:48 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 08:42 ExO_ wrote:
NU is actively borrowing his reads for rels in an attempt to push me, with Marhgwell being 3rd on a wagon.
Marhgwell is scum, and probably NU I disagree with both of your scumreads. Mahrgell's flip on me looked like an honest reassessment. If he was scum, he could have accused me of AtE and used my reach out as grounds to double down on me. NU... I don't get why you think he's scum. What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me. foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish? N O T H I N G My bad, let me be more productive, then. ##Vote: ExO_ for what reason? Why do you think I'm scum? You're flat out lying about me and attempting to intimidate me, for one thing. For another, your scumreads are trash and consist of two people pushing you. Because y'know, the entire scum team is going to throw everything they have into a d1 mislynch.
But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for.
So make of that what you will.
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Fuck, didn't add my elaborated reasoning.
What I meant to say was this:
"But this is actually even worse because his first comment is total bullshit and he doubles down on this awful reasoning which ExO correctly calls him out for. It gives me the impression that he voted for the band-wagon first without thinking about it and made up reasoning for it later. In no world does one deduce that ExO was 'flat-out lying and attempting to intimidate him' from what ExO said."
This is what ExO said beforehand, just for reference. Where are the lies? How does one find this intimidating...?
What do you think of Mahgrell voting me without giving his reasoning just now? What about NU literally taking the words out of rels mouth as a reason to push me, even though rels didn't see it as a reason to scum read me.
foreman read the damn thread. And do something to help town. What did this post accomplish here? What did you disagreeing with me (in a bad way) accomplish?
N O T H I N G
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I've re-read EoD, and noticed a few things.
While myself, DF, and Calix said that we were thinking/starting to think that ExO was town, only Rels and TT were still confident in ExO flipping scum.
Tictock seemed to be tunneled. He did not bring new points to the table, just said that he was confident in the lynch.
Rels, however, was bringing new arguments he did not share before EOD. It looked like he was making an impromptu case on ExO and that he was scavenging for reasons to still scum-read him to ignore the town tone ExO conveyed. Here are his posts:
On November 05 2016 01:49 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote:
I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this:
I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things.
I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town.
The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today:
Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1.
Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure.
Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. This is so bad. This martiring won't get you through this lynch. You're saying you can't defend yourself 'cause you're attacked whatever thing you chose to do; well, you could defend yourself by pointing out WHY other people are scummy. In this very post you admit that your OMGUS was bad; that after re evaluating you think one of DF / Skynx / Rels are probably scum; THEN you go on "lynch TT and Rels 'cause they should know better than pushing me" which is the FUCKING DEFINITION OF OMGUS. The last time you've stated reasons for your reads was your NU read yesterday. Since then it has been either OMGUS or filter size.
On November 05 2016 01:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:21 Skynx wrote:
I mean Exo did some bad stuff guys, as i quoted previous page.
However, can someone please give me some solid arguments that makes him objective scum like TT and NU?
Other than him being defensive all the time which is not even a reason anymore and makes sense as everyone is scumreading him. - has claimed that his aggression towards Calix at the beginning of the game was fake and just here to provoke reaction, which is something scum always say to explain themselves out of a bad push - has forgotten that he wanted to attack NU and foreman during his sleep and went to attack TT with no reasonning - has forgotten he liked Skynx and listed him as potential scum - has only posted to defend himself yesterday, when Calix intervened to give him some breathing room, he just disappeared instead of doing stuff - martyring, admitting the OMGUS was bad, then OMGUSING some more in the next paragraph (TT and Rels should know better!)
Foreman was conveniently afk.
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I actually think your case would be stronger if you included the relevant posts. I am curious as to how you think your argument develops when you take these into account:
On November 05 2016 02:11 Rels wrote:
Now I know that it is super annoying to play as town when everybody is scumreading you. I know you're having a bad town if you're town. But I think you're scum.
On November 05 2016 02:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. I agree that Skynx townread of ExO is weird as hell. But I don't agree that we can say anything about ExO from Skynx' townread. If Skynx is scum he knows fully well how his attitude looks like, so it's WIFOM to conclude anything from it. Like, it's not like Skynx would become confirmed town if ExO flipped town.
