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Rels
France13467 Posts
1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum. 2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ? 3 - Yep 100% agree. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 02 2016 00:41 Rels wrote: LS: 1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum. 2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ? 3 - Yep 100% agree. Promises he broke: On November 30 2016 22:30 Shapelog wrote: Urg. Not being able to play yesterday messed me up. Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter. I thought of something about SL last night however. I'm not terribly sure about it yet, and honestly, the evidence to support it is very very very bad. But in a previous mafia game (can't remember the name), I fake claimed mafia early into the game (was town). Scum!SL jumped on it, and pushed the fact that I could (due to my "eccrtice" past) be doing that as mafia to look fearless. He used it also to justify tunneling me for the day phase. Here, SL did not take that liberty. Instead, he just nodded and left it be, while trying to gain info (post about the discussion being bad between me and LS but townie) from what happens around it. He could of jumped on it if he was mafia (especially this time with my claim.) yet didn't. I know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)? He didn't really try to catch up or didn't show he really did as his last post was this: On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote: Also Onegu stole the way I catch up. Thief! That and the timing on some his promises into do something did happen but later than what he said he was going to do. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On December 02 2016 00:46 LightningStrike wrote: Promises he broke: He didn't really try to catch up or didn't show he really did as his last post was this: That and the timing on some his promises into do something did happen but later than what he said he was going to do. That's pretty good actually. It's not definite as something might have happened IRL for example, but I know I do this a lot as scum since it's a hjard task to lie all the time: promise I'll be active at some point, and not doing it when times comes, 'cause it's easier said than done. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Thinking about the game this morning I'm thinking the answer might be as easy as Shape/Ch8. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing what mafia was doing in the latter half of the day as NU became the lynch. Checkm8 is also reminding me a bit of foreman from last game, who was a newbie that rolled scum and gave up posting after a day when he realized he had no way to keep up. It's possible Onegu is scum but his posts right after the lynch seem fairly towns to me actually. He was more happy about his own filter length than having caught scum. I feel like scum would feel more pressure to fake being happy about the lynch. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 02 2016 01:23 Tictock wrote: Having internet issues at home so I'm better Nguyen forced to read and post via mobile. Means I won't be doing the filter dives of death and Shape that I wanted too. Thinking about the game this morning I'm thinking the answer might be as easy as Shape/Ch8. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing what mafia was doing in the latter half of the day as NU became the lynch. Checkm8 is also reminding me a bit of foreman from last game, who was a newbie that rolled scum and gave up posting after a day when he realized he had no way to keep up. It's possible Onegu is scum but his posts right after the lynch seem fairly towns to me actually. He was more happy about his own filter length than having caught scum. I feel like scum would feel more pressure to fake being happy about the lynch. I was thinking the same thing it would explain why scum had no presence at EoD to get votes off NU. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 02 2016 01:23 Tictock wrote: Having internet issues at home so I'm better Nguyen forced to read and post via mobile. Means I won't be doing the filter dives of death and Shape that I wanted too. Thinking about the game this morning I'm thinking the answer might be as easy as Shape/Ch8. Otherwise I have a hard time seeing what mafia was doing in the latter half of the day as NU became the lynch. Checkm8 is also reminding me a bit of foreman from last game, who was a newbie that rolled scum and gave up posting after a day when he realized he had no way to keep up. It's possible Onegu is scum but his posts right after the lynch seem fairly towns to me actually. He was more happy about his own filter length than having caught scum. I feel like scum would feel more pressure to fake being happy about the lynch. LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote: LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- You should do your filter dives anyways. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Too much infighting between people I am pretty sure are town. I liked Rels Spew post and I had the same thought about Emp earlier, though I think it is far less likely that they are scum buddies now. I'm not sure why I disagree with Kosi about SL. I can see where he is coming from but to me NU's case on SL just looks like he was reaching to make a scumread on anyone. Though if Shape turns out to be mafia I might put more weight on this as Shape made a weird town read on SL that looked pretty forced. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 02 2016 00:33 Holyflare wrote: Lol I really like the tmi thing. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/pMFmBkBTsDMOY/giphy.gif) | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote: LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- This would be a really sad game if that happens... Especially when it took over a month to get this game started. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote: LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- Let's not get ahead of our selves since there's a lot of tin-foil that could be out there. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Lynch through Shape,Ch8, SL. If that doesn't do it then there is mafia in darth/Onegu. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
To answer a few questions, namely the HF question about why I voted for him... I voted for you for a few reasons; it kinda bordered on policy lynch: you hadn't really done anything worth noting and I hate when people say like 14 times that they're lazy and can't be arsed to do anything; it isn't a town tell for me. I also voted with two of my town reads at the time who agreed with me. I've already explained why I believe this line of thinking to be smart, especially when you're not a strong town so to speak. This vote happened, iirc, before I was made aware of your meta and how you were too valuable to lynch D1, regardless of alignment. I have the same role in my IRL college mafia group as you do on here, so I understood the sentiment and backed off. Regarding my bad play EoD, here's what I was thinking: This NU train seems too easy. Everyone coalescing on one train-- no one really pushing another train. This included EC, who had cased TT pretty effectively IMO, posted about how he would get off NU if someone "pushed it", then didn't really follow my lead when I voted TT. I started to get very paranoid vibes; there were three non votes 30 min before dead which is basically the same as when scum park votes 6-10 hours before deadline and EC wasn't voting for the person I thought he should be voting for. I interpreted this to mean that town had gotten it wrong and that scum were perfectly happy having one lynch train that was wrong. I voted for TT following my unvote on HF partially because I thought at the time that TT had a decent chance of being mafia, and partially because I wanted to see whether my wagon for TT would gain any traction-- especially from the 3 non-voters who coincidentally came back just in time to vote for TT. Thought this could be beneficial to town regardless of NU's flip. Always think two wagons is preferred if possible. You can look at my other games. I always get really stressed about EoD1 because I'm shit at D1 and there was tons of activity. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On December 02 2016 02:05 Tictock wrote: Humm in my PoV this game is basically solvable just by PoE now. Lynch through Shape,Ch8, SL. If that doesn't do it then there is mafia in darth/Onegu. Ugh there was someone who was pressuring c8 that he completely neglected, and I was going to ask him about it, but I completely forgot who it was and couldn't find it any filters. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On December 02 2016 02:04 emperorchampion wrote: Let's not get ahead of our selves since there's a lot of tin-foil that could be out there. I am fully aware. But my last game, I died N1, but the game ended D2, because one scum went inactive and got modkilled, and the other one was an easylynch D2 without defending himself. I thought it can't be shorter. So I'm just tinfoiling a possibility how it can be shorter in this game. I don't think (and hope) this is gonna happen but while the idea is demotivating I still enjoy it, if you know what I mean :D | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him. That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4. The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 02 2016 02:12 emperorchampion wrote: Ugh there was someone who was pressuring c8 that he completely neglected, and I was going to ask him about it, but I completely forgot who it was and couldn't find it any filters. I was putting a bit of pressure on Cm8 EoD if that's what you're remembering | ||
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