On November 05 2016 02:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:53 ExO_ wrote:On November 05 2016 02:50 Calix wrote:On November 05 2016 02:47 ExO_ wrote:
Calix/Skynx any questions you have please ask me, before I flip as town please ask now. I will try my best to answer quickly. I'm 100% sure you two are town and the people like NU trying to discredit Skynx are almost certainly going to be scum Yeah, can you please summarise/ conclude your reads in one post? I think that would help people see what your reads were. You can even just cobble your previous posts into one since you have 10 minutes left. This is something I'm not very good at. a lot of my reads I base on what I think, and researching specific examples is hard. I think out of TT/Rels/NU there is at least 1 scum. Maybe 2. TT or rels should have known better than to let this lynch go down like it did, and instead both pushed it hard. I would look at them heavily. NU's game has just been really bad all around, hard to say if its because he's bad or because he's scum though. I didn't like the way mahgrell played, and the way he's afk now but I think he's something to look at after the top 3. DF is townier than mahgrell. Foreman is angry town I'm tired of seeing this. I only started pushing you as my main scumread a few hours ago. You even scumread me for not having a strong scumread on you yesterday. That makes another thing that is not consistent with your reads actually. I'm having doubts but I think you'll flip scum. I don't think i'll shennannie.
I'm being vague because I'm not sure if I'm just seeing things.
(aside from his second post where he tries to throw shade on any town-reads that Skynx could have gotten from white-knighting. Like just look at that post. Look at what Rels is trying to achieve with that post. Doesn't look good, does it?)
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Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left.
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No, these posts don't really support my argument of him digging for reasons to still scum-read ExO after Exy appeared towny. They're still interesting to look at.
I have very mixed feelings on the first quote. I think it's townie because he tries to empathize with someone he is getting lynched. Scum tend to be more reasonable and hide their emotions to keep their credibility, so I don't think they'd make that post. However, I also think it's scummy because of the wording of the "But I think you're scum." I don't know if y'all have the same feeling as I have, but I don't think he even believes himself there. The wording is too strange.
Weak argument on that post: + Show Spoiler +He says "I know you're having a bad town if you're town." The fact that he wrote town twice makes me think that he knows that ExO is town. But that's put-in-spoiler-weak.
Dunno what to make of the second and third quote, but I understand your reasoning. I don't like how he uses WIFOM as an argument though. That's too easy.
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Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM?
On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left.
I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/
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On November 06 2016 04:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:No, these posts don't really support my argument of him digging for reasons to still scum-read ExO after Exy appeared towny. They're still interesting to look at. I have very mixed feelings on the first quote. I think it's townie because he tries to empathize with someone he is getting lynched. Scum tend to be more reasonable and hide their emotions to keep their credibility, so I don't think they'd make that post. However, I also think it's scummy because of the wording of the "But I think you're scum." I don't know if y'all have the same feeling as I have, but I don't think he even believes himself there. The wording is too strange. Weak argument on that post: + Show Spoiler +He says "I know you're having a bad town if you're town." The fact that he wrote town twice makes me think that he knows that ExO is town. But that's put-in-spoiler-weak. Dunno what to make of the second and third quote, but I understand your reasoning. I don't like how he uses WIFOM as an argument though. That's too easy.
Oh yeah, Rels definitely has the most interesting EOD presence of all the players in the game. Not even a question.
I didn't like the "but I think you're scum" because it reads like he wants his cake and eat it too with how he treats ExO. And it's unnecessary to add because we can already infer that he thinks he's scum from what he's posted.
I can bring up more of the Skynx quotes if you'd like.
WIFOM is lame. Post speculation is way more fun.
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On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/
You're no mind-reader.
Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
I found the quotes. Not as many of them as I remembered there being though. I still don't see what purpose these posts have other than to say "Skynx doesn't get town points for defending ExO"
On November 05 2016 02:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:15 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
I pushed mahg earlier, his respons I liked. His lists later on I liked. He's not overly spammy. He's the most town imo.
Exo's retaliation is a towntell from my perspective as he's been sr'd by almost everyone in the game, some of which for very bad reasons or no reasons at all. Its his right to retaliate. However not much arguments otherise, he's just been defending all game, I've been in this situation and can sympathise.
This to me looks like white-knighting. He gives a reason that I don't think warrants a town-read. I'm inclined to think that ExO is town and Skynx is scum with both their latest posts in mind. I agree that Skynx townread of ExO is weird as hell. But I don't agree that we can say anything about ExO from Skynx' townread. If Skynx is scum he knows fully well how his attitude looks like, so it's WIFOM to conclude anything from it. Like, it's not like Skynx would become confirmed town if ExO flipped town.
Here he says "we cannot infer anything about ExO's alignment from Skynx defending him" and "Skynx would not become confirmed town if ExO is town because of WIFOM"
On November 05 2016 02:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:45 ExO_ wrote:
Okay I'm back home I'm going to try to type things out as fast as I can.
CALIX listen to me. Skynx is town. There is no way he comes in and town reads me at EoD as scum. It's too risky. You two need to lead the town here That is pretty false. Scum do this kind of thing all the time. It doesn't mean anything
Here he says "scum do this kind of thing [town-reading townies at EOD] all the time"
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On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader.
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Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader.
If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"?
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On November 06 2016 04:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader. ???? Show nested quote +Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"?
He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO.
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On November 06 2016 04:55 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader. ???? Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"? He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO.
Then that's a pretty good point.
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On November 06 2016 04:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 04:55 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 06 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:On November 06 2016 04:36 NeverUnlucky wrote:Actually I don't quite understand your reasoning for the second quote. If Rels is mafia, wouldn't he want to antagonize Skynx by saying that he is white-knighting instead of saying that it is WIFOM? On November 06 2016 04:17 Calix wrote:
Also I like this version of NU. I'll stop insulting you since I don't have that many town-reads left. I made some much better posts day 1. Kind of sucks that you're only recognizing my play now that I make 2 contributive posts. :/ You're no mind-reader. ???? Well my point is that Rels is trying to nip the "Skynx could be town for blatantly defending ExO" argument in the bud, thus making him look worse, so not sure I follow.
You're no mind-reader. If you look at the nested quote, I suggest that Skynx is scum white-knighting ExO. Rels responds that we cannot conclude anything from Skynx's read on ExO. If he was scum, wouldn't he say: "OH YEAH! THIS IS WHITE-KNIGHTING, SKYNX IS SCUM!"? He says that we can't conclude anything ABOUT EXO from Skynx's read. I read that as Rels trying to keep the wagon on ExO. Then that's a pretty good point.
Why thank you.
Unless you have anything else to add, I think we should stop posting for now and let the others chip in. Only so much that we can get done by ourselves. While I think our conversation was pretty productive, I don't want to spam out the lurkers.
(also I need to go out soon, lol)
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i'm really sorry, catching up now with the thread. Has been a long day for me.
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My current mafiametric/reads after seeing mahrgell flip town is something like this.
TOWN
Calix, NU
Ticktock
Rels/Foreman
Skynx
MAFIA
I liked points 3 and 4 of mahrgell's post re Skynx a lot:
On November 05 2016 23:20 mahrgell wrote:Okay, lets make a tldr of my own post regarding Skynx and why I scumread him: Links/quotes are in the long version above so I summarise here. I only linked those posts not used there. ... 3) His entire alignment towards me is unfounded: he suspects me, accepts my response, suddenly im Toptown, because "he likes my lists". At this time my main contribution was my case on Exo_ Yet he also townreads Exo, says there are no compelling arguments against him. A few minute later he asks for evidence against Exo_, and points out that 3 players, including me, have no reason at all to vote Exo. He may have missed my case, but then what made him toptown me? How can I be toptown because of my good posts, when those posts are directly attacking his other toptown. How can I be toptown when he calls me out for voting without reason? As the EoD happened, he again called Exo for his opinion on Foreman and me. What am I? toptown? scum? This falls back to 1) 4) His stance in the Exo lynch. He was most concerned about pointing out that he was 100% sure that Exo was town. He stated multiple times that he believes that the mislynch of Exo will show us a lot. Yet I fail to see any serious attempt to convince people to jump off the train. He somehow shaped up NU as alternative, but promised "to make a case against him during the night phase". He never tried to really convince anyone to join the NU train. Or does this count as effort? This again looks like what I pointed out in 1) He weakly defended Exo_ on emotional reasons, yet was 100% he was town. He later admitted that there was some reason in the cases against Exo_, his defense consisted only out of this. No reaching out to change it He was more concerned about being right than about saving someone he believed 100% to flip green.
In retrospect, Skynx's lame EoD push on NU was... lame. Didn't feel like he put in the effort necessary to try to get the lynch off of someone who he believed to be super town.
Also, his subsequent posts about NU seem off to me.
On November 05 2016 02:41 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 02:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:39 Skynx wrote:On November 05 2016 02:38 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:37 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:35 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:34 Tictock wrote:On November 05 2016 02:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 05 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:
God I hope I can make it back home before EoD. In short do NOT let the people hard pushing me saying it reveals nothing about alignment if I flip town, get away with it.
They're covering their asses now because they know im about to flip town. I genuinely think this is a very town response... ... which reinforces my Skynx scum-read. CFD Skynx imo. I disagree. Exo is still the best lynch. Every single one of his posts has just been him trying to survive the day, this one included. That's not scum AI. I would not want to be lynched either if I had this many votes. So then it's NAI. Why would you townread him then? His tone feels right. What a hero distancing himself from the lynch. Guys please wake the fuck up. What are you doing atm? lmao Yeah I almost forgot, thank you for reminding.
##Unvote
##Vote: NeverUnlucky
On November 05 2016 02:43 Skynx wrote:
I'm never ever moving away from NU unless kush comes down from the clouds with all his almighty convincing powers and tell me he is town or someone here can defend him to an equal measure.
On November 05 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I'm only hoping that this is not one of those games where you are just bad town and forced me to tunnel on you again and mafia is just having a freewin cuz now you are objectively the scummiest person here.
We woulda lost Haunted Haus if townroles wasn't op cuz of this.
On November 05 2016 02:55 Skynx wrote:
Disclaimer: Ignoring NU from now on cuz its just not productive.
So Skynx "attempts" to move the lynch off of ExO, except not really. He makes some more posts I haven't quoted about NU White-Knighting etc. which indicates that he has a pretty strong scum read on NU. Claims he's never moving off of NU, only to give himself a way out two posts later (you may just be playing a bad town game!) Then makes a big deal about "ignoring" NU because it "isn't productive." Wouldn't you ignore NU because you're kinda-sorta really convinced he's mafia? The description of NU being "unproductive" is not the adjective I would use to describe my scum read. I would be blunt and say i'm ignoring him because he's scum.
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Also something else I caught going through Skynx's filter re Foreman:
On November 05 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Summary
Very town: mahg
Townlean: Exo, Calix
Not read at all: darth
Bad but not thoroughly read:Foreman
Nullish cuz neither town nor scum but bad: Rels
Scum: TT, NU
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I don't like Foreman's over-aggressive tone. He didn't get much going against him but why so aggressive then? He most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar.
On November 05 2016 01:49 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2016 01:43 Calix wrote:
No. It's not my job to look for cases for you. That's on you. Town should be reaching out to the town, not vice versa.
With your reads, how is 'retaliation' a town tell?
I don't relate to your DF read.
How is an over-aggressive tone scum-indicative? What examples do you have? ok. Retaliation is a town tell because he's getting attacked non-stop for bad reasons. Check vivax and me from Dota mafia, which I know you have been following which is completely the opposite. I dunno who you're accounting to with the over-aggressive tone, Foreman? I'm not scum reading him, I got no material i specified I didn't read him much.
On November 05 2016 02:57 Skynx wrote:
Exo, whats your opinion on Foreman and Magh very quick?
I've highlighted all the relevant posts he's made about Foreman leading up to the vote.
highlighted: (Foreman) most definitely needs a re-read, I think he's been flying under the radar
I think it's really weird how he talks about Foreman in such a passive way, while also seeming to think he's the most dangerous player to forget about. He calls Foreman bad (at the game? bad = mafia?) and says he really wants to reread him. Never has.
Then he randomly asks ExO about mahrgell and Foreman as he's walking to the gallows? Why these two? Why then? It makes little sense and comes out of left field.
He claims to "not like his tone" and implies a potential mafia lean, then explicitly says he isn't reading Foreman as mafia even though Foreman hasn't changed his tone etc. Calls him a dark horse who we need to be wary of, then doesn't do what he says he would and reread his filter.
Please look at Foreman's filter re Skynx. There's barely anything. I know it may be early to play association but the lack of comms between them since Foreman attacked Skynx's opening (which isn't that much pressure) is troubling, especially coupled with Skynx's weird progression of Foreman.
On November 05 2016 08:21 Foreman wrote:
God, you guys... Talk. A. Lot.
So, Skynx got weird at end of day. NU is looking town as fuck. mahrgell is being mahrgell. TT is apparently looking at the possibility of me being scum (why, exactly?), and the rest of you are giving me a headache.
Carry on.
That's it.
I know Foreman
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Sorry my post crashed before I could finish
EBWOP: I know Foreman has been skimp in general, but I find his discussion of Skynx to be particularly constrained
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I'll have a closer look at Calix/mahrgell's Rels casing, but I remember liking them.
Skynx is my primary scum read followed by Foreman/Rels. I have a town vibe on Ticktock but i'm not particularly sure why. I think Calix is on the right track regarding the EoD vote. I think it's pretty likely that either Rels or Foreman are mafia
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You make some very good points.
You quoted one of Skynx's posts in which he states that he has mahr as top-town. It was already a very bad read re: mahr's Skynx case point #3, but it points to Skynx being mafia because mafia want to NK the towniest people in the thread.
I'm back to having a very strong feeling that Skynx is mafia.
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On November 06 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 01:01 Tictock wrote:Humm reading Darth's filter I kinda like him less. On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
This early read on Foreman is really odd, just kinda rambly and the two bolded lines both contradict each other and add nothing. I also noticed that Darth made posts all day long about Exo being scum. On November 03 2016 09:04 darthfoley wrote:
I also find it weird that
1. ExO came in
2. Got scum read and pressured
3. Weak case on Calix
4. Other people came in, namely NU, and changed the conversation
5. ExO peaced out and the current 1v1s are NU vs. Calix, Foreman vs. mahrgell
6. People seemingly forget about ExO On November 03 2016 12:30 darthfoley wrote:
ExO's filter is also relatively assheeks. I need Rels in the building On November 04 2016 03:01 darthfoley wrote:
If ExO continues to be this underwhelming and inactivate I think I'd be okay with an exO lynch But only joins the wagon after making a big post about why he doesn't think I'm scum anymore and that Exo is the better lynch. Kinda feels like he just kept this scumread on Exo in his back pocket, bringing it out when useful but not committing to it till it became clear that Exo was going to be lynched. Unfortunately I didn't find anything that really makes me think he is either town or scum. Just this stuff that stands out as kinda weird to me. Moving Darth to a solid null read. 1. I don't see a contradiction in those two lines that you quoted. Isn't he saying "I don't see any posts that would make me think anyone is lock scum. Therefore Foreman thinking that Calix is lock scum, especially on D1, is a bit scummy to me." That's how I read them anyway. 2. A better point. I'll await darthfoley's explanation here.
Point #1 isn't a contradiction. The wording was a little awkward but all I meant was what Calix interpreted. From my POV
2. I joined the wagon for a couple reasons. My mahrgell wagon wasn't going anywhere so I had to reassess why secondary/tertiary scum reads. As I mentioned, I liked lots of your defense and other people's points re you so I wasn't comfortable lynching you. I made my post so there wouldn't be misconceptions as to why I was joining. Public record is good. I don't really get the back pocket thing; there was never any viable secondary lynch train for almost all of D1, so the hedging argument doesn't hold water. I think the closest it ever was, was like 4-2 ExO vs. you? That's off the top of my head considering there's no vote thread. I think your point would be more valid had there been a spirited, close vote for most of day one, before breaking ExO's way a few hours before the EoD, but that's not really how it happened.
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